DeWalt Li-Ion battery pack and chargers

wptski

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Sony knows what they are talking about. But do you think Makita just decided to ignore the datasheets and charge the cells at whatever they feel like without first getting the thumbs up from Sony? Sony would have stopped supplying them long ago if that. The 1c reccomended current is probably already a compromise between cell life vs charge speed, and 0.5c is even better. 0.2 for overnight charge is probably best. But doubling the reccomended charging rate most likely introduces an insignificant amount of additional degradation, thats unavoidable anyway. It doesnt mean squat in real life.
And remember these datasheets are for the end user, that can choose to charge them with anything from a dumpcharge from another battery, a homemade or a cheap chinese copy of a chinese copy of a chinese charger, and given this, no manufacturer will say "yes of course Jim, our cells will take 5A current but make sure you have a good extinguisher". Theyll play it safe and state 1c max. Manufacturers that buy millions of cells, are probably getting a sheet with different values.

Bottom line is, you worry about nothing. 4A charge for a 4Ah pack is 1c anyway. For a 2Ah is 2c. Keep the cells cool and its fine. Its not the high charge or discharge current that kills the cell, its mostly heat. Fast cell degradation starts at 70-85°C, not at high currents.
Why have a data sheet and give a thumbs up to Makita? Maybe that's why the Sony VTC4/5 isn't manufactured anymore? Read here: https://www.powerstream.com/sony-vtc-availability-letter.htm

If you'd follow the 1C rule, maybe your Makita packs twice as long? The truth is opinions are abundant but if you Google the effects of charging a Li-Ion battery at a higher rate than 1C, you'll see that you are a minority. The Battery University is one and very well know source.

My Nexus 10 tablet charges its Li-Ion passed 4.3V so I use an app with an alarm set.
 

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The Milwaukee 48-59-1812 charger puts out 3 amps at 18 volts. The battery pack has a balancing board inside that regulates the amperage and voltage to each of the five cells if using the two amp hour pack and the 10 cells in the 2.8, 4.0 and 5.0 amp hour packs.

Assuming that each cell inside the pack was going to receive 3 amps is a stretch, as if that were the case, the higher amp hour packs would require a 30 amp circuit to power the charger.
 

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The Milwaukee 48-59-1812 charger puts out 3 amps at 18 volts. The battery pack has a balancing board inside that regulates the amperage and voltage to each of the five cells if using the two amp hour pack and the 10 cells in the 2.8, 4.0 and 5.0 amp hour packs.

Assuming that each cell inside the pack was going to receive 3 amps is a stretch, as if that were the case, the higher amp hour packs would require a 30 amp circuit to power the charger.
The specs that I posted above show that charger draws 2.1A AC current so that's it. You don't use the cell count multiplied by 3A. It's like the popular C9000 charging four cells each at 2A, charger input is 12V at 2A but the wallwart has an input of 1.1A AC current.
 

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Just a note. Some DeWalt battery packs used A123 cells. They were very expensive commercial tools and not common. I tried to find some used packs for a while but finally gave up.
 
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