Am breathing nichia!

[trailhunter]

Just measured both m43s

219b = 5000 L
219c = 5800 L



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[NPL]

Wow, not that different! A good grade off

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[NPL]

*trade off

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[jon_slider]

I'm going to start modding my d18 with 18 219b's.

Almost sounds like a waste of emitters for such rare emitters but it sounds so beautiful.

Im glad you are using 219b, no matter how many. I love them more than 219c

Led mixing has the unexpected benefit of creating tint below the BBL

If you were to mix some 219c 3000k with 5000k it would produce 4000k w negative Duv

thanks for confirming that the 219c is 16% brighter than the 219b that you tested
you can see why Nichia needed to do that, to keep up in the lumens race

Does anyone have tint comparisons between sw45 and sw45k? I have a new order of 50ct of sw45k coming

yes, the sw45k is more pink, I happen to love it
the sw45 is still much more pink than a 219c
sw45 left, sw45k right

l-r sw35, sw45, sw 45k, XM-L 6000k

sw35 left sw45 middle, sw 45k right

ps, all pictured Nichias are 9080 variants

 

[trailhunter]

Im glad you are using 219b, no matter how many. I love them more than 219c

Led mixing has the unexpected benefit of creating tint below the BBL

If you were to mix some 219c 3000k with 5000k it would produce 4000k w negative Duv

thanks for confirming that the 219c is 16% brighter than the 219b that you tested
you can see why Nichia needed to do that, to keep up in the lumens race




yes, the sw45k is more pink, I happen to love it
the sw45 is still much more pink than a 219c
sw45 left, sw45k right

l-r sw35, sw45, sw 45k, XM-L 6000k

sw35 left sw45 middle, sw 45k right

ps, all pictured Nichias are 9080 variants

Ah I someone said sw45 and sw45k are the same emitter but clearly, the sw45k is more rosey

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[trailhunter]

The same question i had few weeks ago toward one of the suppliers. The answer was: it's the same emitter, only thing is that someone is naming it sw45 and the other sw45k.
So relax and enjoy.

I'm noticing a tint difference between sw45 and sw45k, i think they are different here. That supplier is just blowing smoke up your donkey.

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[jon_slider]

LOL! obfuscation

yes, when all the sw45k are sold out, if I was still holding stock of sw45, I would say something similar,
like,
"both sw45 and sw45k are N219b 4500k 9080, Im out of sw45k, but the sw45 is basically the same, and some people dont like the sw45k because they say it is unnaturally too pink"

Everything in that quote is true
however, I personally LOVE my sw45k LEDs more than my sw45
Im not "some people", im a special case, LOL

I recently had a batch of lights built for resale. I intentionally did NOT choose the sw45k, and chose the sw45 for them. In order to avoid any complaints about the tint being "too pink"

in my light though, I Want the sw45k.. it is My personal grail LED

both sw45 and sw45k are in a totally different class than any 219c (I refuse to use lights with 219c, Im a snob)
YMMV

 

[LightObsession]

One sample of each emitter isn't enough to declare tint differences between the two, even if in the same light with the same optics. We all know there is some within emitter groups.

 

[jon_slider]

When I buy N219b 4500k 9080 leds for myself, I select the special K designation, sw45k
I smile when I use one of my sw45k lights.

I recommend you try one.

click pic for more sw45k info



on that chart, lies the crux of the N219b conversation.
It illustrates that the N219b 4500k 9080 sw45k, sits strongly below the BBL.

for me it has been a game changer
previously I was using N219b 4000k 9050. That was my best of class until I found the sw45k.
Ive tried the 219b 4000k 9080 sw40 an it is also more pink than the sw40 9050. I now prefer 4500k over my 4000k options. I added sw35 to my options when I adopted sw45k, the sw40s are slowly gathering dust. Its just a Pink phase of mine ;-)

the 9080 variants have more red output than the 9050.
Coincidentally the 9080 are also more pink tinted.
the sw45 9080 and sw45K 9080 have significantly different pink tint, and the sw45k is deeper below the BBL than the sw45

hope that is not too confused

 

[id30209]

@ jon
You are talkimg about D220 bin flux when you're saying sw45k right, not D240 bin?
There's no just sw45 on that chart brother...

 

[id30209]

I must say that graph with incan point around 3000K is BS.
I'm still a hardcore incan user and none of my bulbs glow as pointed in the chart but way above.
Not a specialist and don't have spheres or whatever you call it but comparing incan glow with LED's then, for me at least, only SST-20 3500K will get a medal for closest to that color and tint. Need to check which version exactly.
Regarding sw45 and sw45k, jon_slider would you mind selling few just for test purposes?

 

[trailhunter]

I ordered sw40s as well, where do those fall in color?

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[id30209]

One sample of each emitter isn't enough to declare tint differences between the two, even if in the same light with the same optics. We all know there is some within emitter groups.

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[id30209]

I hope to see new 219F HI CRI soon...
Looks like it's brighter than 219C so far and if Nichia could hit that 9080 area that would be a great upgrade in the current LED scene
PS i kinda doubt that there will ever be 9080 emitters after B

 

[trailhunter]

Damn, my wallet is breathing nichia now.

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[staticx57]

I hope to see new 219F HI CRI soon...
Looks like it's brighter than 219C so far and if Nichia could hit that 9080 area that would be a great upgrade in the current LED scene
PS i kinda doubt that there will ever be 9080 emitters after B

Theres the newer E21A which is R9080 and then there is the Optisolis which exceeds 9080 ratings and destroys the 219B in color rendering.

 

[id30209]

Theres the newer E21A which is R9080 and then there is the Optisolis which exceeds 9080 ratings and destroys the 219B in color rendering.

Very true but output and "standard" build is not in the same basket.

 

[jon_slider]

I ordered sw40s as well, where do those fall in color?

I cant find the spectrum plot atm
here are some beamshot comparisons

the light in the middle is the sw40 9080

the light in the middle is the sw40 9050

 

[staticx57]

Very true but output and "standard" build is not in the same basket.

Output of the singular E21A is easily equivalent to a singular 219B. You can fit 4 E21A in the space of about 1x219B so output per size is much higher with the E21A. The reality is the whole industry is moving away from the 3535 Triple pad form factor, just how the 5050 like the XML2 was retired.

The optisolis is a mid Power LED so yes, not as bright.

 

[Cosmodragoon]

Is there a difference between the Nichia 219B an 219BT?