desert.snake
Flashlight Enthusiast
Oh interesting, I didn't know it was available now. It's pretty cool now!
The Official Zebralight Thread
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defloyd77
Flashlight Enthusiast
The entire point of a thread with a topic is to have a discussion about said topic. A discussion of Zebralight's UI compared to another UI is well within that realm.
Discussing a Maglite switch would be off topic, unless it were in a comparison to the one Zebralight uses.
You sir have made plenty of unneeded posts in this very thread and also talked about a clip that is not a Zebralight clip. That's not what Zebralight uses, therefore I guess you shouldn't talk about it since people can't discuss a UI that Zebralight doesn't use, but people have modded lights to use.
defloyd77
Flashlight Enthusiast
Except with that analogy you have to commit to one full spoon of sugar each time with no in between. So you're either forced to 1 spoonful or 2 spoonfuls when you want 1 and a half. How is that better?
Streak
Enlightened
I have carried one or other Zebralight for many years. My current being the SC64 which is simply an outstanding package for my needs.
Small, light, great pocket clip, more than enough output and instant access to both low and high from the off position. Impatiently waiting for the new SC64c HI (with Nichia 719A) I thought I would see what else is out there with similar specs.
I just took delivery of the Wurkkos FC13. Pretty impressive performance and the Anduril 2 is very well done and fairly easy to navigate. Easy access to low and high from the off position was no problem. Other nice features like the find in the dark aux light etc. etc.
However, it's considerably longer and about 40% heavier than the SC64 with a terrible pocket clip. So it will definitely not replace the SC64 as my EDC but will be a good backup light and useful to take on trips as a spare.
Now, let's get this thread back on track and take all of the drama offline!
Small, light, great pocket clip, more than enough output and instant access to both low and high from the off position. Impatiently waiting for the new SC64c HI (with Nichia 719A) I thought I would see what else is out there with similar specs.
I just took delivery of the Wurkkos FC13. Pretty impressive performance and the Anduril 2 is very well done and fairly easy to navigate. Easy access to low and high from the off position was no problem. Other nice features like the find in the dark aux light etc. etc.
However, it's considerably longer and about 40% heavier than the SC64 with a terrible pocket clip. So it will definitely not replace the SC64 as my EDC but will be a good backup light and useful to take on trips as a spare.
Now, let's get this thread back on track and take all of the drama offline!
The SC64 (to me) is one of the best EDC lights on the market. Really hard to beat the size and use of an 18650 for runtimes
Streak
Enlightened
Agreed I had the AA sized variants before and found myself continually having to recharge batteries. The 18650 models just seem to keep on running.
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And such a small form factor…
chillinn
Flashlight Enthusiast
idk, whether charging more AA or less 18650, it's still about the same amount of charging, as it takes longer to charge 18650. I use both my SC5c Mk II a lot, every night all night long, and after a week or two, I always end up swapping cells with a SoC of still like 1.28V, not even half depleted. But I do rely a lot on dark adapted vision, so I'm probably not as much of a lumens-blaster as Streak.
Streak
Enlightened
Lumens blaster or not ( I am not) the fact remains that in my usage case many weeks can go by without needing to exchange the 18650 with another one of hundreds that I happen to have on hand fully charged. Conversely I only had two 14500's and was continually having to swap them out and used to have to take a charger with me when I travelled. Now I just take along two fully charged 18650's and to date, even on multi week trips have never had to use any of my backup batteries. Time it takes to charge any battery for any device has never been an issue for me as I always make sure that I either have backup batteries or a backup device!
chillinn
Flashlight Enthusiast
14500 isn't AA, has half the capacity today, but this is a recent development. Until a few years ago, 14500 had less capacity than 18350, 450–650mAh. Eneloop Pro AA has had 2500mAh for awhile. So no wonder!
Deleted member 763418
Newly Enlightened
You do realize that a 14500 (usually around 1000mAh) has more energy (Wh) than a 2500 mAh NiMH AA?
chillinn
Flashlight Enthusiast
For your edification, capacity != energy.
1000mAh 14500 only appeared a few years ago. Prior to that, 14500 did not, in fact, have more energy that AA NiMH. I think we can be assured that Streak wasn't talking about yesterday, and I made the assumption, which is abundantly clear in my comment, that he was probably using older, lower capacity 14500 from prior to three years ago. But thanks checking, and, indeed, I am aware.
Deleted member 763418
Newly Enlightened
If you understand the difference then why would you bring up the fact that Eneloops have 2500mAh? How does the capacity (Ah) of an Eneloop have any meaning when discussing Li-ion capacity, they're obviously a different nominal voltage.
The only comparison that is relevant, when comparing different battery chemistries, is energy (Watt-hours).
The only comparison that is relevant, when comparing different battery chemistries, is energy (Watt-hours).
chillinn
Flashlight Enthusiast
Read my comments, or ignore them, but please stop reading into them what you want to see. Take them at face value. If Streak was burning through 14500 before the capacity increased 3 years ago, then he was using 14500 when AA NiMH not only had more capacity, which it still does, but when 14500 literally had less energy. Apparently, you seem to be unaware that 1000mAh 14500 haven't always been around. Prior to Vapcell releasing them a few years ago, it was pretty typical for 14500 to have anywhere between 450–650mAh of capacity. That's less capacity than a NiMH AAA cell, which is notorious for having no capacity.
Most don't determine their runtime from Wh, and you don't either. And it really depends on the light and how it is used. Let's assume a ZL user just uses turbo only. Which cell will produce superior runtime, a 1000mAh 14500 or a 2500mAh NiMH AA? This is not a rhetorical question; please answer so I know you understand. And I wasn't comparing battery chemistries. Again, please read what is there instead of inventing. I was merely realizing why Streak was swapping so many cells, which I surmised that he was using low capacity 14500 and not high capacity NiMH.
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There you go again with mistruths you're trying to ram down peoples throats as fact. As usual, you're getting defensive and condescending as soon as you're corrected. Jesus christ man
The capacity of a cell cannot be compared between two different voltages FFS. Your arrogance is so frustrating as it is riddled with sheer ignorance!
The reason Streak was burning through cells has only one reason: energy density. You mention eneloops are notorious for low capacity but what eneloops are known for, is actually low energy density. They're the highest capacity NiMh so it's certainly not that their 'capacity' is lacking for what they are!!
Perhaps, instead of perpetrating BS, you could go do some tests for yourself?
I did just that recently actually where I ran a test using a SC5 running on eneloop pro VS a 800mAh 14500. The 14500 did not have a quarter of the runtime as would be expected if we bought into your blatantly false beliefs. The difference in runtime was about 15% less for the 14500. It's important to note the eneloops were as fresh as they come however the 14500 was a few years old and had been left fully charged which is detrimental to the cell (i.e. actually reduces capacity over time) so the results were EXACTLY AS EXPECTED IF YOU HAVE A CLUE!!!
Using your logic, which is wrong, a 3000mAh VCT6 would have only a slight runtime advantage over a 2500mAh eneloop pro. Oddly enough, that's so far from the reality as energy density matters, capacity does not unless you're talking the same cell chemistry. I'm breaking this down for you as you seem to be the only one going on a nonsense-pushing-mission yet again. Remember that time you also thought an E series SF was susceptible to water ingress with the clip removed!? L.O.L get with it dude, you're not right about everything. Heck, not even half the stuff you post is remotely accurate it seems
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chillinn
Flashlight Enthusiast
There you go again with mistruths you're trying to ram down peoples throats as fact. As usual, you're getting defensive and condescending as soon as you're corrected. Jesus christ man
Personal attacks, fallacious and needless. But when you bully others online, it really makes you seem super smart!
I don't know if you're being intentionally thick, but pretty much any two things in the universe can be compared. Why not? Your argument here, that capacity of cells if two different voltages can't be compared, is false on it's face.. A 3.6V 14500 has 1000mAh of capacity, which is 1500mAh less than an Eneloop Pro AA at 2500mAh. See? I did it. It isn't magic.
I think I'm starting to get the drift, and it is the same as always. There are some mentally ill members that like what they like, and if there is any criticism detected of what they like, whether it is real or imagined, they take it personally, so much so, that they deny that things actually exist.
You may want to overt your eyes:
FACT: 2500mAh NiMH AA HAS MORE CAPACITY THAN 1000mAh LIION 14500.
As I specified earlier,
capacity != energy
Exactly no one, not even you, iceyLED, uses energy (Wh) to determine how much runtime there is.
You've now exposed your comprehension is poor, because I never mentioned any such thing, and to decipher your nonsense, I was referring to AAA NiMH as notorious for low capacity, and not necessarily Eneloop. I was talking about AAA cells, not Eneloop.
Yeah, again the energy of 14500 only increased to 1000mAh three years ago, meanwhile Eneloop and Eneloop Pro AA have had 1900mAh and 2500mAh, respectively, for a decade or more. If Eneloops are notorious for low energy density, show me three such acknowledgements of same, from anywhere on the Internet. If you can't do that, show me one other source, merely one, that agrees with what you've just claimed, that Eneloops are "known for" low energy density.
You're grasping at straws, desperate to not only tribally defend your precious cell format, but also to teach me some kind of lesson in how to be stupid in public, I think. Your infantile behavior and your pedestrian understanding of cell chemistry is quaint. Really, it's cute, shallow and false, but cute nevertheless.
I'm not sure if you're being funny, but on Eneloop, the SC5 draws massively more current than when used with 14500.
Which, apparently, you did not know of the different current draws of different chemistries in SC5. But you're new here, so maybe you just started posting without having actually read the Zebralight thread, because some members graciously tested the current draw, and it's different for different cell chems in SC5.
Well, since now you're just making stuff up, and I'll give you the answer so that you'll have understanding instead of whatever the heck that is. The fact is a 2500mAh Eneloop Pro has more capacity than 1000mAh 14500, less voltage, and less overall energy, sure, but more capacity nevertheless. and we know this for certain by the published capacity ratings of the two cells. Due to characteristics of SC5, it's not a good example. Let's consider a fictitious light with a single mode of 1A, to make it easy for you. If you did not guess that the 1000mAh 14500 would be depleted in an hour and the 2500mAh Eneloop Pro AA would keep on putting out current for two and a half hours, then whatever you were thinking, it was wrong,
If brightness, and therefore voltage, doesn't matter, then exactly, if you drive a 3000mAh VTC6 and 2500mAh Eneloop Pro at the same current, the difference in capacity is, gee, 500mAh, which is not very much, is it?
Oddly enough, that's so far from the reality as energy density matters, capacity does not unless you're talking the same cell chemistry. I'm breaking this down for you as you seem to be the only one going on a nonsense-pushing-mission yet again. Remember that time you also thought an E series SF was susceptible to water ingress with the clip removed!? L.O.L get with it dude, you're not right about everything. Heck, not even half the stuff you post is remotely accurate it seems
To be clear, it is not the case that all that matters is energy density when often what actually matters is current draw and capacity. So, you must know now, you're wrong, as people tend to be when them make sweeping generalizations.
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Driver and LED voltage affect how battery capacity is consumed.
A 1.2V eneloop will require to boost voltage up to around 3V to run a 3V led.
A 14500 is already about 3.6V so will not require any boosting.
In other words, an eneloop will be depleted about twice as fast as the 14500.
Battery voltage is very important to take into consideration when comparing capacity of a cell.
Voltage x capacity is a far better measure to determine the runtime potential of a cell.
Back to Zebralight, I can't wait for the SC64 719a! Very excited for this one!
A 1.2V eneloop will require to boost voltage up to around 3V to run a 3V led.
A 14500 is already about 3.6V so will not require any boosting.
In other words, an eneloop will be depleted about twice as fast as the 14500.
Battery voltage is very important to take into consideration when comparing capacity of a cell.
Voltage x capacity is a far better measure to determine the runtime potential of a cell.
Back to Zebralight, I can't wait for the SC64 719a! Very excited for this one!
chillinn
Flashlight Enthusiast
In all situations, always? Is this true in a common driver such as that in a Lumintop Tool AA? How about a Coast? How about with an incan lamp?
No, it is not true in all situations always, but just only in the specific situation of a Zebralight driver that treats Liion one way and NiMH another way. It is the exception to the rule, so let's stop treating it like it is some kind of natural law. If the driver doesn't care what the chemistry is, which is by far the more common type of driver, and the same current is applied to both chemistries, then which ever chemistry cell has more capacity will run longer, even if the lumen output is lower.
Can we please stop with the sweeping generalizations? Can we please stop with the tribalism of "I like this, so it is best in all situations, and whatever else is not as good, and I have to defend to the death what I like if anyone else has the audacity to suggest that something else might be good, also."
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jon_slider
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anybody else with the new SC53c N getting a beacon flash that cannot be turned off? Or is there a fix?
Deleted member 763418
Newly Enlightened
I did the same earlier this morning. Ignore and move on with life.
Yes, back on topic: I'm also looking forward to the 719A SC64. I'll wait until some others get them and give their opinions while I wait for it to show up at NKON. I'm still holding out hope they also do a 5000K SC64d option since I prefer that over 4000K. It seems like only the headlamps have a range of CCT options and the regular flashlights are limited. This wasn't always the case. Oh, that's ZebraLight for ya.
I might end up grabbing the SC700d HI instead since I already have the SC64w HI.
