Coronavirus - II

[WarriorOfLight]

Currently the number of infections is rising everywhere... :( ... that is bad, really bad.

The more interesting point is that my government starts to plan the vaccination that seems to ne in Q2 or Q3 2021. The point is that the vaccine will not be enough for all of the citizens in my country. Therefore it will be a long shot until ~60% are vaccinated.

That problem will be in each country. There are 7.000.000.000 vaccination doses needed for all of us on this pale blue dot...

 

[turbodog]

Speaking about logistics of vaccinations...

If ~3% of the US has been/is infected, and unconfirmed to confirmed is about 10:1, then we have 30% that have some level of protection.

So, in the short term, that means we need to vaccinate another 50% to get fairly close to herd immunity.

This makes things somewhat easier.

 

[Poppy]

About a month ago, New Jersey had about 300 new cases a day for months, for the past 5 days it's been over a thousand. Today almost 1,200.
One of the middle schools in my town went full virtual until Monday, and Newark, NJ has extended it's total virtual until January.

Our Governor says that the uptick is not related to opening the schools, but in a large part, due to people being more social and entertaining groups indoors.

Today it was announced that yesterday there were 1,995 new cases. We haven't seen that many new cases in a single day since May.

It is unfathomable to me, that people are planning to go trick or treating.

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

While speaking with one of the teachers at our church operated school yesterday, I was told her students are healthier than during previous years. Everyone on campus is screened every morning before being allowed to enter the buildings, everyone wears a mask or face shield, hand washing and sanitizer are being greatly encouraged, and, of course, social distancing is being enforced.

The teacher has 26 1st grade students. She told me they understand the reason for all the new procedures and they and their parents are happy with how school is being conducted.

 

[vadimax]

Weird times: in order to stay healthy you need to hate people :)

 

[scout24]

I don't see that as true, just inflammatory...

 

[Johnnyh]

While speaking with one of the teachers at our church operated school yesterday, I was told her students are healthier than during previous years. Everyone on campus is screened every morning before being allowed to enter the buildings, everyone wears a mask or face shield, hand washing and sanitizer are being greatly encouraged, and, of course, social distancing is being enforced.

The teacher has 26 1st grade students. She told me they understand the reason for all the new procedures and they and their parents are happy with how school is being conducted.

Four of my Grandbabies are enrolled in a school run by their family church as well...they go full time...no distance learning. They practice all the good anti- COVID practices and things are going nicely. I’m thankful. They’re doing a spectacular job keeping those kids and their families safe while continuing to educate. Those teachers, administrators and maintenance folks are real heroes!

 

[turbodog]

We have reliable word that local pharmacy w/ take delivery of vaccines by next weekend. I suppose this is deployment in anticipation of having an approved candidate.

I have not been tracking much of anything to do with this effort, focusing mainly on tracking/projecting stats.

Where does development stand?

 

[motigg]

We won’t see vaccine widely available until middle of 2021 at the earliest. Front line health care workers and other priority groups may get it early 2021, but in limited numbers. No way your local pharmacy will see any by next weekend.

 

[PhotonWrangler]

Two of the leading vaccine candidates that use mRNA require unusually low transport and storage temperatures, which will mean new equipment at the pharmacies and special shipping logistics.

 

[turbodog]

We won’t see vaccine widely available until middle of 2021 at the earliest. Front line health care workers and other priority groups may get it early 2021, but in limited numbers. No way your local pharmacy will see any by next weekend.

So when I have direct confirmation from the person that was notified of shipping (already) then I must have dreamed it.

I'm not saying it's for public distribution, or not. I'm simply saying there's _something_ coming down the pipe, for better or worse.

 

[Lynx_Arc]

We have reliable word that local pharmacy w/ take delivery of vaccines by next weekend. I suppose this is deployment in anticipation of having an approved candidate.

I have not been tracking much of anything to do with this effort, focusing mainly on tracking/projecting stats.

Where does development stand?

Probably regular flu vaccines as there has been talk about recommending people get flu vaccines so that less people get regular flu which can help to not overload hospitals with both flu and Covid 19 too.

 

[turbodog]

Y'all must have missed a lot of my prior posts.

I found it questionable myself, asked for confirmation again, and was confirmed c-19 vaccines were on the way, slated to arrived on/before next weekend.

 

[motigg]

Haven't followed you earlier posts. I'm basing what I say on the most recent stories regarding where we're at with development, and on conversations with people who follow this stuff very closely (as part of my work). I've heard nothing about COVID vaccines being available in American pharmacies next week, in any amount. Pfizer and Moderna announced just a few days ago that the earliest they could apply for authorization is late November.

 

[turbodog]

Don't have an answer for you. I don't follow vaccine stuff... but would have said that we won't see any till 1q2021, at any level.

Might be a pilot program thing. Don't know. If anything reliable and interesting comes by me, will pass it along.

 

[bigburly912]

There are no approved vaccines yet. There is a newly approved drug for treatment however named remdesivir, it’s an injection. It is NOT a vaccine. That’s pretty bad info to be spreading as much as you try to chastise people. Only a few countries have approved any vaccines so far including China and Russia.

 

[Poppy]

(CNN)The federal government has made a deal with retail pharmacies CVS and Walgreens to help distribute coronavirus vaccine -- once one or more gets authorized -- to long-term care facilities like nursing homes, federal officials said Friday, October 16, 2020.

more....

 

[bigburly912]

That’s actually pretty nice if the vaccines prove successful. I’m sure everyone has a CVS or Walgreens in or near their community.

 

[motigg]

Though Remdesivir has recently been approved, the large SOLIDARITY trial in the UK showed it to have no clinical benefits. It’s not clear that the approval here in the US was clinically justified or if it’s just another example of health agencies buckling under political pressure. That question will remain difficult to answer until there is a new administration, whenever that may be. Another problem is around 30-40% of Americans say they won’t take a vaccine because they don’t trust it will be safe and effective. Depending on efficacy rates we may need 50-75% uptake rates to really get the pandemic under control. And the logistical challenges of getting 750 million (if it’s two shots per person) shots in arms are significant. I’m classified as an educator and so may get mine a bit earlier than members of other groups, but I don’t expect to receive a shot until middle of the year at the earliest. I fear it’s going to be a difficult, ugly winter.

 

[turbodog]

There are no approved vaccines yet. There is a newly approved drug for treatment however named remdesivir, it’s an injection. It is NOT a vaccine. That’s pretty bad info to be spreading as much as you try to chastise people. Only a few countries have approved any vaccines so far including China and Russia.

Go back and read what I posted. Did not say it was approved. When it was stated, person was asked what they said, and they re-stated shipment of them is inbound. I guess it's possible to ship them out in anticipation of an approved candidate. If approval fails, they are sent back and destroyed.

That's all the current info I have on this. If/when I have something else I will follow up.

Followup: Just went back my source that was in the room when the announcement was made from the person responsible for 'placing the order'. There was sort of stunned silence with mouths hanging open. We will see what happens...