Need help with thrower selection

ShannonL

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Longtime lurker/learner but overwhelmed by all the choices out there. I want to buy right the first time. Anyway, my job involves culvert and bridge inspections. The culvert inspection part involves looking into 1 to 8 foot diameter metal tubes and concrete boxes up to 50 feet long. I don't intend on using this for close up work so I don't think there is such a thing as "too bright" in this application. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks in advance for the help.
Shannon



1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?

____I would like to purchase the light in person from a brick and mortar store. I am located in ______________.
__X__This will be mail-order or Online (location doesn't matter).


2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :)

____I don't know yet
____Up to $25.
____Up to $50.
__X__Up to $100.
____Up to $200.
____Up to $300.
____Essentially unlimited.


3) Format:

____I am not sure, please help me decide.
__X__I want a flashlight (hand held/self contained).
____I want a self-contained headlamp.
____I want a headlamp with an external pack/power source.
____I want a mounted light (typically for a bicycle or vehicle)
____I want a lantern/area light.
____I want a portable spotlight (it may have an external power source).
____Other ____________________________________________


4) Size:

____MICRO - Keychain size.
____TINY - Every day carry (2-4 inches).
__X__SMALL - Every day carry (4-7 inches).
__X__MEDIUM - Holster/belt ring carry. (>7 inches)
____LARGE - Big enough to need its own travel case.
____I don't know/I don't care.


5) Emitter/Light source:

__X__LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
____Incandescent (known for superior color rendition)
____HID (known for max output, but often at the expense of size)
____I don't know.


6) Manufacturer:

_X___I want to buy a light from a large/traditional manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
____I would like a light from a specialty manufacturer (Possibly limited run/Custom).
____I am interested in assembling my own components. (for example a "host" or flashlight body from one manufacturer, and a "drop-in" emitter from another source).


7) What power source do you want to use?

____I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Alkaline batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
____I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Lithium batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D and CR123 sized cells common to most stores (often a cold weather or long storage choice).
____I intend to use Rechargeable cells (NiMH or NiCD) based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
__X__I intend to use Rechargeable cells based on less common formats (18500 or 18650 Li-Ion, RCR123, et-al).
__X__I want a light with an integrated rechargeable battery pack.
____I don't know/I need more information on power sources.

7a) If you have selected a rechargeable option
____I want a light that plugs directly into the wall (literally with prongs built into the light)
____I want a light that has a recharging adapter (your typical "wall wart")
____I want a light that snaps into a cradle (usually mounted on a wall)
____I want a separate/stand-alone charger (this involves removing the batteries to charge)
__X__I don't care


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is not a happy experience).

____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (1-10 lumens).
____I want an indoor "blackout" light (15-50 lumens)
____I want to confidently walk around an unlit/unpaved rural area (60-150 lumens).
____I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
__X__I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
____I want search and rescue type illumination (800+ lumens).

____SPECIAL NOTE: Burst/Turbo mode Category - There are several lights that will run at a super bright maximum for a very limited period (usually 5-10 minutes) and then will "step-down" to a lower level for thermal control. Check here if this is acceptable.


9) Flood vs Throw: Flood covers an area, Throw reaches out to a distance.

____All Flood: I am doing "arms length" tasks like reading and campsite cooking.
____Wide Flood: I want a defined flood area for semi-close tasks like after-dark campsite tasks or working on a car.
____Narrow Flood: I want a sharply defined flood area that will project some distance for tasks like trail walking.
__X__Wide Throw: I want a beam with a noticeable hot-center for distance throw and a significant amount of "side-spill". Good for rough trail hiking, search and rescue, and general distance work.
__X__Narrow Throw: I want a beam with a very tight "hot center" and minimal "side-spill". Good for distance viewing, fog, and looking through dense undergrowth.
____Turbohead: I want a far-distance projector with a sharply focused spot of light and minimal or zero side-spill. Good for extreme distance and impressing your friends.

9a) Distance: How far away will you typically need to see with this light (check all that apply)
____Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
____Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
____5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
____30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
__X__50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
____150+ yards (I am searching from a helicopter)

10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum continuous output).

__X__Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
__X_30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
____90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
____3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).




11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A "night-stand" light).
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
__X__Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
____Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
____I don't know.


12) Switch Size, Type, and location (choose all that apply):

____Any size switch will do.
____I need a BIG switch (I'll be using gloves or have very large hands or coordination issues).
____I want a forward clicky (Helpful for momentary activation and signaling).
____I want a reverse clicky (For use with multi-mode/level lights).
____I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
____I want a twisty switch (Tighten the head/tailcap to activate, and the light will stay on until the head/tailcap is loosened).
____I want a body mounted switch (near the head, like on a Maglite).
____I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today's high end lights).
____I want a remote switch (usually found on high-end bicycle headlights)
_X__I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________________.


13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

_X__A simple on-off with only one output level is fine for me.
____I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a programmable light.
____I want a selector ring.
____I want a strobe mode. (Oscillating pattern to confuse/blind aka "Police Mode")
____I want SOS mode. (blinks in ---...--- emergency pattern)
____I want a beacon mode. (Regular flashes at full power to show location.)
____I don't care.
____I don't know.


14)Material/Finish/Coating

____Plastic/composite body (this may limit your choices significantly).
____Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today's higher end flashlights).
____Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)
____Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
_X__I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________.

15) Water resistance
____None needed
__X_IPX4 (Splash resistant)
____IPX7 (Waterproof to 1 meter/30min)
____IPX8 (Submersible to greater than 1 meter for 4 hours)

16) Storage conditions
____In house (temperature/climate controlled environment)
____Emergency kit (long standby periods)
_X__Automobile glove-box (wide temperature swings, long standby periods, critical reliability)
____Other_________________________________________ ____


17) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any/all below.

____Red filter (for preserving night vision).
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
____"Hybrid" light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Pocket/belt clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Crenulated bezel
____Non-sparking, Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
 

ShannonL

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After a week and 150 views and no replies, am I asking too hard a question here?

Shannon
 

archimedes

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Sorry, just noticed this ... Malkoff Hound Dog :)

A new one would be over that budget, but they do show up used here fairly regularly.

Given your requested lumen output and beam shape, you probably would prefer the "standard" to the Super, and older versions would likely serve you just fine (as well as being less expensive, if you buy second-hand)
 
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ShannonL

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Thanks for the reply Archimedes. Maybe I'm asking for more lumens than I need. How many lumens does it take to light up an 18 inch x 60 foot pitch black hole and see the other end?

Maybe my specifications are too restrictive. Flood vs throw, power supply, size... I'm open to whatever it takes to get a light that does the job.

Does that open up the options?

Thanks
Shannon
 

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Thanks for the reply Archimedes. Maybe I'm asking for more lumens than I need. How many lumens does it take to light up an 18 inch x 60 foot pitch black hole and see the other end?

Maybe my specifications are too restrictive. Flood vs throw, power supply, size... I'm open to whatever it takes to get a light that does the job.

Does that open up the options?

Thanks
Shannon
You don't need lots of lumens for distance... you just need the right beam pattern.

As a work light, the suggested malkoff is built tough like a tank.

Marking both wide and narrow, and saying down a pipe and a whole field, are a bit opposite. For pipe use, you want something with a focused beam so you don't get too much light bounce back from the first 10 ft of pipe, obscuring your ability to see the next 50. Any light that can light up a field will be too floody for a pipe. You want more throw.

Saying you'll get glove box style temp swings, you'll want something that runs off cr123a primaries. These lithium primaries can take the hot and cold better than rechargeables.

If you can take care of the light and lots of tall drops aren't likely, there are lots of small throwers that'd fit your size preferences... Acebeam EC60, various Nitecore GTmodels, Olight UT models... and if you really want to eliminate light outside the hotspot, even an aspheric lens light would work.

IMO it's tough to give a single recommendation due to the wide range of preferences.
 

dmattaponi

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I agree with the comments above, that some of the selections on the checklist seem a little conflicting. That being the case, I would suggest you take a look at something like the Thrunite TN4A. It uses AA batteries, but otherwise, I think it would be a good balance for the things you mention above. It has a nice wide flood, but still is a decent thrower. It also meets most of the other criteria you list above. It is a very good all purpose light IMO, and you can use rechargeable AA if you want, or lithium AA if you want to leave it stored in a glovebox.
 

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My option would be Eagtac SX30C2:
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It has a Nichia 219C version if you care about proper color rendition. Less power, but more true color (CRI92). If you prefer sheer power there is a XHP35 HD version with 2000lm LED, 1604lm ANSI FL-1 performance. It is small, pocketable, has a 2xCR123a option with a battery holder to avoid cell rattle. And it has unexpectedly good throw for its size.
 
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ShannonL

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You don't need lots of lumens for distance... you just need the right beam pattern.

As a work light, the suggested malkoff is built tough like a tank.

Marking both wide and narrow, and saying down a pipe and a whole field, are a bit opposite. For pipe use, you want something with a focused beam so you don't get too much light bounce back from the first 10 ft of pipe, obscuring your ability to see the next 50. Any light that can light up a field will be too floody for a pipe. You want more throw.

Yes, the "lighting up the field" was a fixed choice but what I should have conveyed is I want plenty of light. I definitely neeed a more focused beam.

Saying you'll get glove box style temp swings, you'll want something that runs off cr123a primaries. These lithium primaries can take the hot and cold better than rechargeables.

It really needs to live in the truck. Sometimes get called to check a culvert while I'm out doing something else. Don't really want to pack this thing around EVERY time I'm in and out of the office.

If you can take care of the light and lots of tall drops aren't likely, there are lots of small throwers that'd fit your size preferences... Acebeam EC60, various Nitecore GTmodels, Olight UT models... and if you really want to eliminate light outside the hotspot, even an aspheric lens light would work.

I would say 4 feet would be the longest possible drop.

IMO it's tough to give a single recommendation due to the wide range of preferences.

Thanks for trying though.
 

ShannonL

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I agree with the comments above, that some of the selections on the checklist seem a little conflicting. That being the case, I would suggest you take a look at something like the Thrunite TN4A. It uses AA batteries, but otherwise, I think it would be a good balance for the things you mention above. It has a nice wide flood, but still is a decent thrower. It also meets most of the other criteria you list above. It is a very good all purpose light IMO, and you can use rechargeable AA if you want, or lithium AA if you want to leave it stored in a glovebox.

What would your recommendation be if I took the flood part out and focused on it being a thrower?
 

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Yes. I'm leery of buying used. Plus I have to buy 2 of them and now we are roughly double the budget.

Understood on the price issue, especially if the budget is fixed, but perhaps I can reassure you a bit on the concern about trusting a used version.

Malkoff are tough as nails. I have purchased both new and used, and personally have absolutely no worries about my secondhand Malkoffs, in terms of reliability and function.

Any cosmetic damage, surface scratches and such, would be the primary difference.
 
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