Help me understand the popularity of the TS10

[vicv]

Malkoffs have excellent heat sinking and thermal path. That keeps the heat away from things that shouldn't get hot.

No they don't. That's the main reason they're lower output. There's nothing wrong with them exactly, but they do not have excellent heat sinking. They're reliable because they're low output. The m61 drop in is a slip fit. Which isn't as good of a thermal path as being screwed into the body/head. Or being held in with a retaining ring.
As far as where the heat goes besides the emitter, it's the driver. Which I already mentioned. The ts10 pulls the heat from the emitter and driver to the body of the light. There's nothing else that can get damaged

 

[jon_slider]

I dont think a TS10 at 15 lumens, will get any hotter than a Malkoff at 15 lumens..

but yes, the Malkoff host is bigger, thicker, and heavier, plus the driver is potted in epoxy ...

so if you want a 15 lumen single mode light, that you can also use as a hammer.. a Malkoff is a much better choice (but the hammer feature costs extra).. lol

I can buy about FOUR TS10, battery included, for the price of ONE Malkoff Drop In (the host and battery costs extra). I dont usually need to use my light as a hammer, but for people that do, Malkoff is the way.. ;-)

 

[raggie33]

so would you consider it a efficient driver?

 

[Mike G]

No they don't. That's the main reason they're lower output. There's nothing wrong with them exactly, but they do not have excellent heat sinking. They're reliable because they're low output. The m61 drop in is a slip fit. Which isn't as good of a thermal path as being screwed into the body/head. Or being held in with a retaining ring.
As far as where the heat goes besides the emitter, it's the driver. Which I already mentioned. The ts10 pulls the heat from the emitter and driver to the body of the light. There's nothing else that can get damaged

They do - the brass body is not for show, and there is a shoulder at the top that contacts the light body. As a drop-in, it's not as good as it could be, but still good, and in their own lights - again, the MD2 - it is indeed excellent. I don't consider 400-650 lumens low output.

I do not trust the heat sinking on the TS10.

I dont think a TS10 at 15 lumens, will get any hotter than a Malkoff at 15 lumens..

but yes, the Malkoff host is bigger, thicker, and heavier, plus the driver is potted in epoxy ...

so if you want a 15 lumen single mode light, that you can also use as a hammer.. the Malkoff is a much better choice (but the hammer feature costs extra).. lol

I can buy about FOUR TS10, battery included, for the price of ONE Malkoff Drop In (the host and battery costs extra). I dont usually need to use my light as an expensive hammer, but for people that do, Malkoff is the way.. ;-)

If you only need 15 lumens, a Malkoff is the wrong tool. You can get a light from the dollar store for that, and get ten for the price of one TS10.

 

[vicv]

They do - the brass body is not for show, and there is a shoulder at the top that contacts the light body. As a drop-in, it's not as good as it could be, but still good, and in their own lights - again, the MD2 - it is indeed excellent. I don't consider 400-650 lumens low output.

I do not trust the heat sinking on the TS10.


If you only need 15 lumens, a Malkoff is the wrong tool. You can get a light from the dollar store for that, and get ten for the price of one TS10.

On the ts10. I'm genuinely curious. What about the heat sinking do you not trust? If you put it on turbo, the head/pill starts to warm up in seconds, how is that bad heat sinking? Sounds about perfect to me. It means it's pulling the generated heat away from the driver/emitter and transferring it to the body. Exactly what you want.

 

[Mike G]

On the ts10. I'm genuinely curious. What about the heat sinking do you not trust? If you put it on turbo, the head/pill starts to warm up in seconds, how is that bad heat sinking? Sounds about perfect to me. It means it's pulling the generated heat away from the driver/emitter and transferring it to the body. Exactly what you want.

1,400Lm is enough to heat up anything that size in seconds, heat sinking and thermal path be damned. You're not understanding. Yes, the driver and head will keep the emitter at the set temperature. But the driver and battery will also heat up. I don't believe that the TS10 is as good at controlling this as other lights - in this case, since Jon set the stage, talking about the MD2 specifically. I don't think that's difficult to understand.

No, the light won't burst into flames in your hand. But that doesn't mean you're not hurting anything by raising the emitter's thermal limit, is my point.

 

[vicv]

1,400Lm is enough to heat up anything that size in seconds, heat sinking and thermal path be damned. You're not understanding. Yes, the driver and head will keep the emitter at the set temperature. But the driver and battery will also heat up. I don't believe that the TS10 is as good at controlling this as other lights - in this case, since Jon set the stage, talking about the MD2 specifically. I don't think that's difficult to understand.

No, the light won't burst into flames in your hand. But that doesn't mean you're not hurting anything by raising the emitter's thermal limit, is my point.

Oh I completely understand what you're saying, I'm asking for proof. Besides that you just don't like the light. I mean if you don't like it that's fine, but you need to give reasons for why you think it has heat sinking issues besides that

 

[Mike G]

Oh I completely understand what you're saying, I'm asking for proof. Besides that you just don't like the light. I mean if you don't like it that's fine, but you need to give reasons for why you think it has heat sinking issues besides that

Don't own one, so I don't have proof. It's not that I outright dislike it, which I'll get to in a second. But it is a trendy, cheap light made in China, made as a toy rather than a tool, so I don't see why it should be trusted to be a tool.

Which comes back around to my original point, as I tried to convey and illustrate to Jon as simply as I could - trendy lights like the TS10 and others are just that, trendy. They are toys, not tools. It's not about whether I personally like it or not, I just think it's unreasonable to compare it against tools such as Malkoffs, because they don't compete with one another, and don't do eachother's jobs. "Haters gonna hate", as Jon said, isn't a factor at all.

 

[vicv]

Agreed that they don't fit the same role. I wouldn't call it a trendy toy light though. It's useful in quite a few ways. They seem to be reliable. You don't need to use all the fancy modes it has. I have mine setup in just 5 modes. It works great and intuitive. It's not a tactical light, it wasn't meant to be. I think tactical lights get more credit around here than they deserve. Everyone thinks they're a navy seal or something. I've never had a light not work when I turn it on. Whether that's a $250 surefire or a $10 Chinese light. They all always work. As long as I didn't mess with it like over voltage or something. So they're all reliable. Wurkkos is a reliable brand. They're not a dollar store light. Will it survive being run over by a deuce and a half like a Malkoff will? Probably not. But there's not many of those in the wild here. So I'm not too concerned

 

[raggie33]

its my second fav light if they add alkaline support ill dance a jig

 

[jon_slider]

since Jon set the stage, talking about the MD2 specifically

I did not mention the MD2, you did that..
I posted a photo of a 15 lumen drop in, from here

> that doesn't mean you're not hurting anything by raising the emitter's thermal limit

the 55C thermal limit does not come into play at 15 lumens, it makes absolutely no difference..

> it is a trendy, cheap light made in China, made as a toy rather than a tool, so I don't see why it should be trusted to be a tool.

your choice of language: "trendy", "cheap", "made as a toy", and "made in China", is hater speak.

from where I sit, my TS10 is an inexpensive, full featured light. It has an outstanding Programmable UI, and it even has locator lights, so I can find the host in the dark.

> Don't own one

thats OK with me.. I dont own a Malkoff

to each his own ;-)

 

[Mike G]

I did not mention the MD2, you did that..
I posted a photo of a 15 lumen drop in, from here

> that doesn't mean you're not hurting anything by raising the emitter's thermal limit

the 55C thermal limit does not come into play at 15 lumens, it makes absolutely no difference.. the TS10 is perfectly capable of shedding heat as fast as 15 lumens can create it..

Very convenient that all the Malkoff emitters look alike, no? The MD2 is, I believe, the smallest body they make that will accept an MDX emitter, so that's the stage you set, intentionally or not.

Perhaps it's not a good idea to post unfunny "comparison" pictures that just throw shade on good equipment disingenuously and for no good reason. Haters gonna hate, indeed...

vicv and I weren't talking about performance at 15 lumens.

> it is a trendy, cheap light made in China, made as a toy rather than a tool, so I don't see why it should be trusted to be a tool.

your choice of language: "trendy", "cheap", "made as a toy", and "made in China", is hater speak.

I speak only the truth I'm sure it's a fun little toy, and it certainly looks nice. But let's not go pretending it's comparable to proper kit. That's just silly. No "hater speak" involved there.

 

[raggie33]

at least we all can agree that having explosive diarrhea on a international flight would be horrible

 

[vicv]

at least we all can agree that having explosive diarrhea on a international flight would be horrible

Depends if you dislike the person you're sitting beside

 

[vicv]

In advanced mode lockout. I've found that 3 click, will take it out of lockout mode but will stay off. This isn't in the diagram/manual. All the rest of the functions from lockout work as the diagram shows. But this is new. I like it because I've never liked that to take it out of lockout requires the light to turn on

 

[Monocrom]

In advanced mode lockout. I've found that 3 click, will take it out of lockout mode but will stay off. This isn't in the diagram/manual. All the rest of the functions from lockout work as the diagram shows. But this is new. I like it because I've never liked that to take it out of lockout requires the light to turn on

Is it possible that yours might be defective?

 

[vicv]

Is it possible that yours might be defective?

That's what I'm checking. Everything else works fine. And this is a good feature in my opinion

 

[scout24]

Got my brass TS-10 today. 3000k, red secondaries. It's almost twice as heavy as the aluminum version, and should patina nicely. Based on the preceeding toy/tool discussion, would it be wrong to put it on my nightstand with the secondaries facing me next to my Malkoff'd SF C2 bump-in-the-night light so that is easier to find? 🤣🤣🤣

 

[vicv]

Not a bad idea. Though pretty sure that bump in the night wouldn't appreciate that ts10 turbo either. But I also keep it like that with orange secondaries facing me. Easy to see but not bright at all to be disturbing. The moonlight mode is set to around 1 lumen and pretty nice for not tripping on the dogs in the middle of the night

 

[scout24]

Same, my aluminum has lived there facing me with the secondaries on low since I got it, as a frame of reference at night. The 3000k brass on it's lowest setting as default will now take it's place as a middle of the night light. Smooth even warm beam, what's not to love. Nothing against the TS-10, but that C2 has had it's duty for years now with various Malkoff and Oveready dropins, and it won't be bumped from that position. It's been vetted, tested, and I trust it completely.