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Just called SF...

No release date yet for the Arc 1 or 2.

She said maybe next year.









Maybe next year? This after they told the other guy, 'around December.' :crazy:

This brings me to my rare but primary gripe with SF, which is listing products in their catalog years before they can deliver, if they even ever intended to in the first place. Obviously I realize that the rising and setting sun isn't depended on SF product releases but which person doesn't experience some level of disappointment when highly anticipated products don't come to fruition?

Relating to this, I wonder how many calls they have to answer from people who are simply inquiring about when 2008-2009 products will be available and how that plays into the cause and effect ramifications for customer service with regards to manpower. It seems to me they could skip or reduce the advertising of speculative product fluff and instead hire someone to respond to email, for example. The CPF community is of course privileged to know that sending and email to SF is generally regarded as futility but I can't help but to think of all the unenlightened who labor in anticipation with the expectation of 21st century customer service. Just the other day some poor soul who was having problems with his M3 made his first posts in several threads generally calling SF the anti-Christ due to their lack of response to his dilemma. Like most regular people, he didn't realize that you have to call them because most responsible companies as large as SF are good about responding to email within 24-48 hours. Once he phoned, the problem was resolved quickly and he praised SF for the help.

I'm not sure if I was ranting or not but if so, it's over...for now. :whistle:
 
Maybe next year? This after they told the other guy, 'around December.' :crazy:

This brings me to my rare but primary gripe with SF, which is listing products in their catalog years before they can deliver, if they even ever intended to in the first place. Obviously I realize that the rising and setting sun isn't depended on SF product releases but which person doesn't experience some level of disappointment when highly anticipated products don't come to fruition?

Relating to this, I wonder how many calls they have to answer from people who are simply inquiring about when 2008-2009 products will be available and how that plays into the cause and effect ramifications for customer service with regards to manpower. It seems to me they could skip or reduce the advertising of speculative product fluff and instead hire someone to respond to email, for example. The CPF community is of course privileged to know that sending and email to SF is generally regarded as futility but I can't help but to think of all the unenlightened who labor in anticipation with the expectation of 21st century customer service. Just the other day some poor soul who was having problems with his M3 made his first posts in several threads generally calling SF the anti-Christ due to their lack of response to his dilemma. Like most regular people, he didn't realize that you have to call them because most responsible companies as large as SF are good about responding to email within 24-48 hours. Once he phoned, the problem was resolved quickly and he praised SF for the help.

I'm not sure if I was ranting or not but if so, it's over...for now. :whistle:

On the other hand, maybe SF gauges which lights to produce based on how many release date inquiry calls they receive? :thinking:
 
Any news on the development/release of these?

:popcorn:

-Robert



DaFAB
Just called SF...

No release date yet for the Arc 1 or 2.

"She said maybe next year."
Isn't that exact enough for you? :nana::wave::grin2:

I'm being waggish, of course... :)
 
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C'mon next year!!

:naughty:



Do you mean next year as in 2010 or a year from now meaning 2011??:whistle:

I love my Hellfighter, but I really hope these will be priced a little more toward the consumer and they are supposed to be brighter!!
Just as long as they get it right....Only time will tell.....:popcorn:
 
I don't know what year :whistle:

I am too hopeful that they will be more affordable!

I'm keen on the Arc 2! :devil:
 
I love my Hellfighter, but I really hope these will be priced a little more toward the consumer and they are supposed to be brighter!!
Just as long as they get it right....Only time will tell.....:popcorn:



...and who wouldn't love it, right? I mean, their HID's have always been the among the cream but untouchable for most people. Many that exist in member's hands around here were purchased second hand at greatly depreciated prices. Hopefully they'll get it right as you say. I should would like to see them on the HID map again.
 
Isn't that exact enough for you? :nana::wave::grin2:

I'm be waggish, of course... :)

Haha, yeah I know, patience...patience... :D

SF is pretty good at testing my patience though... :)

I just wish we would at least find out ballpark pricing. This way a lot of us would be able to know whether or not it might be a possibility if/when they are released.

I'm probably alone on this, but I still have hope that it will come in around $1000 (at least for the ARC1). This is based on the mention of the "$1000 flashlight" in the Dr. Matthews interview from the 2008 SHOT show. Maybe I'm just reading into it though...

-Robert
 
I bet that the arcs will be at LEAST 3 grand. isnt the beast like 5? unless they are trying to get more of the general public to be able to afford them. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
I bet that the arcs will be at LEAST 3 grand. isnt the beast like 5? unless they are trying to get more of the general public to be able to afford them. I guess we'll have to wait and see.



I'm guessing at least 2K+ also just because of what's involved in producing American made products.



The parts and materials, machining and other aspects of business running and profits leave me doubtful it could ever come in under that. I think Mac of Mac's Customs burned well over a grand on parts and materials for his dual mode 50W and that's to say nothing about his labor time invested. I'm just guessing, but if he put 20 hours of labor into that light I could see where he wouldn't want to sell one for any less than 2K and he's just builder that doesn't have to pay for a lot of overhead.

Whatever the price, it would would be nice to have the option to purchase on. On paper, the ARC2 is really my style where the BeastII never quite was for me. The form factor just missed the mark for me personally but like all SF products I can appreciate them regardless of my preferences.
 
I've been watching the shot show thread but nothing about the ARCs so far.
 
The Arc lights are kind of on the back burner at the moment as Surefire is working on other projects.



Historically, "soon" means a year plus for SF, so I fear that "back burner" could mean never. It's not that we don't have other product choices, it's just that as a SF fan myself, I love to see new products become available to us.
 
I don't think you'll find them for sale any time soon. On the backburner for the moment from what I understand.
 
I had a nice talk in person with a SF rep today and he basically told me that there was no development happening at all with regards to the ARC1 & 2 lights. He basically said that the models were either dead or that they're so far back on the burner that I might as well not even ask. That was about the final confirmation that I needed to go ahead and take his advice, of "not even asking" about these lights.

A bit of a shame considering how nice the ones in the catalog looked. Judging by their size, SF probably figured out early on that there would be thermal problems, especially at the 50W setting. By comparison, the Beast/II were massive compared to the ARCs and less powerful at 35W.
 

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