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Nature .com mask study.


Among the samples collected without a face mask, we found that the majority of participants with influenza virus and coronavirus infection did not shed detectable virus in respiratory droplets or aerosols, whereas for rhinovirus we detected virus in aerosols in 19 of 34 (56%) participants (compared to 4 of 10 (40%) for coronavirus and 8 of 23 (35%) for influenza). For those who did shed virus in respiratory droplets and aerosols, viral load in both tended to be low (Fig. 1). Given the high collection efficiency of the G-II (ref. 19) and given that each exhaled breath collection was conducted for 30 min, this might imply that prolonged close contact would be required for transmission to occur, even if transmission was primarily via aerosols, as has been described for rhinovirus colds20. Our results also indicate that there could be considerable heterogeneity in contagiousness of individuals with coronavirus and influenza virus infections.

The major limitation of our study was the large proportion of participants with undetectable viral shedding in exhaled breath for each of the viruses studied. We could have increased the sampling duration beyond 30 min to increase the viral shedding being captured, at the cost of acceptability in some participants. An alternative approach would be to invite participants to perform forced coughs during exhaled breath collection12. However, it was the aim of our present study to focus on recovering respiratory virus in exhaled breath in a real-life situation and we expected that some individuals during an acute respiratory illness would not cough much or at all. Indeed, we identified virus RNA in a small number of participants who did not cough at all during the 30-min exhaled breath collection, which would suggest droplet and aerosol routes of transmission are possible from individuals with no obvious signs or symptoms. Another limitation is that we did not confirm the infectivity of coronavirus or rhinovirus detected in exhaled breath. While the G-II was designed to preserve viability of viruses in aerosols, and in the present study we were able to identify infectious influenza virus in aerosols, we did not attempt to culture coronavirus or rhinovirus from the corresponding aerosol samples.

Hmmmmm. Interesting read. Didn't want to link it directly but it's easily found.
 
From what you've posted it is hard to make any conclusion other than some people have the virus and some people shed it and others don't.
 
From the CDC website:


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"Below the epidemic threshold"? :confused:


Numbers are low as it's ramping up in young populations. Eventually it moves further into/back into more vulnerable ones. Also... even less vulnerable populations can flood healthcare eventually. MS's 10 largest hospitals had no ICU capacity 2-3 days ago. Which for our state means pretty much any hospital worth visiting...
 
Well it is official..... I can no longer show my face in public without fear of breaking the law. I never would have thought growing up that hiding your face while entering a bank would be required and that showing your face in public would be illegal. What an upsidedown world we now live in..
 
am i the only one who watches the news and expects asthon kutcher to jump out and point at us saying that where punked?
 
Well it is official..... I can no longer show my face in public without fear of breaking the law. I never would have thought growing up that hiding your face while entering a bank would be required and that showing your face in public would be illegal. What an upsidedown world we now live in..

Agreed! I told the gal at my bank the other day it was rather odd coming into the bank with my face covered. Never thought I'd see the day!
 
Made a Whole Foods run this morning. They lifted the no more than 2 eggs and butter restriction, which was nice.
 
Made a Whole Foods run this morning. They lifted the no more than 2 eggs and butter restriction, which was nice.
Yes, that is nice. I am sorry to hear that your part of the country is still having food restriction issues.
We're doing pretty well here in NJ.

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A recent observance of mine.

People who I know, who really like to socialize, have tamed it back a bit.
They are comfortable with their "social circle of friends" but stand way back if they don't know you, or if you are 'safe'
That IMO is a HUGE improvement.

We have a friend. Hugely strong construction guy, one who works all day, and lifts weights 3 times a week. Watches his diet, the whole nine yards. He and his wife got hit with the virus, and could hardly talk. They survived. The effect they had on the group was enlightening. "Holy snot! If it could get HIM! It can get me, and anyone I know!

As a result, having small "social circle of friends" became important.

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OTOH, I know of those who have allowed themselves to become a member of a small circle of friends, because living in solitude became unbearable.

If people maintain small groups of friends, contact tracing will be easier.
 
I've been training for this for a long time. I've worked alone for the past 22 years.

If if I survived the bluebell shortage of '15 then this is no problem.
 
Maybe interesting and a base for the decision wearing a mask or not:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e2.htm?s_cid=mm6928e2_w

While this is interesting a few things I didn't notice.
1)How did stylist B get the virus from Stylist A? If she was wearing a mask then that spoils this "revelation"
2)Is is a lot harder to get the virus to people who aren't facing you? If they cough on your back can you get infected?
3)We assume Stylist A gave it to Stylist B, but in actuality BOTH stylists could have got is at the same time from either the same source or different sources and that source could have been a customer wearing a mask prior to this "revelation" that infected both, just one developed systems at a slower pace which lead the conclusions made herein.
4)It is possible that it actually is a lot harder to pass the virus regardless of masks than is being claimed touting masks (again) making you "safe" and that these two people were not really infecting anyone at all even though they were tested positive (false positive perhaps)
5)This is not an independent study as the CDC is not neutral on the mask issues and you probably won't see negative aspects regarding masks here other than N95 of which is not applicable to the crappy masks worn by most.
A study that would help us is someone not wearing a mask in the crowd of customers and someone not wearing a mask that is a stylist and nobody gets infected, but that study would be conveniently lost in the narrative here.
 
Made a Whole Foods run this morning. They lifted the no more than 2 eggs and butter restriction, which was nice.

Whole Foods.... There's one about 20 blocks away from me, and I'd be happier if that distance was longer. Many supermarket chains have done an admirable job of protecting their workers and cashiers from the risk of infection. Whole Foods is consistently on the news here in New York City for not doing much of anything for their workers. Among infection rates for supermarket cashiers, one guess which chain has the worst average. Whole Foods does a good job of convincing the public to pay quite a bit more for groceries by presenting itself as caring and very progressive. But actions, or in their case lack of actions in helping to protect their workers, speaks louder than words or marketing.
 
Whole Foods.... There's one about 20 blocks away from me, and I'd be happier if that distance was longer. Many supermarket chains have done an admirable job of protecting their workers and cashiers from the risk of infection. Whole Foods is consistently on the news here in New York City for not doing much of anything for their workers. Among infection rates for supermarket cashiers, one guess which chain has the worst average. Whole Foods does a good job of convincing the public to pay quite a bit more for groceries by presenting itself as caring and very progressive. But actions, or in their case lack of actions in helping to protect their workers, speaks louder than words or marketing.
Since being sold to Amazon, it has changed considerably from a customer's point of view, and I'm sure the employees don't feel much better than Amazon warehouse workers. All "essential" but treated as expendable. And if you speak out, watch out.
 
Since being sold to Amazon, it has changed considerably from a customer's point of view, and I'm sure the employees don't feel much better than Amazon warehouse workers. All "essential" but treated as expendable. And if you speak out, watch out.

People confuse 'speaking out' with disclosing pictures they should not have. Then the employer has clear grounds to fire them for breaching an employment contract. Or they spam a company-wide mailing list and get canned. The law has very clear protections for workers unless you go looking for trouble.

Now, back your regularly scheduled topic.

I washed my mask with my whites... red mask turned all my socks pink.
 
People confuse 'speaking out' with disclosing pictures they should not have. Then the employer has clear grounds to fire them for breaching an employment contract. Or they spam a company-wide mailing list and get canned. The law has very clear protections for workers unless you go looking for trouble.

Now, back your regularly scheduled topic.


I washed my mask with my whites... red mask turned all my socks pink.
As they said in the 50's, Better dead than red.I'm sure Robert Foster would agree.
 
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So, all across the city tomorrow; several public pools are going to open up. In the middle of a deadly planetary pandemic. In the most heavily infected city on the planet. But there's going to be "guidelines" in place. Which we all know everyone is going to ignore. Seriously, I'm starting to wonder if the City and State leaders are truly this moronically incompetent or if they're working intentionally with the virus.

Though it's not as though there's any type of historical records that point to what can happen when a major city re-opens too early after a deadly planetary pandemic hits. Yup! No historical evidence whatsoever Especially not in San Francisco....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ6LEc-oVPQ
 
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My biggest concern is school reopening. There's just no way your going to keep kids hugging and grabbing each other. No way. My children go to a pretty small school 550 K-12 and there's still 30-40 kids per class. And the way this spreads by the time one comes down with it the whole school will be infected.Without a vaccine, starting school up again could be catastrophic
 
My biggest concern is school reopening. There's just no way your going to keep kids hugging and grabbing each other. No way. My children go to a pretty small school 550 K-12 and there's still 30-40 kids per class. And the way this spreads by the time one comes down with it the whole school will be infected.Without a vaccine, starting school up again could be catastrophic


Oh no, it will be. Absolutely. Kids getting infected. Bringing the virus home with them.... Going up to grand-ma, giving her a hug. Hollywood couldn't write a better nightmare fuel script.
 
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