knucklegary
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I fully agree.
I do Senior only shopping (you know those early in the morning reserved only for us.) We are respectful of our space, but when going in opposite directions of the isle, we are only inches apart. I hold my breath.
Maybe I'll write a note to the administration. Or tell the manager next time I am there.
Either way, passing in the opposite direction of overtaking, you're bound to find yourself in close quarters. I'm wearing a mask whenever I go the store.
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I have celiac disease. I have to read the labels. Anything with gluten can seriously mess me up. Companies are constantly changing recipes so I can't tell what will make me sick unless I look at a current label. I've made the mistake of assuming a product is is still gluten free before. Never again. Try to be patient with people reading the labels. For some of us, it it's absolutely essential.
I think we are almost to the point where essential services are going to be shut down for a time. Public transportation may be getting shut down in Los Angeles because they can't keep the bus drivers from getting infected or follow basic precautions. Amazon employees are getting sick. Truck drivers are having a harder time finding rest stops where they can get food, shower, and use the restrooms. More grocery store workers, first responders, doctors and nurses, etc. are getting sick. A desalinization plant providing 10% of San Diego's water has essential employees quarantined on site (not enough people with their skill set to replace them if they get sick). The CAISO, California Independent Systems Operator (they manage the power grid) has cancelled in person meetings through April. They have to communicate via the Internet. I've never seen so many critical systems dependent on the Internet and electricity before. It's scary that with most at home, we need the Internet for food and supplies, communication for critical system workers (water, electricity, Internet, food delivery, government function, communicating with our doctors, school, etc). With people hacking into Zoom feeds already, I wonder what critical systems they'll be able to hack into while we're all dependent on the Internet. How much worse will this get if our most dependent pillars of infrastructure at this time (electricity and Internet) collapse?
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It seems to me that you enjoy to be a "buzzkill"
Cuomo standardly gives is presentation at 11:00 AM EST. Exactly what time he gets his stats from one day to the next is unknown to us mere mortals. One may suspect that he gets them about the same time each day before his presentation. I would go with the numbers he gave at the time of his presentation, and see how they compare on the following day.
A few percentage points from one day to the next is not particularly significant. However when the previous days were multiples of that, THAT is significant.
I am not going to dwell on the minutia of the details, splitting of hairs, when the general trend is that things are topping off.
Are more people going to die! ? Absolutely! Are the numbers of dead going to increase?! Absolutely! With more testing, will the numbers of infected increase? YES! Will the numbers of those hospitalized increase? That depends upon a number of factors. Will the numbers of those who have been tested positive, recovered increase? Absolutely!
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To members of the rest of the country,
New York and then New Jersey, separated by a river, are/is the epicenter of this attack (by a virus). It is coming to you.
Overall, social distancing appears to have slowed its progress. Wherever you are in the country, you need to try to slow it there too.
I believe that our country was caught with its pants down. Apparently, not enough PPE, ventilators, or drugs, nor the ability to manufacture them quickly enough, so that we did not have to rely on, being able to obtain them from, other countries. Yeah we got 1,000 ventilators from Asia. Probably more to come. IMO, we should have the ability to produce them ourselves.
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We'll get through this, and we will be stronger, and better, overall.
Love your neighbor as you do yourself.
And... Buy American!
StarHalo
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You're replying to a post that literally says things are not topping off. So where does your optimistic hunch come from?
The science of soap – here's how it kills the coronavirus 3-12-20
Alcohol-based disinfectants are also effective, but soap is a highly efficient way of killing the virus when it's on your skin
Thu 12 Mar 2020 09.40 GMTLast modified on Wed 18 Mar 2020 10.56 GMT
Viruses can be active outside the body for hours, even days. Disinfectants, liquids, wipes, gels and creams containing alcohol are all useful at getting rid of them – but they are not quite as good as normal soap.
When I shared the information above using Twitter, it went viral. I think I have worked out why. Health authorities have been giving us two messages: once you have the virus there are no drugs that can kill it or help you get rid of it. But also, wash your hands to stop the virus spreading. This seems odd. You can't, even for a million dollars, get a drug for the coronavirus – but your grandmother's bar of soap kills the virus.
So why does soap work so well on the Sars-CoV-2, the coronavirus and indeed most viruses? The short story: because the virus is a self-assembled nanoparticle in which the weakest link is the lipid (fatty) bilayer. Soap dissolves the fat membrane and the virus falls apart like a house of cards and dies – or rather, we should say it becomes inactive as viruses aren't really alive.
The slightly longer story is that most viruses consist of three key building blocks: ribonucleic acid (RNA), proteins and lipids. A virus-infected cell makes lots of these building blocks, which then spontaneously self-assemble to form the virus. Critically, there are no strong covalent bonds holding these units together, which means you do not necessarily need harsh chemicals to split those units apart. When an infected cell dies, all these new viruses escape and go on to infect other cells. Some end up also in the airways of lungs.
You can't, for any price, get a drug for the coronavirus – but your grandmother's bar of soap kills it
When you cough, or especially when you sneeze, tiny droplets from the airways can fly up to 10 metres. The larger ones are thought to be the main coronavirus carriers and they can go at least two metres.
These tiny droplets end on surfaces and often dry out quickly. But the viruses remain active. Human skin is an ideal surface for a virus. It is "organic" and the proteins and fatty acids in the dead cells on the surface interact with the virus.
When you touch, say, a steel surface with a virus particle on it, it will stick to your skin and hence get transferred on to your hands. If you then touch your face, especially your eyes, nostrils or mouth, you can get infected. And it turns out that most people touch their face once every two to five minutes.
Washing the virus off with water alone might work. But water is not good at competing with the strong, glue-like interactions between the skin and the virus. Water isn't enough.
Soapy water is totally different. Soap contains fat-like substances known as amphiphiles, some of which are structurally very similar to the lipids in the virus membrane. The soap molecules "compete" with the lipids in the virus membrane. This is more or less how soap also removes normal dirt from the skin.
The soap not only loosens the "glue" between the virus and the skin but also the Velcro-like interactions that hold the proteins, lipids and RNA in the virus together.
Alcohol-based products, which pretty much includes all "disinfectant" products, contain a high-percentage alcohol solution (typically 60-80% ethanol) and kill viruses in a similar fashion. But soap is better because you only need a fairly small amount of soapy water, which, with rubbing, covers your entire hand easily. Whereas you need to literally soak the virus in ethanol for a brief moment, and wipes or rubbing a gel on the hands does not guarantee that you soak every corner of the skin on your hands effectively enough.
So, soap is the best, but do please use alcohol-based sanitiser when soap is not handy or practical.
• Pall Thordarson is a professor of chemistry at the University of New South Wales, Sydney
Alcohol-based disinfectants are also effective, but soap is a highly efficient way of killing the virus when it's on your skin
Thu 12 Mar 2020 09.40 GMTLast modified on Wed 18 Mar 2020 10.56 GMT
Viruses can be active outside the body for hours, even days. Disinfectants, liquids, wipes, gels and creams containing alcohol are all useful at getting rid of them – but they are not quite as good as normal soap.
When I shared the information above using Twitter, it went viral. I think I have worked out why. Health authorities have been giving us two messages: once you have the virus there are no drugs that can kill it or help you get rid of it. But also, wash your hands to stop the virus spreading. This seems odd. You can't, even for a million dollars, get a drug for the coronavirus – but your grandmother's bar of soap kills the virus.
So why does soap work so well on the Sars-CoV-2, the coronavirus and indeed most viruses? The short story: because the virus is a self-assembled nanoparticle in which the weakest link is the lipid (fatty) bilayer. Soap dissolves the fat membrane and the virus falls apart like a house of cards and dies – or rather, we should say it becomes inactive as viruses aren't really alive.
The slightly longer story is that most viruses consist of three key building blocks: ribonucleic acid (RNA), proteins and lipids. A virus-infected cell makes lots of these building blocks, which then spontaneously self-assemble to form the virus. Critically, there are no strong covalent bonds holding these units together, which means you do not necessarily need harsh chemicals to split those units apart. When an infected cell dies, all these new viruses escape and go on to infect other cells. Some end up also in the airways of lungs.
You can't, for any price, get a drug for the coronavirus – but your grandmother's bar of soap kills it
When you cough, or especially when you sneeze, tiny droplets from the airways can fly up to 10 metres. The larger ones are thought to be the main coronavirus carriers and they can go at least two metres.
These tiny droplets end on surfaces and often dry out quickly. But the viruses remain active. Human skin is an ideal surface for a virus. It is "organic" and the proteins and fatty acids in the dead cells on the surface interact with the virus.
When you touch, say, a steel surface with a virus particle on it, it will stick to your skin and hence get transferred on to your hands. If you then touch your face, especially your eyes, nostrils or mouth, you can get infected. And it turns out that most people touch their face once every two to five minutes.
Washing the virus off with water alone might work. But water is not good at competing with the strong, glue-like interactions between the skin and the virus. Water isn't enough.
Soapy water is totally different. Soap contains fat-like substances known as amphiphiles, some of which are structurally very similar to the lipids in the virus membrane. The soap molecules "compete" with the lipids in the virus membrane. This is more or less how soap also removes normal dirt from the skin.
The soap not only loosens the "glue" between the virus and the skin but also the Velcro-like interactions that hold the proteins, lipids and RNA in the virus together.
Alcohol-based products, which pretty much includes all "disinfectant" products, contain a high-percentage alcohol solution (typically 60-80% ethanol) and kill viruses in a similar fashion. But soap is better because you only need a fairly small amount of soapy water, which, with rubbing, covers your entire hand easily. Whereas you need to literally soak the virus in ethanol for a brief moment, and wipes or rubbing a gel on the hands does not guarantee that you soak every corner of the skin on your hands effectively enough.
So, soap is the best, but do please use alcohol-based sanitiser when soap is not handy or practical.
• Pall Thordarson is a professor of chemistry at the University of New South Wales, Sydney
Hey brother in the flashlight world I still respect you.
My HUNCH! I wish you and I were face to face to see if you would speak to me in that manner.
i google cuomo daily update
RedLED
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Say, I was wondering something...has any one here tested positive for the COVID-19? Do we know of anyone?
StarHalo
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My response isn't any sort of challenge or chest-pounding; it comes off as strange that the entire page displayed is dealing with the reality of the numbers and how we deal with this new day to day life, then inevitably someone posts that things have probably already turned around and everything's fine and nothing to see here - I don't understand where these people are coming from, I know for certain what numbers I've seen in the press, what I've had to deal with at my job in person, how others are having difficulty in this time, but somehow there's a select group who feel it's best to just not prepare, that it would be easier to forward an educated guess about what the current statistics are and proceed from there with rose-colored glasses. I don't get it. I would ask you this question in person.
Has anyone tested? Any leads on where such a thing might be an option?
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knucklegary
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As of right now I think Star is feeling a lil sick to his stomach?
My daughter tested negative last week, and her fever lowered, and then increased. What does that mean? NO one knows.
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I think this whole covid thing is way blown out of proportion. Everytime I ran out I make it a point to ask a couple people if they know anyone who has it, or if anyone they know, know anyone who has it. And all the answers so far have been"I don't know anyone, and no one I know, knows anyone who has covid" I'm not saying it's fake, in just saying we are being lied to on a gigantic level.
Kestrel
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My ex- had it in February, and she was the sickest she had been in her life; to the point of thinking she was actually going to die. So there's that.
bigburly912
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2 people in my town have tested positive and were exposed to several others. I know one person with it. Yes, it's real. If it's in my town in the furthest corner of the coal fields of Virginia where the average salary is around 20000 dollars and I have less people in my entire county than you do in your town, then I guarantee it's coming to you. I'd say it is about to explode here. You've got 2 stores to choose from and most of the older folk don't want to "drive the extra 5 minutes" to the much larger town down the road to do their shopping. We shall see.
StarHalo
Flashaholic
Feeling really serene right now, we discussed my weekend plans many posts ago and I gotta say it was a good weekend. I also had a persistent dry cough a couple weeks ago that hung around for a few days and then that was it, so I wouldn't be surprised if I'm antigenic/already had it.
bigburly912
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There's an ignore option on this forum. Makes it a pleasant place.
knucklegary
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I may have some antigens floating around from SARs in 2004, but IDK.. VA hospital never tested me for the virus. Doc just told me go home take aspirin for fever and drink plenty of agua
22 folks tested pos in my County of 200,000.. we'll see what the numbers looks like by end of Apr
22 folks tested pos in my County of 200,000.. we'll see what the numbers looks like by end of Apr
ven
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Obviously not US side, UK side yes 2. Older, Bob is 70 and had a persistent cough for 3 maybe 4 weeks. He tested positive and so did his wife.
We have daily screening in work, masks, any cough or alike it's off work and isolate . Even a sniffle!!! 1 in toilets, 1 in Vape area, one way in, other way out where possible.
Boris J moved to hospital , now in intensive care!!!
Stay safe guys and gals.
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