Where Have the Good Threads Gone? CPF Kinda Boring Lately?

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Why don't we all just start learning how to start interesting threads? (well, that will need some practice, but how else to fix this?) I'll just retreat behind that brick wall, now...

I think this is the essence of it, and something we can all agree on. If we all make an effort to generate new and interesting topics, everyone benefits. It will be a process as you noted, but it can be done. There are still many knowledgeable and helpful people here; it is certainly possible to create a satisfying environment for everyone.


As an aside, I have been popping in the Incan forum a little, a place I seldom visited before. I have almost nothing of substance to offer at this point but it's kind of fun since it's virtually all new material for me!
 

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I think in any forum: there is one great post for ever 9 useless posts, which are either chit-chat or are regurgitation posts from intelligent people.

You skim read, misread, and dive in where you think worth it. This is why I try to keep my posts short and to the point, using simple English grammar. No point in killing your self writing what others won't read.

Notwithstanding, whenever yahoo, cnn, etc. news have comments, the real information lay in the user comments. A good example, is a 2008 LED article, where the author spends an entire week researching LED and interviewing Lumileds before writing, but fails to mention Cree (the biggest player, then in led advancement.) The list goes on and on... Oh, those elephants in the room that are usually missed by all, save for the lone post on the forum.

It is like finding gems in a junk heap; it always has been. Info not found elsewhere.
 
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[...] If we all make an effort to generate new and interesting topics, everyone benefits. It will be a process as you noted, but it can be done. There are still many knowledgeable and helpful people here; it is certainly possible to create a satisfying environment for everyone.
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We could start by reviving older threads... should give us a good idea of what made them great.


I think in any forum: there is one great post for ever 9 useless posts, which are either chit-chat or are regurgitation posts from intelligent people.

You skim read, misread, and dive in where you think worth it. This is why I try to keep my posts short and to the point, using simple English grammar. No point in killing your self writing what others won't read.

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It is like finding gems in a junk heap; it always has been. Info not found elsewhere.

Yep, long posts tend to get ignored as we have more to do than just read everything, especially when we enter a thread in the later stages. I also shorten long quotes to the part I'm replying to.

Separating pointers helps a lot to keep things manageable for the reader.

Perhaps we could write a sticky on how to keep a forum interesting for everyone.
 

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I think in any forum: there is one great post for ever 9 useless posts, which are either chit-chat or are regurgitation posts from intelligent people.
Sturgeon's Law is always firmly in effect. Imagine any great year in popular music then look at the charts that year ... you'll find that there was a lot of disposable, forgettable noise in addition to the stuff that endured.
 

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Sturgeon's Law is always firmly in effect. Imagine any great year in popular music then look at the charts that year ... you'll find that there was a lot of disposable, forgettable noise in addition to the stuff that endured.

I had heard, and loved, the phrase "90% of everything is crap", but didn't know who created it.. until today!! Now I know that it is Sturgeon's Law! What a smart bunch of folks! Usually I just apply the phrase to popular music, but I'm willing to apply it to web forums too.

Thanks to all of you who do create great threads or contribute to them! I do what I can, although I'm mostly a bike lights and electronics kind of guy.
 

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To the OP, maybe it is due to instant gratification? As soon as a product becomes "cool", a lot of people suddenly have to have it. Maybe the problem is due to lack of knowledge and/or ability, e.g. tools, skills, etc. Perhaps those with knowledge of, say electronics could start educational threads. Topics could include DC electronics, OHMS Law, how to use a multimeter and what to look for when purchasing, etc (apologies if already posted). Those with machining could post relevant topics including mini lathes and recommendations for same, materials to use, etc. (again, apologies if posted).

Point being, if those wits knowledge and skills teach those of us who are interested in DIY (hand raised), I think it would encourage the very threads you, snd I, are looking for. Just my humble opinion.
 

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Fun thread.

Sort of qualifies why I've been away from CPF and not nearly as active as I was during the "Golden Days."

There was a lot of camaraderie, humor, learning, laughing, and relationship building. People genuinely cared about people. Flashlights were the toys that held us together.

Maybe people still care as they used to. It just seems "colder" around here now.
 

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As a group grows the less personal it will be, small family very close everyone is dependant on one another, close relatives some you may barely know, small rural town a sense of community but you won't know everyone, large city very impersonal, As the size of a community grows you are far less personally involved with the members who make up the community, you can't expect a crowd of thousands to feel like a close knit group of friends and family.
Fun thread.

Sort of qualifies why I've been away from CPF and not nearly as active as I was during the "Golden Days."

There was a lot of camaraderie, humor, learning, laughing, and relationship building. People genuinely cared about people. Flashlights were the toys that held us together.

Maybe people still care as they used to. It just seems "colder" around here now.
 
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As a group grows the less personal it will be, small family very close everyone is dependant on one another, close relatives some you may barely know, small rural town a sense of community but you won't know everyone, large city very impersonal, As the size of a community grows you are far less personally involved with the members who make up the community, you can't expect a crowd of thousands to feel like a close knit group of friends and family.

Quite true, Norm.

How have you been? Sorry for being off-topic!
 
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Fun thread.

Sort of qualifies why I've been away from CPF and not nearly as active as I was during the "Golden Days."

There was a lot of camaraderie, humor, learning, laughing, and relationship building. People genuinely cared about people. Flashlights were the toys that held us together.

Maybe people still care as they used to. It just seems "colder" around here now.


I'll second Chronos's thinking.

More than once in this thread its been stated or alluded to: If you don't have something important to post, don't post at all. You're just wasting everyone's time. You're boring, you're lazy, etc etc.

The irony of people complaining about there not being enough "good" threads these days while making these kinds of judgments is impossible to ignore. :wtf: Too often I read posts from people who feel a need to make snide comments rather than just "turn" the page.

Most all here want to make CPF a better place. A good start would be to remember, and practice something that should have been learned in kindergarten: If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

Most all of us comment according to our own paradigm. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but should always be tempered with a lesson I've had to learn since becoming a member of CPF. (the only place I post)

:grouphug: CPF has a diverse membership. Conduct yourself accordingly. :grouphug:


~ Chance
 

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There have been many very good points raised in this thread. As a relatively new member it's hard for me to judge whether the forum really has changed or whether it's just my perceptions of this hobby. I guess it's different for everyone but for me it's probably a combination of many of the points listed.

Acceptable quality high-output flashlights are now mainstream and affordable and LED flashlights is no longer a new and boutique field of endeavour. This is bound to skew the demographic of CPF membership as the NEED to mod or build your own has been reduced (though it's still an interesting hobby).

Creating something like a build thread can be intimidating. I have tinkered with a few little projects at home but I often assume that they may not be of interest to anyone but myself. Also, it certainly is a lot of work to document and compose a decent build thread. Having spent many years designing training materials professionally I have realised that content creation is not a task that everyone can do well. Having said that I certainly still enjoy reading the threads created by others and have learned a lot from them.

Tablets and other mobile devices certainly do make posting content to the forum more difficult than on a regular PC. At least, I still find it that way. Whilst I find Safari on the iPad to be relatively usable I have had a lot of minor UI frustrations with the browsers on my android tablet and phone. Additionally the take-up and popularity of portable devices means that we can login for a spare five minutes simply to read in situations where we wouldn't necessarily have time to fire up a PC and post in-depth stuff.

I thought it was just my own perception after a couple of years of membership but it's interesting that some of you have commented that many people tend to simply ask questions rather than research the forum. It certainly seems to me that the same old questions keep popping up time after time in new threads which gets a bit stale.

I believe there is a valid perception that CPF content is skewed towards the more expensive sections of the market. Whilst I have found most people here to be extremely helpful, I know for fact that some members have moved on because they felt this forum was becoming a bit too elitist. Some of those members now frequent other forums where a lot of interesting modding and build threads can be found. What I do not find so attractive is the hostility that some members here and elsewhere display towards the perceived "competition".

Lastly, whilst I understand that the first rule of CPF is that we don't question the rules of CPF, I personally find that some of the restrictions no matter how well-intentioned end up making information more difficult to find than it needs to be. Even with the best of intentions I have had a few posts modified or deleted for reasons that still aren't entirely clear. This is simply a personal observation on my part and I know not everyone sees it this way.

I still have an active interest in things like alternative energy (and even flashlights :D) and I hope to keep finding useful information for many years to come. But it seems that currently we may have to search through a lot of mundane threads to find the gems. And this will be no different anywhere else.
 

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Fun thread.

Sort of qualifies why I've been away from CPF and not nearly as active as I was during the "Golden Days."

There was a lot of camaraderie, humor, learning, laughing, and relationship building. People genuinely cared about people. Flashlights were the toys that held us together.

Maybe people still care as they used to. It just seems "colder" around here now.

This is another area where it is up to you to make changes happen. Look for the "Christmas donation" threads if you want proof that CPF still cares about its members. I have given away multiple lights, chargers, batteries, etc, to people who seem to need them (not just in the Christmas thread)...if you have a huge collection, as many people here do, you can probably spare an old light or two to make someone's day!

If that doesn't appeal, or isn't practical for you, there are other things you could do...start a "newbie questions" thread, where you take a few minutes each day to answer a question or three to help people learn. Try to connect with people in your area (much easier in some places than in others) and have a real-life get together, where everyone can show off/experience lights that they otherwise wouldn't be able to. Or any of a dozen other ideas...the point is, you have to make it happen. No sense in bitching about it if you aren't working to make it better.

I've only been on CPF for about a year, so I can't comment on how it was "back then", but there are still a lot of great people here, and you can learn a lot about virtually any topic, if you want to. Just because not all the content is totally original, doesn't mean it isn't valuable.
 

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Well, at the first of this month I started the "throwing down the gauntlet" thread. Compared to the "It's LEDs not LED's" thread, the LED thread has about twice as many views and three times as many posts.... draw your own conclusions as to what that indicates!! :D
 
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Stress Test, ET all,

Before any conclusions are drawn, remember the two threads you're contrasting are both in the Cafe. Most members come here to relax and chat. Perhaps your gauntlet thread has led to profound results elsewhere on CPF.

~ Chance
 

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I had recently started a thread in the "general" flashlight section of the forum titled "Flashlight Stories....tell yours here", it may be a good way to start some more interesting discussion with some real life stories. And as my dad always said when out fishing, why ruin a good story with the facts. So tell your stories, embellish if you have to, and have fun!
 
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