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Surefire tactician
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JohnnyBravo
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Still thinking about owning this light. Called up SF just now, and they told me it's backordered until mid January.
Anyone, is that lanyard ring plastic or metal? Wondering if it's plastic and I heated it up w/ a hair dryer, if I could slip it off w/out cutting it...
Anyone, is that lanyard ring plastic or metal? Wondering if it's plastic and I heated it up w/ a hair dryer, if I could slip it off w/out cutting it...
HeathHudnall
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The ring around the tail, that is attatched to the light is metal.
JohnnyBravo
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Thanks Heath. I reckon I'd give it a go w/ the ring on it at first. And if it bothers me, I'd cut it off w/ wire snips.
Hmm, maybe put a GITD blue o-ring in the groove then...
Hmm, maybe put a GITD blue o-ring in the groove then...
the0dore3524
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I’m debating between this and the E2D. I like the clicky, but dislike the size of the E2D. It would seem that the two have relatively similar beams; the Maxvision of the Tacticisn is surprisingly centered. Can anyone give me recommendations on which one I should choose? Like for what purpose I should choose one over the other, specifically?
JohnnyBravo
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I'm thinking that if I get the Tactician, it'd be my primary light on the nightstand near my Walther. But if I were EDCing a light and NOT be CCWing, then I'd prefer the E2D since it's bezel cuts are more pronounced and could be used for defensive purposes; per Surefire: The Defender's crenellated Strike Bezel® provides further defensive options should the need arise.
the0dore3524
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Thanks. I feel like the Tactician makes more sense if you’re mainly using it in tandem with another weapon. The E2L is probably more apt for EDC purposes.
I have the E2L, E1L and the E2L-AA. I don't use them for EDC, because of the tight beam they have. Not suitable for close range/general task/car maintenance/reading etc. Good for checking the backyard and for navigating in the dark without too much light.
+1 tokaji. I never understood the reason why an "Outdoorsman" flashlight would have a tight beam. Almost anyone who has actually used a flashlight during night hiking / camping will know that for 95% cases you need something with a well balanced spill pattern, like the Maxvision provides or at least a less focused TIR optic (e.g. the new EDCL2-T). I had to use the F04 diffuser with these types of flashlights, but it's annoying and you have to take it off if you need a little more focus. An E1L/E2L beam will give you a tunnel vision if pointing down on the path your are walking.
I also had bad experience with full-flood beam patterns - providing not enough reach and contrast while hiking (or you had to increase the brightness a lot - wasting a lot of light).
Sorry for going little off-topic :-).
I also had bad experience with full-flood beam patterns - providing not enough reach and contrast while hiking (or you had to increase the brightness a lot - wasting a lot of light).
Sorry for going little off-topic :-).
Just got my tactition in the mail. Comes with four batteries, two in the light and two in the packaging. The lanyard is smaller and different than any surefire lanyard I have ever seen before. It is not stretchy, or "shock" cord as James Yeager advocates the use of.
A Keeppower 16650 fits and works fine.
The lanyard ring is a single piece of blackened steel. It looks like they just sllipped it onto the tailcap, without the use of special tools. You could probably finagle it off without having to resort to cutting it off.
A E1D clicky tailcap fits but does not work. A Scout M600 ultra clicky tailcap fits but does not work.
The E2L clicky tailcap fits and works perfect. Click on, click off.
The old style two way clips will not fit. The new clip is wider, and thus, the skinnier older style will not fit into the slot.
The KX2-A and KX2-B head from an E2L fits and works fine on the Tactician.
The KL4 head from a L4 Lumamax fits and works fine on the Tactician.
The EB2 500 lumen head fits and works fine on the Tactician body.
The 200 lumen LX2 head fits and works fine on the Tactician, single mode.
The Tactician head, mounted on a LX2 body, gives you three output levels. Screw the head down tight, press the tailcap lightly and you get medium output, perhaps 100 lumens. Press harder, and you get high, 800 lumens. Unscrew the head slightly and you get low, about 10 lumens. When the head is unscrewed lightly, you only get low, no matter if you press hard or light on the tailcap.
The Tactician head fits and works fine on a Surefire M600 scout ultra.
The tactician head fits on the E2L body and works perfect as designed. Tighten the head all the way, full brightness. Loosen the head slightly, comes on low 5 lumens.
The E2L body is almost identical to the Tactician body. Only real difference being the clip size.
The Surefire packaging is an inch longer than the USPS priority mail box that Tactical Response used. So they had to fold the packaging to make it fit. Not a big complaint, and I understand why they did it, but most companies would probably try to find better shipping boxes so as to not damage the packaging.
I have a feeling that the clicky lovers are going to love this light by simply adding the E2L clicky cap.
The tactician low does look brighter than 5 lumens to me. Id guestimate 15 lumens. But I have no equipment to verify.
A Keeppower 16650 fits and works fine.
The lanyard ring is a single piece of blackened steel. It looks like they just sllipped it onto the tailcap, without the use of special tools. You could probably finagle it off without having to resort to cutting it off.
A E1D clicky tailcap fits but does not work. A Scout M600 ultra clicky tailcap fits but does not work.
The E2L clicky tailcap fits and works perfect. Click on, click off.
The old style two way clips will not fit. The new clip is wider, and thus, the skinnier older style will not fit into the slot.
The KX2-A and KX2-B head from an E2L fits and works fine on the Tactician.
The KL4 head from a L4 Lumamax fits and works fine on the Tactician.
The EB2 500 lumen head fits and works fine on the Tactician body.
The 200 lumen LX2 head fits and works fine on the Tactician, single mode.
The Tactician head, mounted on a LX2 body, gives you three output levels. Screw the head down tight, press the tailcap lightly and you get medium output, perhaps 100 lumens. Press harder, and you get high, 800 lumens. Unscrew the head slightly and you get low, about 10 lumens. When the head is unscrewed lightly, you only get low, no matter if you press hard or light on the tailcap.
The Tactician head fits and works fine on a Surefire M600 scout ultra.
The tactician head fits on the E2L body and works perfect as designed. Tighten the head all the way, full brightness. Loosen the head slightly, comes on low 5 lumens.
The E2L body is almost identical to the Tactician body. Only real difference being the clip size.
The Surefire packaging is an inch longer than the USPS priority mail box that Tactical Response used. So they had to fold the packaging to make it fit. Not a big complaint, and I understand why they did it, but most companies would probably try to find better shipping boxes so as to not damage the packaging.
I have a feeling that the clicky lovers are going to love this light by simply adding the E2L clicky cap.
The tactician low does look brighter than 5 lumens to me. Id guestimate 15 lumens. But I have no equipment to verify.
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TacticianMV
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I'm getting the Tactician strictly for self defense. I'll get the Sidekick for utility. I'll carry both every day. I have a 6PX Pro that I never carry because it's too fat (didn't mean to body shame). :grin2:
I posted this before but incase anyone missed it. This shows a few SureFire's... Tactician, EDCL2-T, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKib5K47xtQ
Compare the Tactician to the Fenix which is supposedly 1,000 lumes - the Fenix looks way dimmer, and crappy pattern, etc.
I respect John as a trainer, but I completely disagree with some of his comments regarding tac use. That Fenix is a utility light and is simply not an option for tac use by any serious person.
I posted this before but incase anyone missed it. This shows a few SureFire's... Tactician, EDCL2-T, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKib5K47xtQ
Compare the Tactician to the Fenix which is supposedly 1,000 lumes - the Fenix looks way dimmer, and crappy pattern, etc.
I respect John as a trainer, but I completely disagree with some of his comments regarding tac use. That Fenix is a utility light and is simply not an option for tac use by any serious person.
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TacticianMV
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<<The Surefire packaging is an inch longer than the USPS priority mail box that Tactical Response used. So they had to fold the packaging to make it fit. Not a big complaint, and I understand why they did it, but most companies probably would probably try to find better shipping boxes so as to not damage the packaging.>>
I saw that in a photo. Yeager had a thousand of the USPS boxes already assembled with some literature inside because guys were impatient and screaming for the light, so he wanted to expedite the process as soon as they came in. I can just imagine his reaction when he saw the boxes were a bit too small. :laughing:
I saw that in a photo. Yeager had a thousand of the USPS boxes already assembled with some literature inside because guys were impatient and screaming for the light, so he wanted to expedite the process as soon as they came in. I can just imagine his reaction when he saw the boxes were a bit too small. :laughing:
I have the 6PX tactical 200 lumens, and it really feels a bit bulky (and very slippery). The Tactician is even lighter than the E2L.
Less aluminium and less surface means less efficient cooling of the electronics (or more efficient electronics)
Less aluminium and less surface means less efficient cooling of the electronics (or more efficient electronics)
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kyhunter1
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Awesome info from bubbatime. Its good to know that a 16650 will power it on. Im curious to know if it will give full output for any extended time. That will help me decide to purchase or not. I like all other features of this light.
TacticianMV
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<<New video>>
You just beat me to it. :D
He says rechargeables won't work in it (because Yeagar said he requested that) but we know they will.
You just beat me to it. :D
He says rechargeables won't work in it (because Yeagar said he requested that) but we know they will.
Dead Reckoning
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Wow. Thanks for doing the legwork.
Good to know about the 16650. I’ll have to try out mine. My Tactician is waiting at home for after work.
Good to know about the 16650. I’ll have to try out mine. My Tactician is waiting at home for after work.
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