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How may you explain that number of registered COVID positives in D states is 4-5 times larger than in R states? Well, this is not a better medical treatment -- death rates are way higher in D states. The answer is here (attention, broken English):



Excerpt: a family in a D state has registered for a COVID test, but then changed their mind and cancelled the reservation (funny, the same my wifie did after I have explained her that she will enter a space that 100% will have minor virus samples). Than a "miracle" has happened -- they've got a POSITIVE result... without giving their samples to anyone.
 
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To matrixshaman. The whole HCQ thing has been beat to death. Early on that was kind of the case that people weren’t sure to use it but I know 4 people personally who were treated with it and zpack so doctors ARE using it for treatment. Nobody is holding a gun to anyone’s head and telling them what medicine to use. We all know this has been way over politicized wether we agree with eachother or not. Everyone sees that.
 
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In the first two minutes you get info about a doctor who is treating patients for Covid 19 for FREE in all 50 states by just going to his website. Out of 1900 positive cases ALL recovered using HCQ and a couple other items and only one out of the 1900 needed to be hospitalized. There was ZERO mortality rate with the patients they treated....
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So let me ask you... the double blind trials, conducted by a wide variety of accredited & reputable places, which saw negative outcomes from HCQ... those are to all be ignored and the unverified results of a single doctor, on a website known for questionable information, should be trusted instead?

Got it.

Thanks for the great information.
 
turbodog said:
So let me ask you... the double blind trials, conducted by a wide variety of accredited & reputable places, which saw negative outcomes from HCQ... those are to all be ignored and the unverified results of a single doctor, on a website known for questionable information, should be trusted instead?

Got it.

Thanks for the great information.
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But. But but. Henry Ford health system back in July said it SIGNIFICANTLY increased survival rates. Or at least someone who wants to believe that HCQ is the end all be all heal all can find that study and argue with you, especially since these are actual healthcare professionals.


https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

Once again, I’m taking no stance on anything because nothing is concrete. I do personally know 4 people treated with it and they all are alive and well but there’s SO many studies to the contrary. Here we are in this loop again of what do we believe.
 
For what it's worth, I read your link, the whole thing. I also read the followup study with 3k patients also. FYI, it's currently 'paused' as of today.

If I mentally say 'I want to believe' and look at your HCQ study I eventually notice some severe problems.

These problems are logistics... the same problems that any drug has to address. You can aggressively monitor a small group of study patients for heart and eye damage (HCQ can cause both). It's another thing entirely to do this for the population at large.

People confuse what _can_ work for a small group of people and what _must_ work for 300+ million.

Direct quote from doctor running the trial:

"Currently, the drug should be used only in hospitalized patients with appropriate monitoring, and as part of study protocols, in accordance with all relevant federal regulations,” Dr. Zervos said."

I'm not going into the HCQ efficacy. I'm pointing out the huge problem with using _any_ drug that requires this level of caution for it to 1) be effective and 2) not make things worse.
 
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turbodog said:
So let me ask you... the double blind trials, conducted by a wide variety of accredited & reputable places, which saw negative outcomes from HCQ... those are to all be ignored and the unverified results of a single doctor, on a website known for questionable information, should be trusted instead?

Got it.

Thanks for the great information.
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HCQ is very very inexpensive. Other Covid-19 treatments are expensive. Follow the money. Big Pharma has paid for studies to stop HCQ use. I thought everyone knew about these:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/04...t-raised-safety-concerns-about-malaria-drugs/


https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/08...uses-attention-and-the-fda-may-pay-the-price/
 
oh im not arguing with you at all turbodog. I was just saying somebody somewhere would see that and say WELL THESE GUYS SAY IT WORKED. Thats what ive been saying the whole time. There is such a huge maze of info out there that people get lost in.
 
The bigger issue with using HCQ is this.

Whether or not HCQ is effective at treating covid, and the studies show it's not any better than other treatments, the hoarding of supplies is causing problems for those with conditions for which the drug is known to be effective. Malaria deaths, which are over 400K annually, could well spike due to shortages of HCQ.

On another note, I heard this joke:

When told the drug was for treating malaria, Trump said "If it's good enough for the first lady it's good enough for me." :crackup::laughing::crackup:
 
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...There is such a huge maze of info out there that people get lost in.
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So what do 'we' do? Right?

I think 'we' try to help 'them'... which is actually 'us' helping each other to quash bad info and spread/promote accurate info.

It's incredibly hard for the average citizen to effectively read, understand, and act on what is a fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants research environment right now. Not that it's "easy" any other time either.

Does HCQ work at all? For everyone? Moot question at this time...

jtr1962 said:
The bigger issue with using HCQ is this.

Whether or not HCQ is effective at treating covid, and the studies show it's not any better than other treatments, the hoarding of supplies is causing problems for those with conditions for which the drug is known to be effective. Malaria deaths, which are over 400K annually, could well spike due to shortages of HCQ.

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In addition... if people think there is a quick, cheap, miracle cure how do you think they will act? Like children... which will swamp healthcare.

Our state's number have doubled in the past 2 weeks. And given the delays between gov't order, people taking action, incubation, diagnosis, etc we are looking at another doubling, and that's _IF_ we act now, which we aren't.
 
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About a month ago, New Jersey had about 300 new cases a day for months, for the past 5 days it's been over a thousand. Today almost 1,200.
One of the middle schools in my town went full virtual until Monday, and Newark, NJ has extended it's total virtual until January.

Our Governor says that the uptick is not related to opening the schools, but in a large part, due to people being more social and entertaining groups indoors.
 
Poppy said:
Our Governor says that the uptick is not related to opening the schools, but in a large part, due to people being more social and entertaining groups indoors.
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Yeah the temp drops 15° and the trail I ride on almost every night is empty. The YMCA parking lot I ride past is now packed so everyone is inside working out. Suck it up and keep outside nancy boy, it's not 30° yet!
 
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Yeah the temp drops 15° and the trail I ride on almost every night is empty. The YMCA parking lot I ride past is now packed so everyone is inside working out. Suck it up and keep outside nancy boy, it's not 30° yet!
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+1

So many people are wimps when it comes to the cold. I love riding in the winter. So much nicer than the summer. You just have to dress for it.
 
people think im nuts im walking around outside barefoot and shorts till its gets below 50 f. i love winter no more hot days
 
raggie, Auditioning for dual survivor?

Not me, living and working in an air conditioned environment (that means heat in the winter too :) ) has made me prefer to be comfortable and less tolerant of heat and cold temps. My comfort zone is 68 F to 74 F. :)

I CAN be outdoors in cold temps, especially if I layer up.
 
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raggie, Auditioning for dual survivor?

Not me, living and working in an air conditioned environment (that means heat in the winter too :) ) has made me prefer to be comfortable and less tolerant of heat and cold temps. My comfort zone is 68 F to 74 F. :)

I CAN be outdoors in cold temps, especially if I layer up.
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i was just watching yesterday lol and im thinking bare foot guy has a few screws loose lol. i understand if your teraiin was controled pavement grass etc etc. but not knowing what terain is im going to see i want boots. but i still love the show.
 
Cody Lundin... I actually read a couple of his books. Interesting, the guy's got knowledge. A bit whacky, er yeah.
Matt is also entertaining, and pleasant to watch.

Joe Teti, and the other "x military" Dave Canterbury are a bit on the dramatic side.
 
New record number of new cases in a single day in the United States with estimates now reaching 500,000 deaths by February of next year. And what is the current administration doing? Absolutely nothing. What a legacy.
 
ledbetter said:
New record number of new cases in a single day in the United States with estimates now reaching 500,000 deaths by February of next year. And what is the current administration doing? Absolutely nothing. What a legacy.
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They're making it worse actually with their "superspreader" rallies. I thought there were bans on large gatherings, especially without masks or social distancing? That means everyone, including the President of the United States.
 
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