Ft. Hood Shootings
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StarHalo
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Still updating: One of the "odd internet posts" was a blog post outlining Hasan's belief that a suicide bomber is essentially the same thing as a soldier jumping on a grenade to save his fellow soldiers.
Coworkers have noted that Hasan was a harsh critic of the Middle Eastern conflict, and that he felt that Muslims had a right to stand up to the "aggressors" (the US).
Other officers who were present with Hasan during news coverage of the Little Rock recruiting office shooting in June noted that Hasan seemed very content with the attack, and that Hasan openly wondered that if similar events were to occur more often if it would cause the US to pull out of the Middle East.
Coworkers have noted that Hasan was a harsh critic of the Middle Eastern conflict, and that he felt that Muslims had a right to stand up to the "aggressors" (the US).
Other officers who were present with Hasan during news coverage of the Little Rock recruiting office shooting in June noted that Hasan seemed very content with the attack, and that Hasan openly wondered that if similar events were to occur more often if it would cause the US to pull out of the Middle East.
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carbine15
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Or allow them to protect themselves and each other.
I've been through that processing center. They should allow the soldiers who work there to carry firearms. In fact, every soldier on post should be required to be armed at all times. This Asshole would have been limited to one or two before being gunned down much much sooner. If we don't trust our own soldiers with guns and ammo, who do we trust?
Yes, I know for a fact that nobody but MP's and civilian contractor guards have any weapons on post. That is except for homicidal maniacs. Homicidal maniacs can carry whatever they want whenever they want cause they don't follow rules and laws.
HarryN
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I have no military experience, but I always assumed that all soldiers would be armed on a base - sort of like police officers. I guess not.
I agree with you totally.
carbine15
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I know that most people assume that soldiers are armed. The truth is that military bases are among the tightest gun-controlled areas in the US. Individual enlisted soldiers are never trusted with real ammo unless they are at the firing range (though they are given empty rifles all the time to march around with). We used to do perimeter patrols with empty rifles all the time. I hated it. I felt powerless and completely useless out there. If poop went down all I could do was yell.
Even in Kuwait we were only given 30 rounds of 5.56 for our defensive position. That's 30 rounds for 150 enlisted men to share. The officers had a full combat load each. The position had over 400 rounds of 9mm ammo for the officers Berettas. I'm still bitter at their lack of trust in us. Probably one of the main reasons I got out instead of re-enlisting.
Even in Kuwait we were only given 30 rounds of 5.56 for our defensive position. That's 30 rounds for 150 enlisted men to share. The officers had a full combat load each. The position had over 400 rounds of 9mm ammo for the officers Berettas. I'm still bitter at their lack of trust in us. Probably one of the main reasons I got out instead of re-enlisting.
Kevin1322
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I don't agree, and I have also been through that center. I've been in the Army for 19 years. Some of these kids coming out of basic and other training know how to kill, but not how to deal with it. They are also not trained for these type of events like the Military Police, Police, and SWAT are. Many of them (not all) you wouldn't want to just react to an armed person in a crowd of people. Not to mention the hot heads, and oh, by the way, most soldiers like to drink on their off time too. I think that there could be better and more secure measures taken, but arming everyone with a loaded weapon IS NOT the answer.
StarHalo
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Maj. Hasan is alive and in stable condition with several gunshot wounds, currently held in a hospital facility.
The first responder who shot Maj. Hasan, a female security officer of some kind, is also alive and in stable condition with several gunshot wounds.
The first responder who shot Maj. Hasan, a female security officer of some kind, is also alive and in stable condition with several gunshot wounds.
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DonShock
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Maybe not everyone, but increasing the number of RESPONSIBLE armed individuals will help minimize the body count when these type of incidents occur. Almost every one of these ends as soon as the shooter encounters armed resistance. Even if the armed defender doesn't kill the shooter, once the bad guy realizes he's not facing just helpless victims they often take their own lives. You may never be able to stop the initial violence, but armed resistance by law abiding citizens who are already on scene will definitely minimize the carnage that currently occurs while waiting for law enforcement to respond.
Bullzeyebill
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Can You post some links to your sources for these updates. It is startling to think that he as an Army officer is, or rather was, in effect, an enemy sympathizer. If so, then that would make these killings a terror attack. No offense intended here, on my part, just want the facts.
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Kevin1322
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...and that I totally agree with. I'm all for killing bad guys...just not the good ones in the process.:twothumbs
StarHalo
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Most of the sympathetic viewpoints were brought up in an interview with a fellow officer on Fox news. Hasan's blog posts are now being distributed by the AP. This is what makes radio news great, they cull all sources in near realtime; if you'd like to listen to the broadcast I'm listening to, it's live at KFI640.com - at 7PM PST (15 mins from now) a military vet will begin his coverage and commentary.
fisk-king
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my prayers to the families of the victims of this tragic event
StarHalo
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One of the soldiers who was ferrying the wounded on the scene stated that several of the injured retold the same detail - that the gunman was shouting "something in arabic" while firing into the group.
one of the soldiers in my unit was hit, he was actually out of the hospital after they removed a .22 slug from his shoulder, he was walking and talking fine, a little percoceted, but he says it was too fast for him to remember much, just people running and falling, like shooting fish in a barrel (the actual building it took placed in is a small confined medical facility with lots of cubicles) at least one of his handguns was a .22 with an extended mag.
This soldier has been deployed a few times, been shot at a few times, never hit, but always considered america a "safe zone" now that that is taken from him...seems like the perfect terrorist attack if you ask me. He is ok and released though and I thank God for that.
This soldier has been deployed a few times, been shot at a few times, never hit, but always considered america a "safe zone" now that that is taken from him...seems like the perfect terrorist attack if you ask me. He is ok and released though and I thank God for that.
Linger
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Isn't this everyone until they break the law? Who has a the ability to foretell what lies buried in the minds of men?
If someone had stopped him before he got his guns the maximum number of lives would have been spared.
Another poster wrote military bases among the tightest controlled - yes, and with the fewest incidence of gun violence for that very reason. If he was not allowed to be armed on base... maybe that's the first question: was he permitted to carry two pistols with extended mags?
StarHalo
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Those officers who have produced previous quotes and concerns about Hasan may be facing very serious charges for not reporting what they heard.
You're allowed to take weapons onto the base as long as you declare them at the gate (Ft Hood is said to have excellent bird hunting), but no intensive search or interrogation is performed otherwise. You produce your ID and drive through, that's about it.
DonShock
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Yes, everyone is law abiding until they break the law and as such should be allowed to be armed. It's impossible to predict the future, or what's in somebody's mind. So it's impossible to completely prevent such attacks nor to predict when and where they will occur. It's likewise impossible to prevent those intent on doing evil from obtaining weapons. Evil men will do evil acts. The question is, what are the good people going to do when it happens? I believe there are more good people than bad and that when the good guys have guns they can protect themselves and others from the bad apples in society. Usually, in the case of thefts and other "minor" crimes, the good guy often doesn't even need to use his weapon to stop the commission of the crime. Most criminals fear a victim who can defend himself. In horrendous crimes like Ft Hood, the ability to defend yourself can make the difference between life and death. And as this and other similar crimes show, even when the criminal has no other goal than to kill as many people as possible, once they are confronted with an equally well armed defender the killing of the innocents comes to an end.
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