Original HDS EDC = Coolest Ever

[derfyled]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

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I admit.. it's a good one... :crackup:


BUT... your signature makes me realize something... with one of those older HDS, you don't need to recharge your cell in 3 minutes for max brightness, the power supply will maintain a perfect flat regulated output for 30 to 55 minutes depending on the model.

 

[Norm]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

I you don't need to recharge your cell in 3 minutes for max brightness, the power supply will maintain a perfect flat regulated output for 30 to 55 minutes depending on the model.

What's the runtime of the newer lights from Henry when running at 40 or 60 lumens?

All I'm trying to say is we've progressed, and I prefer to use one of Henries newer lights! more horsepower with much better fuel economy.

I'm not knocking HDS in any way.

Norm

 

[derfyled]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

What's the runtime of the newer lights from Henry when running at 40 or 60 lumens?

All I'm trying to say is we've progressed, and I prefer to use one of Henries newer lights! more horsepower with much better fuel economy.

I'm not knocking HDS in any way.

Norm

The driver has not changed a lot, the older driver was even more ( a lot more...) efficient on lowest output since it was a clever combination of analog and PWM regulation. The newest model don't use PWM at all (as far as I know...).

Yes, you need to change the emitter ( 15-20 minutes job) but once it's done, the light is fantastic. Just like on any Surefire, Mcgizmo or other high quality light. Emitters are improving fast and this model can be very easily updated.

I have a standard ULTIMATE moded with an XM-L that can sustained near 300 lumens (guestimate with ceiling bounce compared to an SC600 set on 330 lumens) so it can run for 30 minutes on high. I then guess it can easily run for a good hour on 200 lumens, quite comparable to any newer lights out there.

Of course, I don't trash your opinion Norm, but comparing this light with a T model is not an accurate comparison. The host, the design, the UI and the engine is still perfectly within today standard, it's just a matter of LED...

There is not many new lights that can claim to have potted electronics, overheating protection, complete programability, advanced electronic features like locator flash, electronic lockout, overdischarge protection, complete flat power regulation, auto-detection of cell chemistry, bomb-proof host, 3mm thick lens, option of having memory mode turned off or on, many cell possibility (1 XCR123, 2 X CR123, 1X RCR, 17670, 18650, 2X AA).

And I'm not blinded by HDS, I own many other fine lights from a lot of different companies but which one do I take with me for trekking 1 week in wild woods ? Take a guess...

Newer is not necessarily better

 

[Norm]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

You might notice, I'm trying to learn here as well, replacing the LED moves us away from the original thread title. So all comparisons must be made between a stock light and the newer lights.

So the electronics haven't changed greatly, but the LED efficiency has, compared to the original Luxeon, true?

Norm

PS I still regularly carry my 3 YO Executive Custom 140 GT.

 

[derfyled]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

Of course you're right, the stock old EDC series now has a completely outdated LED...

 

[F250XLT]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

You might notice, I'm trying to learn here as well, replacing the LED moves us away from the original thread title. So all comparisons must be made between a stock light and the newer lights.



Norm

Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what it is you are trying to "learn"? This thread is based on opinion, not facts. So perhaps you are more trying to "understand" others opinions, and guess what, you don't have to understand why there are still many people who feel the way I do.

Also, the original thread title is referring to the actual model of light, I never mentioned that it had to be in stock form. I never put too much stock into what emitter a specific light has, due to the fact that is typically an easy fix. If you love the host/UI, you just mod the emitter to fit your likes. So that brings us back to host design and UI, and the HDS is the coolest ever IMO.

So Norm, you can continue to debate, and attempt to discredit others opinions. Or, you can disagree and move on...The choice is yours :)

 

[Norm]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

I misunderstood your thread title entirely, I took "original" to mean as supplied originally by Henry.

Perhaps that's the reason for my posts and your expectation of the contributions to this thread differ.

As for trying to learn, so far defyled has shown the that the biggest difference between the newer lights and the Original HDS is mainly in the LED itself and not so much in the driver circuit.

This isn't a debate, as you yourself stated "everyone is entitled to their opinion"

As for the thread title you now have clarified what you originally meant by Original "Also, the original thread title is referring to the actual model of light, I never mentioned that it had to be in stock form." which wasn't obvious to me previously.

Sorry to have sullied your thread, I'll not do so in the future.

Norm

 

[F250XLT]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

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I wouldn't expect you to understand, HDS was cool before you're time...:grin2:

Seriously though, I certainly don't expect everyone to agree or understand my passion for these lights.

 

[TedTheLed]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

The T Model Ford was a ground breaking vehicle When it was released in 1908, but I'm not going to drive one to work in 2012. The HDS was also ground breaking when it was released, I just prefer to drive the latest model.

Norm[/QUOTE]

I'd love to drive one;

Gas Mileage: 1908 Ford Model T - 25 MPG
2008 EPA Average All Cars - 21 MPG


"The Environmental Protection Agency reported that the average performance of new, 2008 model cars and trucks was 20.8 miles per gallon in 2008."**-- Boston Globe, 9/19/08

"Ford's Model T, which went 25 miles on a gallon of gasoline, was more fuel efficient than the current Ford Explorer sport-utility vehicle -- which manages just 16 miles per gallon."**-- Detroit News, 6/4/03

"The Prius is the first significant departure from the combustion engine to make any major inroads in the auto industry since Henry Ford invented the Model T in 1908."**-- Newsweek, 9/6/04



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[Torchaddict]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

:lolsign: Let's not get too carried away here. There's so many differences between the Model T and modern cars that fair comparisons can't be made. Anyways, I too agree that swapping the LED on a light makes for a fair comparison between the older ones and modern lights. I modded an Arc6, which is notoriously known for bad runtimes with an XM-L and I get 100-150 Lumens for 2 hrs. Shows how far emitters have progressed.

 

[F250XLT]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

Even the hottest lights on the current market will have outdated LED's in a couple years, not reason to dump them though.

 

[Hondo]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

The only thing I dislike about the B42XRs is the relatively high rate of parasitic drain. it's a nit, but it keeps them from being "perfect" for me.

Huh? These lights do not have high parasitic drain, in fact, they are one of the lowest even by today's standards. I have had the same CR123 in my B42GT for several years, with very light usage of course, and it still locks on high no problem. If you have high parasitic drain, I believe that Henry once again offered warranty service on these after Novatac failed to provide good service as originally agreed when they bought the EDC design. Contact Henry and get it fixed. The service on these is THAT good.

 

[Jeff S.]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

The Model T produced something on the order of twenty horses with a top speed under fifty miles an hour. I'll take a stick-shift Corolla any day if MPG is a worry.

I have my EDC GT60 stashed in my hiking pack. It's been everywhere with me. Great light, and perfect form. The little light is abused beyond belief, including a crack across the lens, but it keeps on humming (literally, when the light is on).

I have an HDS Rotary, which is a stellar light, but I never carry it because it lacks a clip. The EDC GT60 never left my pocket.

 

[derfyled]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

The little light is abused beyond belief, including a crack across the lens, but it keeps on humming (literally, when the light is on).

You can get another lens from flashlightlens.com, 21,6mm

 

[F250XLT]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

I have my EDC GT60 stashed in my hiking pack. It's been everywhere with me. Great light, and perfect form. The little light is abused beyond belief, including a crack across the lens, but it keeps on humming (literally, when the light is on).

I think I have a bunch of spare windows at home, PM me your address and I'll send you a replacement.

 

[CarpentryHero]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

I think I have a bunch of spare windows at home, PM me your address and I'll send you a replacement.

Tim you da bomb like Tik Tik, wait a help out a fellow flashaholic :thumbsup:

 

[davyro]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

I think i understand the point of this great thread as i have probably the same feelings for my HDS lights,also when i get my 120E back with a new nichia 219 inserted it won't leave me where ever i go
it's a legacy model just like my 170T & i just love the feeling of holding these lights they just feel right,i can't explain why they just do.So Tim i think i know where your coming from when you say your
Original HDS=Coolest.I've not had the pleasure of owning an original HDS but you never know i might in the future.:D

 

[Cataract]

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I was already convinced but now I'm just waiting for Henry to make some high CRI's and save myself the trouble, then I'll plunge head first without looking; my wallet is already shaking in fear...

 

[Chronos]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

As time progresses our discussions seem mired in old analogies and defensive posturing. I love a good debate - let's be civil and enjoy other perspectives. I know I've learned a lot this way over the years at CPF! :)

I've got shelves full of "old school" lights and new, gee-whiz screaming output lights.

I still EDC an old, apparently out-of-date Novatac Beta 120p (think old-style sterile HDS body with Novatac light engine). More than enough output for EDC purposes, and it works every time I press its tailcap. Nearly perfect beam quality. And about a perfect form factor, especially for SD with a handgun.

My dad still EDCs that old Ra Twisty 100 I gave him. It has been (unintentionally) abused in legendary ways and still works. And works every time he needs it.

I also have an older McGizmo that I frequently use, as it too has a nearly perfect beam and great output and form factor for EDC use. A milkyspit mod or two, as well.

So when I head out for a big night-hike, a trip, or anywhere that I know I may need to trust in a light, it is an older HDS/Ra, McGizmo, or SureFire/milky mod. I get a lot of grins and laughs with a lot of current lights, but I usually reserve them for playtime at the beach at night, at family gatherings, etc. I can't count how many times I've had a switch go out, a contact lose contact, etc.

Maybe I'll upgrade the HDS/Novatac's emitter one of these days. Maybe not.

 

[F250XLT]

Re: Original HDS = Coolest Ever

I was already convinced but now I'm just waiting for Henry to make some high CRI's and save myself the trouble, then I'll plunge head first without looking; my wallet is already shaking in fear...

Don't confuse the new breed, with the old...

While the newer models are great I'm sure, I just have a strong preference for the old.