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Awesome review, looking forward to the rest.

Do you have a photo of the switch? Thank you.


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syracuse said:
Kindly tell us about the user interface. Do you think the protected NCR18650B, 69.4 mm, will fit in the tube?
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I am working on the user interface portion so please bear with me.

I just updated the review which shows an Orbtronic Protected 3400mAh 18650 Li-ion Rechargeable Battery inside the battery tube with over 1.5 mm to spare. The Orbtronic measures 68.9 mm and utilizes the Panasonic NCR18650B.
 
Knight_Light said:
How does 1h 08m continuous sound to you?:)
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Holely Cheese Batman! How does 178F sound! Your light could serve as a backup stove with that kinda temperature! I hope that the non-metallic components (like the switch I assume?) are designed for cyclical temperature fluctuations that extreme, especially if there is a 10yr warranty on it. Knowing you can utilize the turbo for an extended period without it stepping down effectively increases the versatility of the light (assuming you are okay with a small stove on your forehead).

So that makes me wonder... did the box come with a warning label like "do not use the turbo mode if you have long hair"?
 
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Sweet bejeebus!
sounds like an awesome headlamp!
I'll buy one when its available....I've read the thread from Armytek looking for input. Looking good!!

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This needs combination heatsink/knurling on the tailcap, and more heatsinking on the body & head.

80C seems like a battery cell protection, which it can't reach with today's capacity 18650s Looking at the NCR18650B technical specs, it says maximum of 60C ambient temp for discharge. I wonder how hot the junction temperature of the LEDs gets? Could this provide 2nd degree burns to the epidermis?
Heat dissipation wouldn't be a concern if this was your winter only headlight. Maybe if they turn the wick down; say 500 lumens for Mode4, and 750 lumens for Turbo.
 
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That is an incredible run time on turbo for such a small light. Must have some decent heat sinking!

I'd never let a small light run that hot for so long but it is nice to know you can if you have to.
 
jonathanluu2 said:
Holely Cheese Batman! How does 178F sound! Your light could serve as a backup stove with that kinda temperature! I hope that the non-metallic components (like the switch I assume?) are designed for cyclical temperature fluctuations that extreme, especially if there is a 10yr warranty on it. Knowing you can utilize the turbo for an extended period without it stepping down effectively increases the versatility of the light (assuming you are okay with a small stove on your forehead).

So that makes me wonder... did the box come with a warning label like "do not use the turbo mode if you have long hair"?
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I don’t know about the light acting as a backup stove but it would probably serve well for steeping tea. :)

The switch really never got too hot. One of the things I was talking to Armytek about was the importance of customer service. So as long as the light is utilized as it is designed they said they would honor any warranty claims (whether this happens or not is yet to be seen but the intent is there).

Let me start by saying that I have a lot of faith in this light already but there is no way that I would ever run this on turbo over 5 minutes while wearing this on my head.

You mentioned “effectively increases the versatility of the light” I would agree with this to some point because at the 10 minute mark you cannot hold this headlamp comfortably with your bare hands. Nonetheless I think this headlamp is light years ahead of (pun intended) all of the production offerings in this particular price range.

There were no warnings on the box because this is a preproduction sample. But that is a good suggestion which I will point out to them for the retail product.
 
lightcycle1 said:
Sweet bejeebus!
sounds like an awesome headlamp!
I'll buy one when its available....I've read the thread from Armytek looking for input. Looking good!!

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It really is a very impressive headlamp. And despite being larger then some of its competitors it is actually quite pleasant to EDC. The pocket clip, which I will be posting pictures of soon, is very well thought out (except for the issue of marking up the light which hopefully gets solved with the retail unit) and is quite deep.

I have read some of your posts previously on headlamps and I think you would like it if you did not mind the larger format.
 
MichaelW said:
This needs combination heatsink/knurling on the tailcap, and more heatsinking on the body & head.

80C seems like a battery cell protection, which it can't reach with today's capacity 18650s Looking at the NCR18650B technical specs, it says maximum of 60C ambient temp for discharge. I wonder how hot the junction temperature of the LEDs gets? Could this provide 2nd degree burns to the epidermis?
Heat dissipation wouldn't be a concern if this was your winter only headlight. Maybe if they turn the wick down; say 500 lumens for Mode4, and 750 lumens for Turbo.
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I think the primary design is set in stone for this round of the product. Having said that, this headlamp does an excellent job heat sinking. I think that is one of the reasons it is oversized compared to some of its peers in this particular class of product.

Second-degree burn threshold for skin is skin temperature raised to 175°F for more then 1 second. So this is probably theoretically possible although I think realistically improbable (most people would drop the headlamp way before 150°F).

The maximum temperature that I saw the battery reach was around 55°C. So that is right around the threshold that you mention in Panasonic’s datasheet.

Mode 4 is already 550 lm. What would dropping it down to 500 lm do? 750 lm would still get ridiculously hot. I personally think it’s great the way that it is. That’s like limiting a supercar to 70 mi./h because excessive speed is dangerous. I think people should be informed and educated about the capabilities of a product as well as its inherent possible dangers and then have the ability to utilize that product with a risk level that is tolerable to them provided they are responsible to those around them.

As stated earlier I personally would never run this headlamp for more than five minutes on Turbo while wearing it on my head but that doesn’t mean that the product should not have the capability to run for one hour plus.
 
Knight_Light;4224521750 lm would still get ridiculously hot. I personally think it’s great the way that it is. That’s like limiting a supercar to 70 mi./h because excessive speed is dangerous. I think people should be informed and educated about the capabilities of a product as well as its inherent possible dangers and then have the ability to utilize that product with a risk level that is tolerable to them provided they are responsible to those around them. [/QUOTE said:
Very well spoken. I agree. I would rather have the full capability of the light and let the user decide thier level of comfort with risk. What if someone decided to go night riding with this light? It now has increased convection, and is strapped to the outside of a helmet. My opinion (and it is only an opinion) is that the risk of riding a bike at night exceeds the risk of the light at this point.

HOWEVER. 178F is still very hot and would require particular attention.
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jonathanluu2 said:
HOWEVER. 178F is still very hot and would require particular attention.
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Thank You. Here is a real kick in the head. The tests were done in a climate controlled room temperature setting. In a different setting it might go higher in which case it should trip the thermal safety (although I have not verified if this safety actually works). It would be interesting what kind of temperatures it will generate in subfreezing environments. In reality I think most people that are concerned with runtime will use this high output in very short bursts. I already did a bunch of night hiking with his headlamp and will be posting my opinions on all of the light levels.
 
Knight_Light said:
User interface posted.
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EDIT: I misunderstood how the interface operates - it was clarified in following posts.

Sad to say but I'm disappointed with that interface. I remember discussion about it in the marketplace thread when they couldn't tell us all the details but there where claims that it will be very good - comparable to ZL. For me it's nowhere near ZL. If I understand it correctly than you have access only to two modes (the one selected at power on and maximum) + strobe when the light is on. If you want to use any other mode you have to switch the light off, press and hold and wait for the desired mode.

Worst case scenario: you want to use not memorized Mode 4, the light is on at other mode. You have to switch light off, press and hold and wait for the light to go trough Firefly 1,Firefly 2, Mode 1, Mode 2, Mode 3 to reach Mode 4.

Is that correct? Or did I understand the instruction wrong?

Other than that it's very nice light, I like that glowing button.
 
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stp said:
For me it's nowhere near ZL. If I understand it correctly than you have access only to two modes (the one selected at power on and maximum) + strobe when the light is on. If you want to use any other mode you have to switch the light off, press and hold and wait for the desired mode.
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It is definitely different than ZL, but overall I like it and in my opinion it is better. Your interpretation of the UI is incorrect. I updated the UI in the review. I hope I was able to clarify it better than the unofficial manual.

stp said:
Worst case scenario: you want to use not memorized Mode 4, the light is on at other mode. You have to switch light off, press and hold and wait for the light to go trough Firefly 1,Firefly 2, Mode 1, Mode 2, Mode 3 to reach Mode 4.

Is that correct? Or did I understand the instruction wrong?
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A complete explanation can be seen in the review. But to answer your question let’s do worst-case scenario. So you said the light is ON (worst-case scenario it is ON and Firefly 1).
Option 1: Press & Hold. 5 seconds later you are in Mode 4.
Option 2: Double-Click. Press & Hold. 3 seconds later you are in Mode 4.

So now do the worst-case scenario for ZL to one of the deepest sublevels. “The second sub-level of the High can be configured after 6 double clicks.” That is a lot of clicking.

stp said:
Other than that it's very nice light, I like that glowing button.
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It is an awesome light. Even if you may not like the UI the output levels and the runtimes are on another level with anything in this class. The optics are awesome as well I just don’t talk about them because I haven’t been able to capture them in pictures.

The flashing button can be annoying at times even though I can see some good uses for it. Good thing you can turn it off in the settings. lol
 
Romanko said:
Looks like UI in Zebra much more easier.
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I have used both. I can honestly say that zebra light is not easier. Don't get me wrong zebra light has a nice interface. I like it and I am a fan of it. This is different and will take a little bit of time to get used to but you can easily jump to any level without much effort. I wrote an update on the UI in the review hopefully I was able to explain it a little bit better then the unofficial manual.
 
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