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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
Hm...my Tri-lux V will burn you if left on for more than 10 min on hi (1000ma), but it produces a whole lot of light. 
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
Sorry.. couldn't stay away.. had to see where this goes...
[QUOTE=yekim]This page says it has 1420 lumen.QUOTE]
On one of their pages they mention a taillight producing 420 lumens.. so in combination with the 1000 lumen light that brings 1420 lumens...
But they already made fools of themselves if you ask me.. I've seen many exaggerated claims in the torch-world.. But this... What can I say... It deserves an oscar for MOST EXAGGERATED TORCH-CLAIMS.
So.. yes I'd better run away...
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
I think it's bunk... 1000 lumens.. 
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
I tested one a few weeks ago. It really is bright--totally blows away my SF M6! I left it on for 1 hour and there was no noticeable dimming but it did get warm. I had to send it back but i definitly want to get one.
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Quote from wiseled.com:
"Tactical – power in your hand Wiseled Tactical is by far the most powerful handheld flashlight in the world – a stunning 1000 LUMEN (up to 1420 with extra 3LED) literally turns night into day."
1420 lumens 
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... I think their claims are embelished a bit to say the least. 10hrs of runtime off a single charge? Hmm.. at 1000lumens...Hmmm Wow!!
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I think what they meant to say was "When this baby hits 88 mph, you're going to see some serious shit." 
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
1000 Lumen @ 20°C is possible. Maybe its has a thermal protection like a gatlight.
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
Their statements are full of contradictions, IMO crap.
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08-18-2006, 02:27 PM
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
Look good at the specs. It shows only a 4 or 5 degree beam. That's pretty dang narrow.
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
Im sorry, but I was just browsing around on CPF since I havent done so fo a few months. I think some of you are harsh. The flashlight seems bogus by the numbers, but I think they messed up in just two areas.
First of all, I think they seriously messed up with the wattage numbers. The reseller probably doesnt know anything about electronics, so he probably carried the decimal over or something (poorly printed or faxed specs?). They probably didnt get actual measurements of the flashlight itself, just the combined specs of all seven of the emitters. The 23.3W ("233W") mark is very realistic. That is 3.33W per emitter. Hmmm... 3.3W Those look familiar. Some say that powering you LuxV at those levels (or something) will just fry them. Well look at the new LED that Lumileds came out (not really new, and still not publicly released). The K2. They use 3.4W at the typical voltage at 1A. Those LEDs arent run hard at all! If they were, they could take the abuse! So, 3.3W X 7 for the mail flashlight is 23W.
The 40W ("400W") strobe is alright. That comes down to 5.71W per LED. That looks like the K2 driven at 1500mA! They are using K2's driven at 1000mA for normal operation (to sort of keep down on heat), then flash them at 1500mA for the "non lethal weapon" strobe effect. Hmmm... Its getting clearer.
The other side of the problem is the lumens measurements. 1000lm is fairly impossible out of 7 K2's driven at 1000mA (so far - yet). That means 140lm per emitter. No way at 1A. Maybe at 1.5A. They would have to be using better than V-binned K2's (explaining the high cost). Maybe they are using cheap chinese knockoffs. Sort of like the Golsten-like flashlights on eBay (which I wouldnt trust, possibly).
The 1420lm figure is with the tailcap light "taillight". It has three of the same LEDs (140lm each). They just added all 10 of the LEDs (even if they arent pointing in the same direction).
I suppose if they use the K2's generic "140lm per emitter" figure from specs and apply that to the total brightness, that would be more clear (although that is the spec to the higher drive level). It is like saying I have a "120lm LuxeonV", a "80lm LuxeonIII", or a "45lm 1-Watt Luxeon". When cheap flashlight makers (or stupid copy-cat flashlight makers) make their flashlights, they always tell them these basic, generic figures (the average figures). They dont tell the consumer about the light decrease as the temp rises, or that they used the cheap-binned LEDs that they got in bulk or were sold to them cheaply.
I know that there are several factors affecting the whether or not this Wiseland flashlight is believable or not, but the flashlight cant be totally bogus. They use the wrong figures, translated the numbers wrong, then over-priced the sucker, thats all.
The only reason that I am doing this is that some of you seemed to have a blind rage or hate towards the company just because of the way the product looked and by how everyone else on this thread was slamming the product. I am not backing the company, nor any other reseller. I would never buy one myself, but I wouldnt mind testing and reviewing it (who wouldnt?  ). I just think that when you would get the flashlight after buying it, it shouldnt be a shiny hollow piece of aluminum with a few nuts and bolt and some dead mice sitting in it (imagine the noise it would make if you shook it -and never open the cap to change batteries   ). It should function like advertised (for the most part -minus the brighness) and throw a whole bunch of light without burning your hands instantly or frying the batteries.
Again sorry if I have to ruin the dissing fun in this thread. I just wanted to decribe my own findings and opinions. Feel free to comment back.
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08-18-2006, 02:35 PM
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
Perhaps the person who wrote the copy got their training from writing ads for eBay sellers?  You don't suppose the vendor meant candlepower rather than lumen do you?
The site appears to originate in Denmark. Are there some different standards in that country regarding the veracity of advertising claims?
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I tested one a few weeks ago. It really is bright--totally blows away my SF M6! I left it on for 1 hour and there was no noticeable dimming but it did get warm. I had to send it back but i definitly want to get one.
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okay, what LED's did it use, batterys, ect.
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dont forget $64 for shipping...
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
I can explain everything- Brighteyez says it comes from Denmark, so, logical!y, their lumens are just smaller. You never know- maybe the M6 is actually 4000lm.
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
If something is too good to be true... it usually is!
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Im sorry, but I was just browsing around on CPF since I havent done so fo a few months. I think some of you are harsh.
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Harsh? Naw, we're just having a bit of light hearted fun.
It's not everyday we see a nice looking website with such out of line product claims.
When one finally does come along it's worth more than a few 
Hopefully, the people making those lights will search out a few honest reviewers and sent some of those models out for testing.
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
Based on the watt-hours of the batteries, the number of LEDs, and the burn times given on their website, it appears that the single LED light are be driven at approximately 6.5 watts and the multiple LED lights are driven at approximately 4.5 watts per LED.
What is the lumen output of a LUX III driven at 4.5 watts?
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
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[QUOTE=Ra]Sorry.. couldn't stay away.. had to see where this goes...
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This page says it has 1420 lumen.QUOTE]
On one of their pages they mention a taillight producing 420 lumens.. so in combination with the 1000 lumen light that brings 1420 lumens...
But they already made fools of themselves if you ask me.. I've seen many exaggerated claims in the torch-world.. But this... What can I say... It deserves an oscar for MOST EXAGGERATED TORCH-CLAIMS.
So.. yes I'd better run away...
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MOST EXAGGERATED TORCH-CLAIMS would still lie on this ebay light
http://ledmuseum.candlepower.us/fourth/10klm.htm
ahem
http://cgi.ebay.com/3-10-000-LUMENS-...QQcmdZViewItem
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
[QUOTE=Illum_the_nation] the company
that's not the only lie in that feeBay image...   That's not your mother!!... Its a man, baby~! 
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
Humor me. It is possible to get 1k lumens out of 7 K2's. Lumileds does claim 140l per emiter. the light could only be on for a few seconds, but it's possible.
Im just curious about a battery that can run "230 watts". You could have a lightweight camping hairdryer 
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
http://www.wiseled.com/index.aspx?articleid=+928+928
420 Lumen (90 watt) light output * Charges in 60 minutes
their whole site is full of it!
looks like 3 leds thats 30watt each...
wooo... 1400 something lumens.... :\
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
hmm maybe I should drive by and borrow a few, half an hour away...
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
You need 25 x 18650, or 2 x 12V-9AH SLA, or 18 x NiMH 1.2V-10AH D Size batteries to make 230 Watt/hour.
That capacity equates to 1 Kg. (1 Kg = 2 Pounds - moreorless) of Li-Ion, 5 Kg. of SLA, or 3 Kg. of NiMH.
By knowing the size of the subject flashlight, the chemistry of the battery, and its runtime and weight, some close calculation of the real lumen output can be inferred.
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Hey boys, stop to speculate!
I have contact with the guys that desiged their optics and what I can say for sure that are no OSTAR LEDs. They definitly use a single point emitter like K2 or Cree.
In one point youre right - the lumen and watt are crab, but that´s normal buiseness with diving lamps. What they mean is wattage comparable to halogen watt - not the true power consum!! 233W in a touchlight.. grpff
The problem is every manufacture make it own comparison to hallogen light so that 3W LED power simply gets 20W hallogen light.... well bullshit of cause. Keep in mind a 20W hallogen has 400-500 lumen and 50W has around 1400 lumen.
even the 1000 lumen will be maximum ratings on paper - nothing else. I´m sure they "forget" the lumen lost in the optics. Nevertheless I think the optics are very good, but relativly small over all so they wil have around 80% efficency
What you need is a beam shootout with some lux measures...
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They use the wrong figures, translated the numbers wrong, then over-priced the sucker, thats all.
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That's all? For such a high end product, isn't that enough to warrant substantial criticism?
It's not a $5 Chinese flashlight, but 100 times that expensive. They are marketed for professional and mission-critical use. There's a natural expectation of competency, accuracy and attention to detail -- in both product and advertising -- for any similar high end product, not just flashlights.
If they can't manage to put accurate technical info on their web site, that doesn't reflect well on the quality of the light or credibility of the company.
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Sounds like someone should start a new thread on MOST EXAGGERATED TORCH-CLAIMS...but this thread itself proves as an example for that  ....we'll let this drift on
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Re: 1000 Lumen LED flashlight
"POORLY PRINTED".. GRYLOC ????
Everywhere you go on their site the same exaggerations show up, even with their smaller lights !!
That simply doen't sound like missprint to me !!
We're talking about the part of the specs the make a flashlight here...
Do you really think they didn't think this through before making this stuff known to the world !!
Take the info LEDninja posted: For example the K2 stunner: 8 powerled's with a massive heatsink producing 800+ lumens at 13,000 beam candlepower..
THOSE ARE SPECS I WOULD BELEVE !!
OK.. 1000 lumens with 7 led's is possible, for a short time perhaps...
But they also claim 1 lux at 900 feet... THATS ABOUT 90,000 BEAM CANDLEPOWER !!
With the best halogen bulb you'll still need a 4 inch reflector for that !!
My guess is you'll need at least a 7 inch reflector when you want to do this with led's !!
Its not just one or two things that not add up here.. its the whole pakkage !!
Sorry, but I'll stick to my earlier statements !!
And.. Yes IllumTheNation... THIS INDEED IS FUNN... And it feels good posting about this..GGHHHRRAAAHWWW. thats why I came Back..
It is well possible that if we post a thread about exaggerated claims, it bekomes a sticky...
Shall I... Or do you...?
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I agree with Ra... 
Obviously they didnt think there was a forum built upoin a gustapo of people who has built custom lights and can prove that such specs doesnt work...
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