What are your thoughts on the direction of future flashlight tech going forward?

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Reflectors and beam shaping ...

I see no reason why I shouldnt be able to have aspheric-like throw and LOP-like flood in the same light through a simple functional adjustment.


ie. an ultra-clear liquid filling the reflector cavity would aid in heat sinking, and with some creativity, could be used to focus the light in whatever manner the user wanted, from map-reading spill, to SAR spot, all with the twist of a bezel or squeezing/manipulating a mechanism.
 
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A company will improve the truly unwieldy application of the Nitecore SENS-style gyroscope/whathaveyou technology.
A company will reduce the unwieldy size and ugly style of the Petzl NAO reactive headlamp.
 

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Reflectors and beam shaping ...

I see no reason why I shouldnt be able to have aspheric-like throw and LOP-like flood in the same light through a simple functional adjustment.


ie. an ultra-clear liquid filling the reflector cavity would aid in heat sinking, and with some creativity, could be used to focus the light in whatever manner the user wanted, from map-reading spill, to SAR spot, all with the twist of a bezel or squeezing/manipulating a mechanism.

Yeah when I mentioned adaptive reflectors I thought you could modify reflector shape by making it out of a fabric, gel, or metal that contracts (or expands) when a current is introduced to it. Kind of like that artificial muscle technology seen a while back. The current comes from the battery anyway, but I imagine this is quite a while away.
 

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In all honesty, the realistic future of flashlights is to become cheaper and lower quality to satisfy the bargain-chasers and low budget market. The exception being hobbyists and industrial/military applications.

A continuation of the Dim & Cheap showerhead LED lights for another decade or so.

The hobbyist flashlight market may follow this trend to gain market share by Reducing quality, to achieve a reduction in price.

The reality is, most Consumers want the bare bones lowest price, even if it means the tool (light) will only work once or twice. In our current society, that is acceptable quality standards by the majority for most things around the home.

Hopefully labor costs in The Orient will rise to comparable Western standards, allowing domestic manufacturers to compete on a level playing field.

That should raise the cost of Cheap junk to a point where high quality products become a viable substitute.
 

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How far can flashlight technology go?

I'm new to all this and never realized that people were so into flashlights!! haha I guess I came to the right place if I want to learn more. I've been looking at a few lights (Surefire E2D Defender, Streamlight Protac 2L) to use along with concealed weapon carry. I saw that Surefire is coming out with a new model with over double the output of the original E2D and it just made me wonder when they are going to reach the upper limit on the advances that they can make. From what I can tell, they just came out with the really bright (relatively) fury a short time ago and now they are making lights with the same output in a smaller package. It reminds me of the computer industry making computer faster one small step at a time - $$$$$$$
 

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Re: How far can flashlight technology go?

I like that l.e.d.s are getting brighter and more efficient as well as cheaper. I am seeing widespread market penetration in nearly every application now. I'd like to see household l.e.d. lightbulbs reach their potential in brightness and efficiency. Most l.e.d. bulbs now are at best $15-$20 and about the same or worse efficiency as $1 florescent bulbs. I have been seeing very bright 500-1000 lumen lights go for $20-$50 in stores. This is great, but cheaper lights might lead to abuse and regulation. In the future, I see cheaper l.e.d. bulbs for in houses and $5-$10 1000 lumen flashlights. I think that once l.e.d.s are actually good enough to replace household bulbs, any increase in brightness will not be realized in flashlights as after the first person blinds someone else, I think lumen limits will be placed on flashlights. Currently, the high cost of bright lights keeps them out of the hands of those that would abuse the right to use them. I hope this doesn't happen, but I see too many in power trying too hard to protect us from ourselves for it not to be a concern.
 

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I would like to see more effort put into the single AA lights so that they are sized similar to single CR123 lights, support NiMH and 14500, infinitely variable and with decent throw. ZL has shown that an AA light can be very small and still rock. Time for other manufacturers to catch up and offer better features. I'd love to see some limited Ti runs of these quality AA lights. A quality AA version of the SF T1A or V10R Ti but no bigger in size - I am sure it's possible.

I also have to go along with more effort put into AA and even AAA lights.THE AA/AAA is the most bought cell I would presume.
 

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LED's are getting more efficient, cheaper, and more heat-tolerant. I suspect that eventually LED manufacturers will be able to throw a heck of a lot of power into LED die that are truly tiny by today's standards with pretty minimal heatsinking. I foresee some optics changes as a result - namely that fixed optics capable of decent flood and/or throw will be integrated into packages appreciably smaller than the 3mm LED's that were pretty exciting ~10 years ago. I can imagine flashlights with multiple emitters that can emit a variety of beam patterns at varying intensities by toggling these on and off as desired by the user. Perhaps these packages will be sufficiently small / cheap / powerful enough for a "bug-eyed" working end (revenge of the LED showerhead) that does some fancy target/angle/function prediction, automatically controlling emitters with minimal input from the user. For this sort of application, I imagine that limitations on the power source as well as what the user actuallt wants switched on will be the constriction on output.

Another frontier I can see is variable focus achieved via variable-focus fluid lenses currently under development by Vari-Optic, Philips, and Samsung (and likely other companies I can't recall offhand). Sadly, this technology seems to be embroiled in patent litigation (I believe Vari-Optic had the first patents, but their design requires a high working voltage and has other problems), so it may be some time until the technology sees production. Once these come into play, smooth variable beam patterns may become a feature in bleeding-edge flashlights.

More near term:
  • I see efficiency bumps in LED leading to more "pocket rockets" with greater runtime
  • I also see LED efficiency kicking off a decline in lower-power HID spotlights as single-die LED packages start to close in on the ~3000 lumens that automotive 35W HID modules produce
  • Inductive charging could be done cheaply since it's common enough in $20 electric toothbrushes
  • I see extensive programability remaining a niche function - even amongst hobbyists - since it seems to be something most people tweak a few times then forget
 

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Hey you all finally made a thread I think I can reply to.

I think one of the next big improvements is going to be battery tech. And I think the Auto industry will drive this. There is currently a huge push to make electric cars a more viable option. And yes a lot of that is going to be making the use of power usage smarter. Which us flashlight guys may or may not benefit from this. But the real work is being done on how quickly the batteries charge. The way I understand it the goal is to have it take no longer than it does to fill up the gas tank to charge a automotive battery. A few months back I researched to the point that I had located the company doing the legwork for this. My search started with the Sears Craftsman "quick charge" drill. Asked a few questions on other forums and I found the site. I was thinking if they were a traded stock I might invest.

Now I am not a tech guy. But the way I understand it. They are working on opening up more charging channels similar to increasing the read/write speed of memory sticks. They plan to be able to charge a cell phone in under a minute. And a car in the amount of time it take to fill the tank with gas. IMHO the auto industry will be dumping money in to this hand over fist. Just think of the implications of this in their industry. And while the battery chemistry may not be the same as ours. I would wager that some of that tech will be able to transfer to the batteries we use. If I find that site I will link it.
 

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Hey you all finally made a thread I think I can reply to.

I think one of the next big improvements is going to be battery tech. And I think the Auto industry will drive this. There is currently a huge push to make electric cars a more viable option. And yes a lot of that is going to be making the use of power usage smarter. Which us flashlight guys may or may not benefit from this. But the real work is being done on how quickly the batteries charge. The way I understand it the goal is to have it take no longer than it does to fill up the gas tank to charge a automotive battery. A few months back I researched to the point that I had located the company doing the legwork for this. My search started with the Sears Craftsman "quick charge" drill. Asked a few questions on other forums and I found the site. I was thinking if they were a traded stock I might invest.

Now I am not a tech guy. But the way I understand it. They are working on opening up more charging channels similar to increasing the read/write speed of memory sticks. They plan to be able to charge a cell phone in under a minute. And a car in the amount of time it take to fill the tank with gas. IMHO the auto industry will be dumping money in to this hand over fist. Just think of the implications of this in their industry. And while the battery chemistry may not be the same as ours. I would wager that some of that tech will be able to transfer to the batteries we use. If I find that site I will link it.
While I'm fond of the notion of electric vehicles and think that ubiquitous fast charging would help their adoption, I regret that I have to rain on your parade.

Charging a small battery like a cell phone or even a cordless power tool such as a drill in a short time isn't a terribly big challenge. Deliver the necessary power as efficiently as possible and keep the battery cool. Power delivery isn't a problem since a modest 120V / 15A circuit can easily deliver over 1kW without breaking a sweat. For small batteries, the surface area-to-volume ratio and relatively shallow housing depth make heat dissipation more manageable.

When you start talking about larger battery packs such as electric forklifts, you start running into limits on the ability to deliver enough sustained power to the pack using commonly-available electrical circuits. Take a small 425A-H * 12V pack - slightly more than 5kW-H. Rounding capacity to 5kW-H 30, 15, 7.5, 3.75 minute recharge times would respectively require 10, 20, 40, and 80kW of continuous power to recharge the pack. Keeping such a pack cool during such an operation requires some consideration, but can be done - and I gather is done in some applications since it's usually cheaper to invest in quick-charge equipment than additional packs when you routinely need more work out of it in a day than the pack has charge capacity.

For a large battery such as an electric car with a nominal 25kW-H pack, it becomes far more problematic. 30/15/7.5/3.75 minute recharge times require 50/100/200/400kW of sustained power delivery. While ~30 minute charging from near-0% to near-100% is manageable with dedicated high-capacity circuits, anything beyond is not so reasonable at the average residence or commercial facility. Even if the grid could deliver such loads without special provisioning, you have the challenge of delivering it to the pack (couldn't use the conventional charge port - would need massive contacts and likely special internal interconnects) and keeping it cool (95% efficient charging produces 2.5/5/10/20kW of wast heat; 98% efficient charging produces 1/2/4/8kW).

Rapidly-swapabble batteries is a concept that's been kicked around for decades, but only partially removes the need for staggering amounts of power delivered to scattered points. It would also be pretty expensive since the users would ultimately bear the capital cost of additional batteries floating around for their convenience.


Not to fear - another technology exists on the horizon with some promise!

About a year and a half ago, MIT announced a new battery chemistry they call a "semi-solid flow cell" - more catchingly referred to as "Cambridge Crude" - which suspends the working components in a fluid that can be swapped in and out as needed. One imagines that most of the time, the same "fill" of fluid would remain in the "tank" and be recharged as a normal battery, but when a quick charge was needed it could be swapped for pre-charged fluid. I've read some speculation that various types of fluid could be used to alter its characteristics ... an "economy" fluid would be more energy-dense while a "performance" fluid would be able to deliver more instantaneous current.

Unfortunately, all that was 18 months ago and little has been said about it since. I suspect that one would need to be extremely careful handling the fluid to the point that swapping it would not be the 2-minute affair that pumping gas is for most. The need for fine components within the apparatus itself might also be a stumbling block to prototyping for commercialization.

Time will tell if it's little more than a science-journal curiosity or something that becomes a reality in a few more years.
 

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I suspect that multiple focus features like the Fenix BTxx series with dual-distance beam will become more common - only because there are enough lumens to split between two beam patterns. and notice the slow return of the focusable light. or the "lossless" reflector.

There is an utter lack of lights with a well-shaped beam distribution for bicycling available on the market. The BTxx is a modest step in the right direction compared to most lights which are just the usual point-source in a parabolic reflector with spot and spill. At least with the Fenix light there isn't an apparent "dead spot" in the the beam between the main spot, and the bright spill in the foreground. But they're still look pretty atrocious as far as glare to anyone in the oncoming direction for on-road use.

What I would love to be able to buy (and won't have the time to make for myself anytime soon, unfortunately) is something like a low beam / high beam pattern shaped just like a car headlight (above-horizontal cutoff, progressively brighter closer to horizon etc). Then, with the push of a pressure switch, I can turn on a second LED with a "high beam" pattern.
 
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Reflectors and beam shaping ...

I see no reason why I shouldnt be able to have aspheric-like throw and LOP-like flood in the same light through a simple functional adjustment.


ie. an ultra-clear liquid filling the reflector cavity would aid in heat sinking, and with some creativity, could be used to focus the light in whatever manner the user wanted, from map-reading spill, to SAR spot, all with the twist of a bezel or squeezing/manipulating a mechanism.

This could probably be done with a static optic (probalby a fairly complicated freeform optic, not a simple reflector) with two light sources -- pump light into die 1 and it's collimated into a fairly narrow beam. Pump light into die 2 and that light is distributed into a broader range of angles. Adjust the ratio of power on the dice to shape the beam. More durable than a mechanical zoom approach.
 

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What I would love to be able to buy (and won't have the time to make for myself anytime soon, unfortunately) is something like a low beam / high beam pattern shaped just like a car headlight

I don't understand why this isn't the model for all bike lights; the car headlight is the design that's been perfected for over a century for a moving vehicle, it's what you use when you're on a road, so why wouldn't that the the design for bicycles? You just create a scaled-down basic headlight assembly, same angles and construction, that should be an end on it, no? Why bother with all these completely off the wall unique designs, or designs that just borrow flashlight parts?
 

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I regret that I have to rain on your parade.

NP first its not really a parade. More a battery novice's observation.

Second my understanding of battery tech is really so infantile. Aside from calling me names: it would be hard to hurt my feelings. I typically come to ECF to learn. And have no illusions about my lack of qualifications to teach.

I reread the rules. And think I am OK linking this. http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...e-allows-lithium-ion-batteries-quicker-charge

If I misunderstood the linking rules. Thats fine just remove. My lack of knowledge requires me to link because I don't have the skills to summarize the story without the link.

One thing that is not dependent on my working battery knowledge. Is that our capacity for changing and challenging existing tech rules is a phenomena that seem to occur with more frequency every day. Maybe this is one of those cases. Maybe not. But because of the ease of which information and knowledge is obtained today. And the sheer number of creative minds who now have access to this information. And the finical reward attached to this. I find it hard to believe that within the next couple of year. I wont be able to come back and say "I told you so" Even though I probably still wont understand why.
 

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I think a lot of the low-hanging fruit in flashlight development has been harvested already.

Basically now it is possible to slap a cheap XML-type LED to some easily available electronics and claim large lumen outputs, 500-750 let's say.

What is difficult is to get reasonable run-times for what in the past would be considered extravagant output levels.

So some companies have gone the route of adding large numbers of "standard" batteries, say 4x or even 8xAA, others now really work best with 3x123 or 2xLiIon configurations (considered "exotic" for most people).

Of course what has suffered has been the "EDC" type of flashlight, which doesn't do so well with just 1x123 while the wretched RCR123 (the LiIon rechargeable version) remains at a miserable 750 mAh capacity. A second casualty has been the 2x123 flashlight, with a lot of people feeling they need to get versions that can at least use a 1x18650 type to get LiIon performance.

Programmability is not really such a big thing any more, personally I prefer to have different but simple (even just one-level output) flashlights to cover different needs.

After the current craze with max-blast lumen outputs runs its course, I predict manufacturers will try to return to better runtime-output combinations, perhaps longer throw (higher lux) flashlights, and niche markets (pink flashlights, etc.).

But after all is said and done, without some fundamental breakthrough in battery technology, I see some stagnation ahead.

Oh, and higher material costs should continue to push us toward cheaper plastic types of flashlights, see Surefire that has been adding more and more plastic and downgrading its previous signature all metal products, Fenix has moved in similar directions, etc.
 
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Things that would be very game-changing but are difficult:
1. much improved battery chemistries.
2. accurately deformable optics that would allow flood-to-spot without compromizing beam quality/accuracy.
3. LED packages that improve efficiences in regards to castoff heat.

Things that currently limit advancements:
1. all of the above.

Things that likely will come soon:
1. programming with a light source dongle using the LED as a gateway.
2. a return to more forward mount switches vs. tailcap switches.
3. more use of multiple or infinite user adjustment of light output levels.
 

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Things that would be very game-changing but are difficult:
1. much improved battery chemistries.
2. accurately deformable optics that would allow flood-to-spot without compromizing beam quality/accuracy.
3. LED packages that improve efficiences in regards to castoff heat.

1. This is a fundamental physics problem. A battery with significantly better energy density than Lithium-ion is just not possible. No other viable elements exist that are lighter or that would enable a higher voltage per cell. We might see improvements in longevity and lifespan, but more energy/volume won't happen without going to some kind of fuel-based system.

2. "Liquid lenses" are very difficult to scale to larger than sub-millimeter size today. This is possible to achieve but I don't see it as very likely to happen.

3. I think this will occur in that there will be a shift to remote phosphors. Most of the waste heat in LEDs nowadays is downconversion losses in the phosphors. A separated LED or laser pump with a phosphor that is directly adhered to a highly conductive heatsink slab is what's going to allow significant gains from here on -- particuarly in throw / surface brightness.


Things that currently limit advancements:
1. all of the above.

Things that likely will come soon:
1. programming with a light source dongle using the LED as a gateway.
2. a return to more forward mount switches vs. tailcap switches.
3. more use of multiple or infinite user adjustment of light output levels.
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Programmable lights are nice. One of my favorite lights on the market was the LF2XT, which had three user programmable modes, battery state of charge monitoring and other such featers in a 1xAAA EDC (my light was unfortunately lost recently and these are out of production :( ). I'd love to see similar features implemented on most or all my lights. Especially because the advanced features can be easily "hidden" and the light operated as a simple one mode if that's what the user desires, no reason everyoene can't be happy with the UI.
 

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I think it might be short sighted to assume that nothing can have more energy density than the current lithium ion cell. That's what new technology DOES, it comes up with a NEW way to do something. So,it might not use the same chemistry, it may take advantage of a breakthrough that hasn't happened yet in another field, one that will lead to elimination of some road block in yet ANOTHER field, and so forth.

One thing I've notice about progress, its seems to keep progressing, even if we don't see HOW it will, until we do.

:D
 

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2. "Liquid lenses" are very difficult to scale to larger than sub-millimeter size today. This is possible to achieve but I don't see it as very likely to happen.

Vari-optic presently sells variable-focus liquid lenses with apertures up to 2.5mm.

Philips and Samsung have entered the fray with what I gather are greatly improved designs that would be practical for an obvious market - cell phones.

Making these concepts practical for flashlights and the like will require some time (along with some significant R&D). Smaller LED packages designed to interface with such devices might make them practical for flashlights at some point.
 

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I don't personally think anything revolutionary is in the pipeline with flashlight development at the moment. Most of what we see today is the tweaking of the existing format, styles and user interfaces. However, significantly greater output and radical new designs are in my opinion still fairly limited. However, during the past few years the number of Far Eastern companies offering flashlights built to a similar quality to the well known US brands has multiplied considerably. This competition is in itself interesting as it drives innovation and we all know that innovation means making something better than your competitors. As it stands at the moment the biggest difference between many of the lights available on the market today appears to be price. It remains to be seen if this will encourage US manufacturers to try to compete or if it will eventually reduce the demand for expensive and well made US lights?

Very well said, this is exactly what happened with the domestic automakers, aka "The Big Three". Up until the 90's they didn't have any real foreign competition and did not take anyone seriously. They assumed people will keep purchasing Ford, Chevy, and Dodge simply because they have done so in the past. They laughed at the up and coming Japanese automakers Honda, Toyota, and Nissan. They didn't adjust their pricing, didn't compete with them head-to-head in terms of offering similar technology and value. Look at them now....American automakers are, with very few exceptions, a big joke.

I hope Surefire doesn't end up the same way.
 
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