*Now Built* P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

[missionaryman]

*Now Built & beamshots added* P7 need help building one

Project is now complete see post #56 for beamshots & photos

Yes up until now I was an incan man through and through but the SSC P7 has impressed me enough to cross over.
Now I need help building one please.
I've done my research and the threads have bits & pices of info everywhere - I want to get all that info into one place so that I and other would be LED builders can have a reference to work from.

Could those that are savvy in this area please post theirknowledge here:

I want to build a 1D (I can get the host sorted no problem) using a KD single protected D LiIon cell & MOP reflector, SSC P7 mag running at it's maximum brightness.

What do I need to buy & can I get it all from the one place? Kaidomain works best for me because he ships to Australia

I understand it has to be "C bin". I think that means I have to buy a certain board - I think KD have it but I don't know which one, I need a heat sink that I can get here on CPF but don't know which one and I need the emmitter but which one do I get - KD have a few different SSC P7 emmitters - then how do you put it all together?

 

[Greg G]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

If you want max lumens you need to push it over 3 amps imo. I don't see where KD has a driver that will do that. A Tri Flupic would.

I built a 3 D M@g with Accupower LSD batteries the other day and ran it direct drive. It pushes 3.6 amps to the emitter with freshly charged batteries. The light doesn't overheat.

I'd get a heatsink, a CSWOI bin emitter, and wire it up straight. There are other modders here DD'ing the P7 off Lithium Ion rechageables.


Greg

Edit: Here's a link to a shorty P7 M@g with one D size Li ion.

https://www.candlepowerforums.com/threads/195720

 

[darkzero]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

If you want max lumens you need to push it over 3 amps imo. I don't see where KD has a driver that will do that. A Tri Flupic would.

Sure you can. I've built a 9xAMC7135 before. I'll try a 10xAMC7135 next.

 

[Bordermeister]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

Hi,
I too am in Australia and was looking at a 1D P7 mod running a 1D Li ion, but I am having trouble sourcing a 1D host, where did you get yours from or did you get someone to mod a 2D for you.

Cheers
Mark

 

[Norm]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

This mine from Fivemega http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=146499
I have replaced the tailcap as the original cap had a hole for charging.
Keep an eye out for Fivemega's posts he seems to be putting them up regularly, some lovely colours too. Link to sold out coloured 1D mags http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=194250

 

[LEDninja]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

Some P7 specific parts for DIY:

Mote-Sink heat sink
http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?t=178355

Reflector
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12229
1st impresions: https://www.candlepowerforums.com/posts/2461657&postcount=48
Pics: https://www.candlepowerforums.com/posts/2461936&postcount=49

LED SSC P7 CSW0J
http://www.kaidomain.com/WEBUI/ProductDetail.aspx?TranID=4312
PhotonFanatic is sold out and DX's SSC P7 W724C0-BSYPI might be too blue/purple.
To read the tint (colour) chart below:
SW0 tint is in the center of the chart ~6000K neutral white.
SYP tint is in the left of the chart ~10000K cold white.
I find anything 7000K and above hurts my eyes.

 

[Greg G]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

Sure you can. I've built a 9xAMC7135 before. I'll try a 10xAMC7135 next.

I don't know......seems kind of driver heavy to me. KISS is working for me, for now.

 

[missionaryman]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

Some P7 specific parts for DIY:

Mote-Sink heat sink
http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?t=178355

Reflector
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12229
1st impresions: https://www.candlepowerforums.com/posts/2461657&postcount=48
Pics: https://www.candlepowerforums.com/posts/2461936&postcount=49

LED SSC P7 CSW0J
http://www.kaidomain.com/WEBUI/ProductDetail.aspx?TranID=4312
PhotonFanatic is sold out and DX's SSC P7 W724C0-BSYPI might be too blue/purple.
To read the tint (colour) chart below:
SW0 tint is in the center of the chart ~6000K neutral white.
SYP tint is in the left of the chart ~10000K cold white.
I find anything 7000K and above hurts my eyes.

thanks mate that's very helpful.

 

[missionaryman]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

If you want max lumens you need to push it over 3 amps imo. I don't see where KD has a driver that will do that. A Tri Flupic would.

I built a 3 D M@g with Accupower LSD batteries the other day and ran it direct drive. It pushes 3.6 amps to the emitter with freshly charged batteries. The light doesn't overheat.

I'd get a heatsink, a CSWOI bin emitter, and wire it up straight. There are other modders here DD'ing the P7 off Lithium Ion rechageables.


Greg

Edit: Here's a link to a shorty P7 M@g with one D size Li ion.

https://www.candlepowerforums.com/threads/195720

So you mean no driver at all?
Is that unhealthy for the diode?

 

[phantom23]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

No because Vf of the emitter is similar to V of single Li-Ion cell. With freshly charged 18650 it pulls 3,5A. It's more tham 2,8A but P7 works fine over 4A.

 

[Greg G]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

So you mean no driver at all?
Is that unhealthy for the diode?

Right. No driver. Wires run straight from the shortened and modded switch to the emitter. As long as the finished product is pulling no more than about 3.5-3.6 amps I wouldn't worry.

If you're very concerned about the emitter running too hot you can have a custom copper heatsink made that is twice as long as a normal heatsink. That extra mass will draw a lot more heat out of the emitter and let it run cooler. You can also fin the head so the light dissipates heat more quickly. My light doesn't need it, so I'm not doing it. YMMV.

 

[yellow]

dont put too much hope in this led.

in Your host size, only the cost of the reflector is less.
At every other aspect a three cree with Sandwich Shoppe reflectors will kick the P7s ***
- at just 2/3 of the current needed
AND
with drivers that are already tested and proven.

 

[Norm]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

Hi,
I too am in Australia and was looking at a 1D P7 mod running a 1D Li ion, but I am having trouble sourcing a 1D host, where did you get yours from or did you get someone to mod a 2D for you.

Cheers
Mark

Get one while there is still some left 1.25 D fits KDs protected D Li-ion perfectly. https://www.candlepowerforums.com/threads/195559
Norm

 

[DM51]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

plasmaman has already made one - see this thread.

 

[Greg G]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

dont put too much hope in this led.

in Your host size, only the cost of the reflector is less.
At every other aspect a three cree with Sandwich Shoppe reflectors will kick the P7s ***
- at just 2/3 of the current needed
AND
with drivers that are already tested and proven.

My experience is different. My Tri-R2 Cree, with McR19XR reflectors and a Shark driving them at 980ma, is not as bright as my CSWOI P7 @ 3.6 amps.

The one thing I plan to do soon is to replace the FiveMega MOP reflector with a McR38. I'd like to see the change it makes.

 

[missionaryman]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

direct driving sounds good to me and simple enough for even me to do.

Thanks for the link Norm but I want pewter or copper and I like the finning to be bare aluminium

 

[ace0001a]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

dont put too much hope in this led.

in Your host size, only the cost of the reflector is less.
At every other aspect a three cree with Sandwich Shoppe reflectors will kick the P7s ***
- at just 2/3 of the current needed
AND
with drivers that are already tested and proven.

Unless you've got a preference for an output that has a really well defined hotspot (as Crees usually do), I can't see how 3 Crees would outperform a P7 at similar overall power levels.

My experience is different. My Tri-R2 Cree, with McR19XR reflectors and a Shark driving them at 980ma, is not as bright as my CSWOI P7 @ 3.6 amps.

The one thing I plan to do soon is to replace the FiveMega MOP reflector with a McR38. I'd like to see the change it makes.

Yeah even McGizmo (maker of the McR line of reflectors sold at the Sandwich Shoppe) said something to the effect it still takes 4 Crees to equal the light output of a single P7. I think someone here tried an McR38 with the P7 and said they liked the beam. Basically though, it's only a matter of time until we start seeing reflectors and drivers designed for the P7.

 

[Norm]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

dont put too much hope in this led.

in Your host size, only the cost of the reflector is less.
At every other aspect a three cree with Sandwich Shoppe reflectors will kick the P7s ***
- at just 2/3 of the current needed
AND
with drivers that are already tested and proven.

My P7 mag throws as well as any of my other modded mags, it does have fantastic flood but you just have to look at the beam on a foggy night to see how bright the central beam is. As far as regulation goes the D Li-ion I'm using for direct drive starts of about 3A quickly settles to 2.8A and doesn't seem to drop below 2.5A. All sound good to me. Compared to a WA1111 900 Lumens it is not far behind. I think you need to actually try before you start speculating about performance.
Norm

 

[Greg G]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

Unless you've got a preference for an output that has a really well defined hotspot (as Crees usually do), I can't see how 3 Crees would outperform a P7 at similar overall power levels.



Yeah even McGizmo (maker of the McR line of reflectors sold at the Sandwich Shoppe) said something to the effect it still takes 4 Crees to equal the light output of a single P7. I think someone here tried an McR38 with the P7 and said they liked the beam. Basically though, it's only a matter of time until we start seeing reflectors and drivers designed for the P7.

I agree with McGizmo's statement. My P7 light is brighter than my Tri-Cree, but my Penta Cree is brighter than the P7. I figure 4 Cree's would be about even on lumens.

I do like the quality of the beam better with the Cree and McR19XR reflectors though, and those lights remain my favorites.

 

[uluapoundr]

Re: P7 has converted me from incan only to LED - now I need help building one

There's a discussion in the LED lights forum where members are criticizing the P7, saying that all it is is a quad P4 that is inefficient and all hype. I'm not knowledgeable enough to post my opinions but maybe some of the other here can back up the p7 here: https://www.candlepowerforums.com/threads/196739

My first mod is a Mag 3D P7 direct driven on alkaline batteries because my Nimh didn't arrive yet. The light output is impressive. I bet it'll get even brighter when I have better batteries. This Mag Drowns out my Ultrafire C2 Q5, Romissen RC-T5, and Solarforce L2 R2.

I have a few incan mods planned, but after doing the p7 mod, I'm wondering why I spent so much on the parts for my Mag623, Mag85, and ROP parts.

P7s rock!