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Utefan

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==================Flashlight Recommendation Checklist================

1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?

____I would like to purchase the light in person from a brick and mortar store. I am located in ______________.
__X__This will be mail-order or Online (location doesn't matter).


2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :)

____I don't know yet
____Up to $25.
____Up to $50.
____Up to $100.
____Up to $200.
__X__Up to $300.
____Essentially unlimited.


3) Format:

____I am not sure, please help me decide.
__X__I want a flashlight (hand held/self contained).
____I want a self-contained headlamp.
____I want a headlamp with an external pack/power source.
____I want a mounted light (typically for a bicycle or vehicle)
____I want a lantern/area light.
____I want a portable spotlight (it may have an external power source).
____Other ____________________________________________


4) Size:

____MICRO - Keychain size.
____TINY - Every day carry (2-4 inches).
___X_SMALL - Every day carry (4-7 inches).
__X__MEDIUM - Holster/belt ring carry. (>7 inches)
____LARGE - Big enough to need its own travel case.
____I don't know/I don't care.


5) Emitter/Light source:

__X__LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
____Incandescent (known for superior color rendition)
____HID (known for max output, but often at the expense of size)
____I don't know.


6) Manufacturer:

___X_I want to buy a light from a large/traditional manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
__X__I would like a light from a specialty manufacturer (Possibly limited run/Custom).
____I am interested in assembling my own components. (for example a "host" or flashlight body from one manufacturer, and a "drop-in" emitter from another source).


7) What power source do you want to use?

____I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Alkaline batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
____I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Lithium batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D and CR123 sized cells common to most stores (often a cold weather or long storage choice).
____I intend to use Rechargeable cells (NiMH or NiCD) based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
__X__I intend to use Rechargeable cells based on less common formats (18500 or 18650 Li-Ion, RCR123, et-al).
____I want a light with an integrated rechargeable battery pack.
____I don't know/I need more information on power sources.

7a) If you have selected a rechargeable option
____I want a light that plugs directly into the wall (literally with prongs built into the light)
_X___I want a light that has a recharging adapter (your typical "wall wart")
__X__I want a light that snaps into a cradle (usually mounted on a wall)
____I want a separate/stand-alone charger (this involves removing the batteries to charge)
____I don't care


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is not a happy experience).

____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (1-10 lumens).
____I want an indoor "blackout" light (15-50 lumens)
____I want to confidently walk around an unlit/unpaved rural area (60-150 lumens).
____I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
____I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
_X___I want search and rescue type illumination (800+ lumens).

_X___SPECIAL NOTE: Burst/Turbo mode Category - There are several lights that will run at a super bright maximum for a very limited period (usually 5-10 minutes) and then will "step-down" to a lower level for thermal control. Check here if this is acceptable.


9) Flood vs Throw: Flood covers an area, Throw reaches out to a distance.

____All Flood: I am doing "arms length" tasks like reading and campsite cooking.
____Wide Flood: I want a defined flood area for semi-close tasks like after-dark campsite tasks or working on a car.
____Narrow Flood: I want a sharply defined flood area that will project some distance for tasks like trail walking.
__X__Wide Throw: I want a beam with a noticeable hot-center for distance throw and a significant amount of "side-spill". Good for rough trail hiking, search and rescue, and general distance work.
____Narrow Throw: I want a beam with a very tight "hot center" and minimal "side-spill". Good for distance viewing, fog, and looking through dense undergrowth.
____Turbohead: I want a far-distance projector with a sharply focused spot of light and minimal or zero side-spill. Good for extreme distance and impressing your friends.

9a) Distance: How far away will you typically need to see with this light (check all that apply)
____Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
____Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
____5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
__X__30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
____50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
____150+ yards (I am searching from a helicopter)

10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum continuous output).

____Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
____30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
____90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
_X___3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).




11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A "night-stand" light).
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
__X__Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
____I don't know.


12) Switch Size, Type, and location (choose all that apply):

____Any size switch will do.
____I need a BIG switch (I'll be using gloves or have very large hands or coordination issues).
____I want a forward clicky (Helpful for momentary activation and signaling).
____I want a reverse clicky (For use with multi-mode/level lights).
____I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
____I want a twisty switch (Tighten the head/tailcap to activate, and the light will stay on until the head/tailcap is loosened).
____I want a body mounted switch (near the head, like on a Maglite).
_x__I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today's high end lights).
____I want a remote switch (usually found on high-end bicycle headlights)
____I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________________.


13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

____A simple on-off with only one output level is fine for me.
__X__I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a programmable light.
____I want a selector ring.
____I want a strobe mode. (Oscillating pattern to confuse/blind aka "Police Mode")
____I want SOS mode. (blinks in ...---... emergency pattern)
____I want a beacon mode. (Regular flashes at full power to show location.)
____I don't care.
____I don't know.


14)Material/Finish/Coating

____Plastic/composite body (this may limit your choices significantly).
__X__Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today's higher end flashlights).
__X__Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)
____Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
____I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________.

15) Water resistance
____None needed
____IPX4 (Splash resistant)
__X__IPX7 (Waterproof to 1 meter/30min)
____IPX8 (Submersible to greater than 1 meter for 4 hours)

16) Storage conditions
____In house (temperature/climate controlled environment)
____Emergency kit (long standby periods)
__X__Automobile glove-box (wide temperature swings, long standby periods, critical reliability)
____Other_________________________________________ ____


17) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any/all below.

____Red filter (for preserving night vision).
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
____"Hybrid" light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Pocket/belt clip
_X___Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Crenulated bezel
____Non-sparking, Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments

I want a durable holster for a duty belt.


I've carried a Klarus XT-11 for a long time...Still love the light, but i'm also interested in branching out as to other options as well as finding a holster for the Klarus to become a backup light. Any recommendations are greatly appreciated!
 

peter yetman

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Malkoff 18650 Hound Dog seems to tick all your boxes.
I don't know much about holsters, but someone else will.
If the Hound Dog head is too big Gene makes anumber of smaller throw heads which may fit in a holster.
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vadimax

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Malkoff 18650 Hound Dog seems to tick all your boxes.I don't know much about holsters, but someone else will.If the Hound Dog head is too big Gene makes anumber of smaller throw heads which may fit in a holster.P
Malkoff is not a rechargeable light, its batteries are rechargeable. It should be a patrol, not flashaholic's torch :)

But with 3h on max... this light will be anything, but small :)
 
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Utefan

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The hound dog definitely keeps popping up. Is the Head to big for duty belt wear? I'd like to keep it and maximize it's potential if I could get away with it. I love on the klarus the rechargeable USB feature, but having an on board charger isn't an absolute must, I just love the convenience. I do have several 18650 batteries with a great charger already. Any input is greatly appreciated.
 

mckeand13

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The Malkoff Hound Dog family of lights are fantastic. I've got an XM-L2 version and love it for a backyard (and quite general purpose too) light.

A couple issues I see regarding your application and the use of a Hound Dog.

The XM-L2 version will just shut off once it gets below a certain low voltage. That leaves you in the dark, and while on patrol I would think that is unacceptable. The XM-L2 version with 2x18650's will give you a pretty decent runtime though.

The 18650 Hound Dog will taper it's output until the cell's low voltage limit. This would give you diminishing light to a certain point which would be good. This version, the 18650 Hound Dog, starts it's diminishing taper almost right away. The problem with this one is capacity. 1x18650 is only going to get you so much run time.

I would highly suggest looking at the M91B in an MD4 body. Smaller head would be more carry friendly. The M91's throw very nicely and it would have the longest runtime of the bunch. A hi/low ring gets you the 2 speed you're looking for. The only issue I see here is that it shuts down at a low voltage leaving you in the dark.

I would also suggest calling Malkoff and speaking with Gene. Great guy, very helpful, and maybe he can help you narrow in on a particular product.

http://flashlightguide.com/2014/04/review-malkoff-hound-dog-v3/

http://flashlightguide.com/2016/09/review-malkoff-hound-dog-18650/

http://flashlightguide.com/2014/09/review-malkoff-m91b-led-drop/

If you've exhausted the Malkoff products, check out Elzetta Bravo and Charlie lights. I'm not their biggest fan, but it's worth you knowing about.
 

bykfixer

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Except for the 800+ lumen part a Coast HP7R would check most of the boxes. Being a zoomie it can become quite the thrower competing with much brighter lights yet can be zoom'd out to spread light out as necessary.

Edit:
Seems they have a 760 lumen 8R now.
 
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peter yetman

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The XM-L2 version will just shut off once it gets below a certain low voltage. That leaves you in the dark, and while on patrol I would think that is unacceptable. The XM-L2 version with 2x18650's will give you a pretty decent runtime though.
Not wanting to be contentious, but I'd check with Gene about the cutoff. From the graph on Flashlightguide.com it looks like (and Jim more or less says) that it's the cells' protection circuit that's cutting the power, not the light. You can see that on Primaries, the light just slowly tapers off.
HD graph.jpg


Use it with IMRs and you're OK.
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Utefan

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Thank you guys for the response. I wouldn't object to a killer light that shuts down suddenly to be honest as long as I had some preemptive warning that it's going to happen so I can swap to a back up battery or light, especially when that backup is the xt-11! I'll look into the hound dog and m91 and see where it takes me. Any other recommendations, keep them coming.

Bykfixer, I've used a coast light before. Wasn't bad, but my klarus whooped it pretty good and I never looked back. Thank you for the recommendation though!
 

iamlucky13

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26650 lights will give you a step up in runtime from the XT-11 without too much extra size.

The Olight R50 is available with a magnetic tailcap charger.

The Acebeam EC50II (more floody) and EC60 (more throwy) use a micro-USB charging port.

These all use electronic side buttons. They're not really tactical-style lights.
 

arKmm

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Streamlight Stinger DS HL.

The latest version of a torch that's been a long time favourite of law enforcement. Belt carriable, easy to tuck under the arm for when you're writing, rechargeable in a dock, bright enough for almost anything, has low power and strobe too, controlled by a simple interface. Switch on the tail as well as the side. Beam pattern designed for good situational awareness with enough spill that you don't get tunnel vision but at the same time has enough throw for most situations. US manufactured, warrantied, well made. Variety of belt holsters on the market for any carriage style.

Yes there's brighter, yes there's more advanced, but this does the job and it does it well.
 

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