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I stand by my original post. You're just one election away from "not doing anything wrong" to being arrested.

Has everyone already forgotten about 5 years ago? Are your memories THAT short?

United Kingdom
The Derbyshire "Blue Water" Drones
Police in Derbyshire used drones to track down two women walking separately in a remote countryside area, then posted the footage online as a deterrent. The women were miles apart, completely alone, and the police force publicly shamed them for "exercising" near a beauty spot. When the footage surfaced of officers dying blue dye into a lagoon to prevent swimming, the absurdity became international news.

The Woman Arrested for Sitting on a Bench
A woman in Bournemouth was arrested and handcuffed for the crime of sitting on a park bench reading a book. She wasn't near anyone. She wasn't protesting. She was literally just sitting. The arrest was captured on video and went viral.

Two Women Fined for Hugging
Two friends who hadn't seen each other in months hugged in a park. Police issued them both £200 fines. Meanwhile, politicians were attending garden parties.

The Child's Lemonade Stand
A father and his young daughter were threatened with arrest and fines for operating a lemonade stand on their own property. The police claimed it constituted an unlicensed business and violated lockdown rules. A child selling 50p cups of lemonade.

United States
The Father Playing Catch with His Daughter
A man in Idaho was arrested for taking his daughter to a closed playground to play catch. Police booked him on misdemeanor charges. He wasn't protesting. He wasn't in a crowd. Just a father and daughter with a baseball.

The Surfer in Malibu
A man was arrested at gunpoint by LAPD for surfing alone in the ocean. Armed officers on the beach, weapons drawn, for a man on a surfboard. The optics were so bad the DA declined to prosecute.

The Kayaker
In California, a man kayaking alone in the Pacific was arrested by harbor patrol and charged with violating stay-at-home orders. He was literally in the middle of the ocean.

The Pastor Arrested for Drive-In Church
Pastor Rodney Howard-Browne in Florida was arrested for holding drive-in church services where attendees stayed in their cars with windows up. He was charged with unlawful assembly and violating public health orders. The charges were later dropped.

San Diego Protester Arrests
Two organizers of a small anti-lockdown protest were arrested and held on $50,000 bail each — more than many violent offenders face. The DA eventually dropped the charges, but not before they spent time in jail.

The Hairdresser
Shelley Luther, a Texas salon owner, was arrested and sentenced to seven days in jail for reopening her salon. A judge offered to reduce the sentence if she apologized. She refused. She became a folk hero and the Texas Supreme Court ultimately ordered her release.

Australia
The Pregnant Woman Arrested for a Social Media Post
A pregnant woman in Victoria was arrested by counter-terrorism police at her home in front of her children for posting on Facebook about an anti-lockdown protest she planned to attend. She hadn't actually attended anything. She was charged with incitement.

The Man Tasered for Not Wearing a Mask
A man in a regional Victorian town was tasered by police after he refused to wear a mask while walking alone on a near-empty street. The video shows him backing away from officers with his hands up when they deployed the taser.

Canada
The Pastor and the Church Services
Pastor James Coates in Alberta was arrested and spent over a month in jail for holding church services. His church had implemented COVID protocols including distancing and capacity limits, but Alberta's restrictions on religious gatherings were so severe that even that wasn't enough. He was held in solitary confinement for part of his detention.

The Pastor Who Was Fined More Than a Mass Murderer
Pastor Artur Pawlowski in Calgary was fined over $23,000 for holding outdoor church services. For comparison, a convicted mass murderer in Canada faced a lower fine for entirely unrelated offenses, and some violent offenders walked with fines smaller than what was levied against peaceful worshippers.

Germany
The Child's Birthday Party
In Bavaria, police broke up a 4-year-old's birthday party and fined the family. The guests were a handful of other children from the same apartment building. The family was also threatened with having the child taken into protective custody.

France
Joggers Fined
During France's strict lockdown, you needed a signed government permission form to leave your house. People were fined €135 for jogging too far from home, for walking their dog at the wrong time of day, or for forgetting their papers. One man was fined for jogging at 6:45 am — 15 minutes before the permitted exercise window opened.

Italy
The Man Walking His Dog 200 Meters
A man in Italy was fined €280 for walking his dog too far from home. He had gone approximately 200 meters. The dog, one assumes, was indifferent to the legal proceedings.

New Zealand
The Man Who Drove 5km to Surf
A man was arrested for driving 5 kilometers from his home to go surfing alone. New Zealand's lockdown prohibited "non-essential travel" and solitary surfing was deemed a non-essential activity. The charges were eventually dismissed.

The common thread across all of these: zero COVID transmission risk in any of these scenarios, yet police resources were deployed, lives disrupted, and criminal records created. Meanwhile, actual violent crime clearance rates in many of these jurisdictions dropped during the same period. The enforcement apparatus had found a new, compliant target population: ordinary people going about their lives.
 
So I can already hear someone say, "What does your post have to do with Flock?" It's the same issue: An abuse of power.

The Fourth Amendment wasn't written for a world where your movements across an entire city are logged, timestamped, and searchable without a warrant. But here we are. So here's some Flock-specific examples:

Ticketing People for Expired Registration
Multiple departments have been caught using Flock cameras to auto-flag expired registrations and mail out citations. In some jurisdictions, this became a revenue engine — officers weren't solving crimes, they were running a automated taxation-by-citation scheme.

Civil Asset Forfeiture Fishing
Police in several states have used Flock data to flag out-of-state plates and then pull those vehicles over on thin pretexts, searching for cash to seize under civil asset forfeiture. The pattern is so consistent it's become a known tactic — target vehicles from states with looser cannabis laws, find cash, seize it, and the owner has to spend more than the cash is worth to get it back.

False Matches with Real Consequences
Multiple auto journalists driving Jaguar Land Rover press vehicles were stopped by police after a California production studio reported one plate missing and the information entered into the system was incomplete. The plate "34 03 DTM" was incorrectly entered as just "34 DTM," causing Flock to flag every JLR press plate starting and ending with those characters. One journalist was surrounded by four officers in a parking lot. Another endured a 90-minute stop in 98-degree heat. Flock's own chief communications officer admitted the system "worked correctly" — it was asked to find "34 DTM" and it found every plate containing those characters. A 99% accuracy rate scanning 20 billion vehicles per month still means 200 million mistakes per month.

Kansas Town Uses License Plate Readers to Go After Man Who Wrote Op-Ed
Police in Lenexa, Kansas used automated license plate reader (ALPR) technology to pursue a man who wrote a critical op-ed about the police department. This is a clear example of the kind of abuse I'm talking about. Police began using license plate readers to track Ashworth's movements around town, and several weeks after his op-ed, the police chief emailed patrol officers to announce a "be on the lookout for" (BOLO) alert for Ashworth.

Perhaps most ominously, when issuing the BOLO the chief declared "This is MYOC," meaning "make your own case" — which in turn meant essentially, "there is no arrest warrant for him so look for any reason to stop him" and, as the deputy police chief at the time put it, "You need to build your own probable cause, your own reasonable suspicion."

Flock cameras represent a fundamental shift in policing philosophy: from investigating specific crimes with probable cause to mass surveillance of everyone, all the time, just in case. The database grows by millions of plates per day across thousands of jurisdictions. The stated purpose is solving serious crimes — stolen vehicles, Amber Alerts, violent felonies. The reality is that the vast majority of searches have nothing to do with serious crime.

Once the infrastructure exists, the temptation to use it for everything else is irresistible. And because the data is stored for 30 days (or longer, depending on the agency's retention policy), it creates a searchable history of everyone's movements — not because you're suspected of anything, but because you exist in public.
 
There was already few cases when flock made false ID, and innocent people had been affected. Worst part responders did not do due diligence and confirm, they just used force indiscriminately as it was 100% good intel. They just do not care, no consequences for them, there is a lot wrong with "justice system" which is more of a prison cartel rather than anything to do with justice, flock is just 1 aspect of it, Flock absolutely must be responsible for its mistakes.
This is what I was trying to explain by officers over the top behavior and why many officers get in trouble. I have seen it hundreds of times. Bad guy has a warrant and they send a few hot heads to bust his door at 2am. There is all kinds of screaming and drama for what....a simple warrant? I have never understood why they do not watch the location and grab the guy when he goes to the gas station or anywhere else nearby. It is all done I believe for nothing more than the rush and ego of a few tough guys playing super hero. I have done many high risk entries and although I understand we need to get the bad guy I never understood why we never fought smarter rather than harder.

I have been told my entire career that is is the "tactical advantage" that determines our actions. I understand the logic however if it is really about tactical advantage why the rush? If there is no immediate danger just watch and wait for the target to become more easily available. Wait until you know he is home alone and no other innocent people inside....maybe when he is cutting grass or even in the shower. I have long argued that there are better ways yet the tactical guys want to go all out regardless.

Look at the case of the executive Bryan Malinowski who was killed in a police raid. Yes I feel he was most likely guilty however he had no history and was suspected of several weapons violations. They chose to raid his home where he fired a shot and was killed. Now yes if he fired at Officers I understand why deadly force was used however did it have to go down like this. If tactical advantage was really required why go after him at his home where he has the most access to weapons. Maybe go get him at work during an innocent meeting or maybe a fake traffic stop on his lunch break? It seems like there were so many better options yet the tough guy tactical type figured otherwise and all hell broke loose when they did it their way.

This is why I have never been on any tactical or Swat team as I just do not like the ego they put off. In my opinion real police are patrolmen that are level headed with empathy and compassion when available. Yes if force is needed so be it yet it is never the first choice for any good street cop. The same applies to Flock detections. Maybe it is a good idea to just follow the car for a moment or even pull beside it and see what is inside before you swarm it with guns drawn. Again if tactical advantage is really the best way I say there are much better ways to do things yet the tactical guys would call me an old timer who does not understand. To them I say listen to the old saying of "Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young"
 
If tactical advantage was really required why go after him at his home where he has the most access to weapons. Maybe go get him at work during an innocent meeting or maybe a fake traffic stop on his lunch break? It seems like there were so many better options yet the tough guy tactical type figured otherwise and all hell broke loose when they did it their way.
THIS. I'd much rather deal with an adversary in neutral territory.

Every single time I've been in an uncomfortable situation involving weapons, it's been in the adversary's turf, where they had numerous advantages over me/us. It's always amazing the odd places people will stash weapons. At one of the places I worked, they were stored in equipment racks, with even the LEOs using our racks and cabinets for storage.
 
In theory Flock could help by tracking people. but the problem is it does not track just people who police are looking for, it tracks everyone all the time. It is also extremely easy to fabricate fake evidence, a flock print out of your moving history can be edited and few other locations inserted which would make a case for a DA that otherwise would fall apart, worst thing it will be next to impossible to prove they lied, It has happened before, detectives and DA did fake evidence, and even when caught no one got even a slap on the wrist.
 
In the police world rather it be actual hands on arrests, surveillance, traffic stops or just about anything else you can think of I have seen many times where it was just way too much. I have to admit that many police start with good intentions and some just go overboard. Every dept has that guy...you know the guy that puts the punisher symbol on his vest and gets a "blue line" tattoo. The guy that goes to every "swat" class they can find and just walks around like they are Captain America. They will also have many photos on their social media wearing night vision goggles or fully decked out in swat gear. Why I ask is this at all needed other than for a very fragile ego.

Then there is the guy who writes 50 tickets a month for the slightest violation and is quick to tell everyone how much of a hard worker he is. In his mind he is literally a super cop while everyone else is outdated and lazy. The real cops are humble and know when to actually police and when to just ease up a little. The people that abuse their positions are making it very hard for the decent cops out here. The media never shows the humble hard working officers yet they will give the front page to an idiot tracking his girlfriend.

It is these fragile power hungry few that make society not trust the decent police who actually use the tools to stop crime. In the last two days we have had a vehicle involved in several armed robberies throughout my area. The vehicle hit several counties and was tracked on Flock from Alabama all the way to Florida. The vehicle used backroads so the tracking was spotty at best. They did not stay in Florida long and took the same route back. We got them on Flock again entering the county returning to this area. We set up a few vehicles and got them within minutes of entering out county. It was a simple relaxed approach when they stopped at a gas station. No drama no unexpected surprises and no one hurt. We positively identified the suspects on scene as we already had their names and video of their faces from the scene of their latest robbery.

This is how Flock is supposed to work yet again leave it to a few idiots to find a way to abuse it. My favorite saying to give to young officers is to remember "just because you can does not mean you should". Yes technically you can write that grandmother a ticket for rolling through the stop sign however is it really needed. Yes we can kick that door open and rush in on a simple warrant however should we? Yes we technically "can" do all sorts of things under the name of the law however should we? That car load of idiots drag racing through town should get hammered yet that single mother headed home from work at 10 miles over the limit should get a flash of the overhead lights and a simple smile as a warning.
 
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Minority Report was released in 2002
..how systems come the conclusion you were going to commit a crime, and were arrested.
There's more to it than that, just don't want to give away the movie.

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then there is stuff like this:

https://atlantablackstar.com/2026/03/01/kentucky-cops-killed-innocent-man-over-stolen-weed-eater/

Man shot to death in his own home when police raided the wrong address at midnight with a no knock warrant*, looking to recover a weed whacker stolen from the county executive's garage. The guy who stole the weed wacker had confessed and was already in custody, it was just a matter of recovering the weed whacker.

If I remember correctly the cops involved were out of their jurisdiction and were not wearing body cams.

* There is some question if the supposed warrant even exists as the police have refused to release it.
 
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This is what I was trying to explain by officers over the top behavior and why many officers get in trouble. I have seen it hundreds of times. Bad guy has a warrant and they send a few hot heads to bust his door at 2am. There is all kinds of screaming and drama for what....a simple warrant? I have never understood why they do not watch the location and grab the guy when he goes to the gas station or anywhere else nearby. It is all done I believe for nothing more than the rush and ego of a few tough guys playing super hero. I have done many high risk entries and although I understand we need to get the bad guy I never understood why we never fought smarter rather than harder.

I have been told my entire career that is is the "tactical advantage" that determines our actions. I understand the logic however if it is really about tactical advantage why the rush? If there is no immediate danger just watch and wait for the target to become more easily available. Wait until you know he is home alone and no other innocent people inside....maybe when he is cutting grass or even in the shower. I have long argued that there are better ways yet the tactical guys want to go all out regardless.

Look at the case of the executive Bryan Malinowski who was killed in a police raid. Yes I feel he was most likely guilty however he had no history and was suspected of several weapons violations. They chose to raid his home where he fired a shot and was killed. Now yes if he fired at Officers I understand why deadly force was used however did it have to go down like this. If tactical advantage was really required why go after him at his home where he has the most access to weapons. Maybe go get him at work during an innocent meeting or maybe a fake traffic stop on his lunch break? It seems like there were so many better options yet the tough guy tactical type figured otherwise and all hell broke loose when they did it their way.

This is why I have never been on any tactical or Swat team as I just do not like the ego they put off. In my opinion real police are patrolmen that are level headed with empathy and compassion when available. Yes if force is needed so be it yet it is never the first choice for any good street cop. The same applies to Flock detections. Maybe it is a good idea to just follow the car for a moment or even pull beside it and see what is inside before you swarm it with guns drawn. Again if tactical advantage is really the best way I say there are much better ways to do things yet the tactical guys would call me an old timer who does not understand. To them I say listen to the old saying of "Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young"
Fully agree...Unless there's an active violent crime being committed at the house, contact should be made away from the dwelling place...that way, it's not an "ambush" for either party. Everything you've said so far is level headed, and requires a certain level of faith in humanity to remain rational.
 
Well, that leaves me out ..... and get off my lawn!
"Salty" is often used to describe someone who has snapped under the weight of life..."Seasoned" is often used to describe someone who has persisted under the weight of life...The quality of a person's integrity and strength, NOT the amount of seasoning, determines whether the seasoning is adequate. I just learned another lesson in spiritual vs. physical.
 
then there is stuff like this:

https://atlantablackstar.com/2026/03/01/kentucky-cops-killed-innocent-man-over-stolen-weed-eater/

Man shot to death in his own home when police raided the wrong address at midnight with a no knock warrant*, looking to recover a weed whacker stolen from the mayor's garage. The guy who stole the weed wacker had confessed and was already in custody, it was just a matter of recovering the weed whacker.

If I remember correctly the cops involved where out of their jurisdiction and were not wearing body cams.

* There is some question if the supposed warrant even exists as the police have refused to release it.
We only find out about it when it results in death or serious injury, but how many times it was just a wrong arrest based on almost nothing that ruined a person life? I bet there are thousands more of these type of power abuse vs death.
 
"Salty" is often used to describe someone who has snapped under the weight of life..."Seasoned" is often used to describe someone who has persisted under the weight of life...The quality of a person's integrity and strength, NOT the amount of seasoning, determines whether the seasoning is adequate. I just learned another lesson in spiritual vs. physical.
My meter's indicator hand bounces back and forth from seasoned to salty, but mostly toward the salty area. The older I get the more disappointed I am with myself.
 
We only find out about it when it results in death or serious injury, but how many times it was just a wrong arrest based on almost nothing that ruined a person life? I bet there are thousands more of these type of power abuse vs death.
A Flock related case:

https://globemagazine.com/innocent-...fatal-hit-and-run-probe-focused-on-wrong-car/

The idea that these errors are no big deal as long as they eventually get straightened out is ridiculous. Lindsey had her car impounded for months, was arrested for among other things, 3 counts of vehicular homicide, ordered held without bail and placed in solitary confinement. All without any evidence aside from a flock hit that placed her a few miles from the crash that night and the testimony of a couple of troopers who claimed her vehicle had damage consistent with the crash, when in fact her car had no damage at all and her tag did not match the partial given by the eye witness.

If another suspect was not located, it is likely that Lindsey would still be in jail looking at a possible 30 + year prison sentence.
 
Clearly police do not give a frack to confirm, they even lied on reports, saying her car had damage while it did not, I wonder if any of those cops got charged with perjury, I bet not even a slap on the wrist.
 
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In my State regarding Flock:

  • Dane County: Supervisors voted to cut funding, leading to the removal of campus and county-associated units.
  • Sturgeon Bay: The city council refused to renew its contract after public pushback.
  • Appleton & Oshkosh: Decided to drop or phase out their agreements with Flock Safety.
  • UW-Madison: Campus police deactivated and removed their eight controversial Flock cameras.
  • Verona: Formally terminated its contract
 
Actually KGB would not allow any private company to spy on entire nation, nor they needed it, KGB was not about crime, or public safety, it was about ideology, they also had agents everywhere, every school had a so called political officer, who had informants, who was not a member of KGB directly, but was reporting to local politburo chapter, every factory had one too, and people loved to write anonymous reports about their neighbors and even friends.
Unfortunately, very true. All of it.
It's simple.... anything that can be converted into a weapon, Humanity will do so.
Any technology that can be used to spy on others, Humanity will do so.
Any benefits that technology offers, MUST be weighed against its abuses.
 
No, I don't condone vandalism. Nor do I condone the stupidity of filming oneself committing acts of vandalism, and then posting it online for others to see. But here we are with the latest Tik-Tok trend. Yes, it's a cesspool of a website:
 
Clearly police do not give a frack to confirm, they even lied on reports, saying her car had damage while it did not, I wonder if any of those cops got charged with perjury, I bet not even a slap on the wrist.
they have destroyed their credibility. If the new suspect case goes to trial, these trooper's testimony will be used to try to establish reasonable doubt that Lindsey may have caused the crash.

It also opens up the opportunity for appeals for defendants convicted on the basis of these trooper's testimony in the past and makes it difficult for them to testify credibly in future cases.

Obviously, instead of running down all of the leads, everyone focused on Lindsey because she was the one flock hit on.
 
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