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I see a few here are using the LiPo4 batteries. I was initially enamored of them due to their energy density and discharge characteristics, but I've stuck with lead-acid chemistry for now… my reason: the little Battery Management System (BMS) module that's inside the case of almost all batteries of this type.

This is a little IC "brain" that allows the battery to charge and discharge properly within its limits. If it should go bad, it's my understanding that the battery is pretty much toast at that point, unless one wants to tear into the case and is able to replace the circuitry (a rather formidable, and perhaps practically impossible task). My concern is twofold: lightning and NEMP, primarily the latter.

While destructive overvoltage conditions from a lightning strike can usually be successfully shunted to ground and away from the batteries in a properly designed and grounded solar power or other alternative energy setup, this would likely not be the case where NEMP is concerned. Inquiries I made to people in a certain government task force on NEMP a couple of years ago, regarding this potential issue with the LiPo4 BMS, were not at all reassuring, and indeed confirmed my concerns that this was a weak spot that could well render a system using such batteries inoperable in the event of an NEMP event.

At issue is the fact that, as best as can be determined (and the battery manufacturers are of very little help in this regard), these modules have been designed with little to no shielding or bypass, and are extremely susceptible to overvoltage conditions such as would occur from both the E1 and E2 pulses of any substantial NEMP. Failure of the BMS is almost a certainty in such an event, unless heroic efforts have been made to shield the batteries themselves along with the entire solar power system, which is of doubtful effectiveness unless done to TEMPEST standards or better, a rather expensive proposition.

One must judge for oneself how much of a threat they think this presents to their systems, and plan accordingly. Solar panels, at least the single-crystal silicon variety, are remarkably resistant to the effects of NEMP (save for their blocking diodes), as are lead-acid batteries. Charge controllers and inverters are another matter, and require proper bypassing and shielding if one expects them to survive… having replacements for these components on-hand, kept in a shielded metal container, might be the most effective way to deal with this, short of extensive modifications.

Just something to keep in mind in these rather uncertain times.
 
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My concern is twofold: lightning and NEMP, primarily the latter.
Ah the EMP - along with plagues/zombies and 'social unrest' - one of the trio of triggering incidents of so much modern disaster porn.

If a nuclear EMP takes out your electronics you've likely got far bigger problems than the loss of their utility. Your stated location suggests that you live roughly equidistant between NYC and Philadelphia and like me you're apt to be force-served a deluxe double sh_t sandwich if the nukes start to fly (Soviet war planning was allegedly to just nuke all of TX; more specifically I'm less than 10 miles from DFW airport). Whatever comfort your preps bring you is apt to be brief as the rest of society crumbles around you and you must likely turn to more basic preps and fundamental skills to deal with the aftermath.

For most scenarios less than this - particularly in the portable powerbank genre - Li-ion and LFP are both adequate and the only real contenders in the game.
 

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Ah the EMP - along with plagues/zombies and 'social unrest' - one of the trio of triggering incidents of so much modern disaster porn.

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disaster porn :yellowlaugh:

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Dr. Jones, the LiTime LFP units have a 5 year warranty ~ They are rated for thousands of cycles.
Wouldn't select, not buying something because of a possible e pulse
 

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Well, an EMP is realistic. As far as plagues, we had a mild one 3 years ago that has tapered off but is still lingering on. Zombies?? That's fantasy.... Unless you count Stoners. And, let's be honest they're less of a slow-moving threat than a slow-moving, rotting, diseased corpse. Just fill your back-pack full of those very small snack-packs, and toss one at a Stoner whose coming near you. Guaranteed they'll leave you alone after that!
 

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Well, an EMP is realistic.
In the sense that it's within the realm of possibilities, yes. However the likelihood is low and if it does happen your offgrid setup had better include a capable homestead that you happen to be whisked to about time the excitement kicks off.
 

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In the sense that it's within the realm of possibilities, yes. However the likelihood is low and if it does happen your offgrid setup had better include a capable homestead that you happen to be whisked to about time the excitement kicks off.
Unfortunately, if you had asked the Average American what's the likelihood of a small but very determined group of terrorists with box-cutters initiating the worst terror attack on American soil; before September 11th 2001 you'd get a reply of "Low" too.

I genuinely consider an EMP to be a realistic threat. True, the item needed to carry out that threat is very hard to acquire. Unless a nation with nuclear capability and not friendly to ours, decides to supply one nuke to a determined terrorist organization and send America back technologically to the early 1800s. Giving said unfriendly nation plausible deniability. The Amish would be fine. Everyone else in America would be screwed.

Few are prepared. Few have places they can travel to in order to get out of populated areas. (Remember, no more working cars.) And those who have a few mylar bags, with very expensive electronics in them.... What would be the point? Think about it. What small electronic item would actually be useful if an EMP was detonated?
 

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I genuinely consider an EMP to be a realistic threat. True, the item needed to carry out that threat is very hard to acquire.
Nuclear EMPs (NEMP) remain within the realm of the nation-state. And there's nothing but impoverishment in it for any nation that deploys one - the retribution would likely be swift and the global economic consequences beyond severe.

Non-nuclear EMPs (NNEMP) are more accessible. They range from disruptors (generally short-range, often directional, plans are readily available) to the likes of the explosively pumped flux compression generator whose basic design was outlined some >50 years ago. I recall Boeing's CHAMP missile made a public demonstration more than a decade ago using a novel steerable microwave transmitter.

But this raises a question. Given Russia's expertise in NNEMPs why are there no reports of their use in Ukraine or other wars? Are the ineffective outside of the lab? Or is it just a better use of resources just to build more conventional shells, bombs, missiles?

And of course, this is in a conversation originally about portable powerbanks largely intended to recharge cell phones and other USB doodads whose utility post NEMP is rather questionable even if they escape unscathed.
 

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Nuclear EMPs (NEMP) remain within the realm of the nation-state. And there's nothing but impoverishment in it for any nation that deploys one - the retribution would likely be swift and the global economic consequences beyond severe.
You made some excellent points that I mainly agree with. But this paragraph.... Unfortunately there are those out there who would happily suffer any consequences if it meant destroying the very way of Life of the focus of their Hatred and Rage. People talk about the incredible power of Love. Sadly, Hate is just as powerful when it comes to Humanity.
 

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You made some excellent points that I mainly agree with. But this paragraph.... Unfortunately there are those out there who would happily suffer any consequences if it meant destroying the very way of Life of the focus of their Hatred and Rage. People talk about the incredible power of Love. Sadly, Hate is just as powerful when it comes to Humanity.
There are certainly some non nation-state actors who are willing, should they acquire such a means.
 

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Ah the EMP - along with plagues/zombies and 'social unrest' - one of the trio of triggering incidents of so much modern disaster porn.

If a nuclear EMP takes out your electronics you've likely got far bigger problems than the loss of their utility. Your stated location suggests that you live roughly equidistant between NYC and Philadelphia and like me you're apt to be force-served a deluxe double sh_t sandwich if the nukes start to fly (Soviet war planning was allegedly to just nuke all of TX; more specifically I'm less than 10 miles from DFW airport). Whatever comfort your preps bring you is apt to be brief as the rest of society crumbles around you and you must likely turn to more basic preps and fundamental skills to deal with the aftermath.

For most scenarios less than this - particularly in the portable powerbank genre - Li-ion and LFP are both adequate and the only real contenders in the game.
With all due respect, you do not appear to grasp how the strategic use of an NEMP would likely play out. Since by your somewhat derisive tone you apparently consider it fear-mongering to discuss such a possibility, I won't bother going into details, but suffice it to say that your scenario of an all-out nuclear war does not figure into the most likely scenarios involving the use of an NEMP.
 

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With all due respect, you do not appear to grasp how the strategic use of an NEMP would likely play out. Since by your somewhat derisive tone you apparently consider it fear-mongering to discuss such a possibility, I won't bother going into details, but suffice it to say that your scenario of an all-out nuclear war does not figure into the most likely scenarios involving the use of an NEMP.
I've read enough of the light reading within the EMP commission report to conclude that the use of a NEMP would be ruinous to the civilian populace. Doing so to the United States or allied nations would invite greater levels of retributory ruin upon the perpetrator - and for all the rhetoric that some nations deploy they're also self-interested enough not to engage in such destruction.

However, if you wish to plan stationary energy storage decisions principally around a TEOTWAWKI-level scenario, have at.
 
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There's a bit of assumption ones inverter will be 100% too, generators also etc..

An EMP would be considered a full act of war.
We live in an age it's likely indirect: massive communication lockup/grid failure/new manufactured virus/market manipulation~crash
 

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Well, an EMP is realistic. As far as plagues, we had a mild one 3 years ago that has tapered off but is still lingering on. Zombies?? That's fantasy.... Unless you count Stoners. And, let's be honest they're less of a slow-moving threat than a slow-moving, rotting, diseased corpse. Just fill your back-pack full of those very small snack-packs, and toss one at a Stoner whose coming near you. Guaranteed they'll leave you alone after that!
I'd be more worried about what happens if all those "cell phone zombies" suddenly loose their phones. Last time there was an outage here there was a noticeable rise in social anxiety and the violent crime rate rose significantly for those few hours. After a few days it would be chaos since most people rely on the internet to get information. There are a broadcast stations that supposedly could survive an EMP but how many people have the ability to hear them?
 

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Back to powerbanks..

This is a good option for voltages from 5~20V Type C (up to 100W input & output)
can be had for about $68 from reputable Sellers,, so not cheap, but not crazy expensive either
Alot of us have various DeWalt batteries


 

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Back to powerbanks..

This is a good option for voltages from 5~20V Type C (up to 100W input & output)
can be had for about $68 from reputable Sellers,, so not cheap, but not crazy expensive either
Alot of us have various DeWalt batteries



Related, I've gotten good service from the Ryobi ONE+ inverter / USB powerbank:

Appears they also offer a similar powerbank-specific product that also supplies 12V DC:
 

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LOL... you guys are evil.

Once again I am considering getting one of those ryobi inverters.
But OTOH, I wonder should I get a Greenworks 40V inverter?

I have 2 each 18/20V Ryobi batteries 2Ah, 4Ah, and 6Ah.
and only one greenworks 40V 2Ah battery.
But will I get more 40V batteries? IDK

Maybe I should not get an inverter.
 

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LOL... you guys are evil.
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We do evil very well in cpf ©️

Maybe see what's in the pipeline for this year, I'd rather have strong Type C than the modified inverter.
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I'm going with the Milwaukee line. My son uses that, and I hear great things from online and pros that use it, so that is what I'm going with. That slide-on inverter for their batteries interests me. Looks very handy.
 
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