raggie33
*the raggedier*
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i want to be clear i just wondered ifs it legal lol/ i neevr well very seldem cuss anyone out i just want to know my rights as we should all know are rights..
Have you figured out by now that your original question does not have a simple yes or no answer?i want to be clear i just wondered ifs it legal lol/ i neevr well very seldem cuss anyone out i just want to know my rights as we should all know are rights..
The time has come for us to agree to disagree agreeably.Being a Gentleman is something the world no longer understands, nor respects. Tolerating other peoples' BS isn't worth it.... unless they sign your paycheck or could ruin your life.
Giving them the middle finger is ok under like the first amendment or something. I think it is unnecessary though.Please note I don't do this it isn't my style they have a hard job so I treat them with kindness and respect .but I always wondered if was legal to cuss them out? Becuzse I'm met a few cops who didn't deserve respect . But I just said yes sir and no sir wished them well but was thinking to self what a jerk
That reminds me that I rather like the poem "If" by Rudyard Kipling.The time has come for us to agree to disagree agreeably.
I love this song -
I don't drink coffee, I take tea, my dear
I like my toast done on one side
And you can hear it in my accent when I talk
I'm an Englishman in New York
See me walking down Fifth Avenue
A walking cane here at my side
I take it everywhere I walk
I'm an Englishman in New York
Oh, I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien
I'm an Englishman in New York
Oh, I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien
I'm an Englishman in New York
If "manners maketh man" as someone said
He's the hero of the day
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
Be yourself no matter what they say
Oh, I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien
I'm an Englishman in New York
Oh, I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien
I'm an Englishman in New York
Modesty, propriety can lead to notoriety
You could end up as the only one
Gentleness, sobriety are rare in this society
At night a candle's brighter than the sun
Takes more than combat gear to make a man
Takes more than a license for a gun
Confront your enemies, avoid them when you can
A gentleman will walk but never run
If "manners maketh man" as someone said
He's the hero of the day
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
Be yourself no matter what they say
Be yourself no matter what they say
Be yourself no matter what they say
Be yourself no matter what they say (oh, I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien)
Englishman In New York Lyrics as written by Gordon Sumner
Meanwhile in the EU....
I don't think that's accurate. If the perp were to incite violence, like saying "Hey all of you, help me attack this cop" then yes, that would be illegal. If a crowd gathered because the perp was simply exercising his first amendment right to be a nasty SOB I don't think there's a charge that would stick in any state without an explicit call to action.It is still protected speech, provided it does not result in causing harm to others or property.
Say a particularly vicious perp gets started raising a fuss over being pulled for speeding and hurls insults at the police officer, which then causes curious onlookers to gather, resulting in a large crowd that results in ruckus that results in a street fight or damaged property (ie riot). If that ends up happening as a result of the perp cussing at the police officer(s) it's illegal but to say "your momma wears combat boots you (insert curse word here)" is not.
It's called "Disturbing the peace."I don't think that's accurate. If the perp were to incite violence, like saying "Hey all of you, help me attack this cop" then yes, that would be illegal. If a crowd gathered because the perp was simply exercising his first amendment right to be a nasty SOB I don't think there's a charge that would stick in any state without an explicit call to action.
I think you missed something in translation as there is a rather large discrepancy in your example and the original post I quoted. Nowhere was resisting arrest or interfering with an investigation mentioned, among other issues. Simply saying words does not constitute disturbing the peace. The problem at large is there are loads of technicalities at play here, in various jurisdictions in various states. My point was that there is nowhere in America where saying words is a crime that doesn't have case law up to the US Supreme Court backing up that it's not a crime. Disturbing the peace is separate issue that may involve the very loud saying of words when a reasonable person would concluded not to. I'm also not claiming that you won't get arrested for saying words. Being arrested and committing a crime are also entirely separate issues.It's called "Disturbing the peace."
If everything is calm and peaceful outside, but a loud-mouth starts swearing up a storm because the cops are there just doing their job, not even initially focusing on him; yes, he can be arrested for disturbing the peace. Oh, and if he's dumb enough to resist arrest because he thinks he's just using his 1st Amendment right to Freedom of expression, well; that's a separate charge.
Meaning, even if a judge completely agrees with him that the police shouldn't have arrested him for disturbing the peace, the resisting arrest charge doesn't automatically get dismissed the way most folks think it does. Original charge gets dismissed but the one incurred due to that original charge, doesn't. If the guy resisted arrest without violence, he'll likely see a fine in many jurisdictions. Perhaps sentenced to time served or put on probation for a short term. Some jurisdictions could lead to jail-time.
Now a charge of resisting arrest with violence, is a different story. In many states, yeah that's a Felony! Imagine your initial charges getting dismissed, but ending up in prison for a few years because you were too aggressive in trying to stop the police from arresting you on that Disturbing the peace charge. And, when you get out; now you're a convicted felon. Good luck getting a decent-paying job in any field outside of Construction, doing hard manual labor.
I'm not exactly sure what you 'tried.' I'm also not sure who has to learn what 'the hard way.' This is very confusing and most likely entirely fruitless.I tried. Some people just have to learn the hard way.
No worries, it's a forum open to the Public.I'm not exactly sure what you 'tried.' I'm also not sure who has to learn what 'the hard way.' This is very confusing and most likely entirely fruitless.
No, but some do recognize good advice based off of experience and knowledge when they hear it (or read it.) Others, not so much. Some are open-minded. Others, not so much. Some are willing to learn. Others just want to argue and pound their biased point of view home no matter what. In that way, CPF is a reflection of the world. Takes all kinds, I suppose. Again, have a good one.I certainly hope nobody comes to CPF for legal advice.