Actual Lumen Readings in 10.5in Sphere.

[Mjolnir]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

They were all topped off...

With 4.33A vs. your 4.4A it is not much different, wouldn't you agree? (in regards to 3854 H right) Now, if you got that with the 3853 H then I may have to redo it with new batteries or a new bulb.

That is why some ROP's were tested with 26650's and some with my IMR 18650's.

I know what you mean about the 3854L vs. 3853L, the 54L had more current yet less OTF I used a KD V3 reflector for all the tests, except the WA1185 had a metal OP reflector.

bigC

Is that KD reflector one with a 16mm opening or an 8.3 mm opening? If it is the larger one, then it would obviously lose some lumens that would be going out the front in a different reflector with a smaller hole.
Sorry for all of the questions, and thanks allowing us to finally determine the actual output of the ROP.
I don't see why you are disappointed with these; IMO 500+ OTF lumens from an incandescent light is plenty, especially with a nice full spectrum and good color rendering.

 

[bigchelis]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

Is that KD reflector one with a 16mm opening or an 8.3 mm opening? If it is the larger one, then it would obviously lose some lumens that would be going out the front in a different reflector with a smaller hole.
Sorry for all of the questions, and thanks allowing us to finally determine the actual output of the ROP.
I don't see why you are disappointed with these; IMO 500+ OTF lumens from an incandescent light is plenty, especially with a nice full spectrum and good color rendering.

It is the one with the 15mm opening. I did have the fivemega 2in Deep, but no longer....

I will have to re-test those in the next month with a appropriate reflector and only IMR C cells

 

[bigchelis]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

Hi all,

I just got to test this KL4 Surefire bezel fitted with a P7 by DarkZero. The P7 is direct drive and the current was in fact 2.5A at the tail with an IMR 16340. The body was a vital gear single cell hosts.

I really didn't expect anything above 350 OTF lumens considering even the Malkoff Drop-in P7 DD P60's hesitated to hit this number and only hit 380 with a IMR 18650....Well without further due here are the OTF lumens:

Surefire KL4 w/ P7 DD___________Mod by DarkZero on KL4 bezel_____1 IMR 16340 w/2.5A_______________ 484.6____________1 sec
Surefire KL4 w/ P7 DD____________ Mod by DarkZero on KL4 bezel_______1 IMR 16340 w/2.5A________________ 419.2____________30 sec
Surefire KL4 w/ P7 DD____________ Mod by DarkZero on KL4 bezel_______1 IMR 16340 w/2.5A________________ 393.8____________1 min
Surefire KL4 w/ P7 DD____________ Mod by DarkZero on KL4 bezel_______1 IMR 16340 w/2.5A________________ 378.5____________2 min
Surefire KL4 w/ P7 DD____________ Mod by DarkZero on KL4 bezel_______1 IMR 16340 w/2.5A________________ 366.2____________3 min

The bezel is the one talked about here:
https://www.candlepowerforums.com/threads/210710



EDIT: I finally tested a WA1185 w/ 3 IMR 16340 cells......Surefire M3.

 

[joshconsulting]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

https://www.candlepowerforums.com/threads/260325

Test this. NOW.

Triple-XPG R5 Direct Drive ~1400 lumen - $144
High performance drop-in for P60/D26 applications

 

[bigchelis]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

https://www.candlepowerforums.com/threads/260325

Test this. NOW.

I would love to. The last R2 version did 560 OTF, considering how much more efficient is it logical to assume 700 OTF from the XP-G variant????


I think 700 OTF is possible, but that would be an insult if it did 700 or 800 considering it is sold as 1400 emitter lumens.

Still;
If anyone wants to test their drop-in I am very interested.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[ma_sha1]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

Big C,

I got in touch with the buyer of my 7 XPG Mag2C, he is interested in sending this light to you to test OTF lumens. (7 XPG driven to 1AMP by Blue Shark). https://www.candlepowerforums.com/threads/251539

I believe this is the brightest LED light on Mag C. It doesn't throw as far as the SSR-50, but it looked to me about 1.5-2x the OTF lumens over the SSR-50/5Amp light, so I think it's going to be >1500 OTF at least.
I'd love to see it run & tested on 3x AW IMR123, as I sold the light with 3x RCR18350 in there for longer run time,
I think the IMR 123s are necessary to unleash the full lumen potential of this light.

Are you interested in testing it & sending back to his friend in US? (He is not in the US).

If yes, could you give me the address to ship to or PM him and arrange shipping directly with him (CPF Handle dcaprilia)? Could you let me know what's the the testing turn-around time? (The time in your hands), He would like to be turned around ASAP.

I am willing to cover your return postage & insurance to get the light shipped back to his friends.


Thanks

Ma

 

[Outdoors Fanatic]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

Do you have any SureFire Turbohead lamp assemblies to test? Or any Lumens Factory TH lamps for SureFire?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Moddoo]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

I would love to. The last R2 version did 560 OTF, considering how much more efficient is it logical to assume 700 OTF from the XP-G variant????


I think 700 OTF is possible, but that would be an insult if it did 700 or 800 considering it is sold as 1400 emitter lumens.

Still;
If anyone wants to test their drop-in I am very interested.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Using some rough numbers, I think these should maintain over 1000 OTF for a few minutes.
This is multiplying in the 88.7% optic efficiency, and 90% for 60C Junction temp. (- glass transmission??)

But, hey, we can guess all day long, and it doesn't mean squat really.

I'll send you one sometime soon.

Currently planning on building my own sphere.
I'll need a bit of advice, so that we can ensure mine is accurate.

Thanks for keeping the testing going.
I like the layout of the thread so far also.

 

[bigchelis]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

Do you have any SureFire Turbohead lamp assemblies to test? Or any Lumens Factory TH lamps for SureFire?

Thanks in advance!

I used to have a KT4 with pretty much all the Surefire bulbs, but not anymore.

My KT-1 also is no longer with me, but it was fiitted with a IMR700 lamp for added throw IMHO at least.

My buddy has the D36 Surefire M3 bezel, so technically I can put some surefire lamps in that right????

I also have a TLS M body with 18650 extentions to run those Surefire Lamps with eighter AW 2600mAh cells or IMR 18650 cells, but I have noticed the shock isolation ring takes up 15~20% of the lumens. I think it is a combination of the shock isolation and the lack of UCL lens in those stock KT4 and M bezels from Surefire.

We saw this again while testig Kramer5151 P60 drop-ins in his Surefire M2, I warned him it would happen and sure enough it did. We actually measure his drop-in then swap on a Solarforce bezel w/UCL lens and SS flat ring and we get 20% more OTF lumens.


EDIT: For this reason alone I think the best bezel to test Surefire Lamps is the KT-1 or KT-2 because they don't have that shock isolation...Then I would have to figure out a way to put a UCL lens or what that be cheating...

 

[joshconsulting]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

Cheating. I'm surprised at the few people who use UCLs. It's like moving up an entire binning in brightness.

 

[bigchelis]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

Cheating. I'm surprised at the few people who use UCLs. It's like moving up an entire binning in brightness.

The reason I say cheating is because to put a UCL lens in a KT-4 or M size bezel is a lot more difficult then if you did it to a Solaforce or 6P bezel. I think the average person will not go through all the trouble, but then again this is Candlepowerforum

 

[bigchelis]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

I have a 1C Mag made by Nailbender with an SST-50 direct drive and a D2flex switch installed. The switch was my attemp to regulate the current.


I used a DX C un-protected cell and got great results...., but I know the IMR C cell can deliver more juice. When I put a IMR C cell at 4.21V ( topped off) the color of the beam goes from normal vanilla/green to BLUE. I don't want to kill my LED, but I want to test the SST-50 on high mode with IMR C cell.

My solution is to test a depleted IMR C cell. I can however test the SST-50 1C Mag on the 2nd from highest mode and no blue tint. Here are my results with a topped off IMR C cell and 2nd level.

725ish turn-on and 632 at 3 minutes. Not bad considering it is not the highest mode.


EDIT: Well; I did the SST-50 1C Mag on high with IMR C cell at 4.10V and you can see my list for the OTF #s...

 

[kramer5150]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

Spent some time at Joses place last night... showing him some DIY tricks and measuring some of my lights. Hopefully he'll get off the couch and upload the Lumen data... LOL

Pics of us modding his TLS M-series beast.

Measuring some of my lights. I think many of you will find this data very useful, since none of these lights are modded in any way. I did not use IMR cells either, except for the SF-A2, where we measured output with both IMR and Ultrafire blue cells.

Noteworthy performances (from my memory):

SF-A2-INCAN = ~90 Lumens after 3 minutes, output did not significantly change with IMR-16340 cells. Rock Solid regulation, on par with any LED and under-rated by SF.

SF-E2L-Outdorsman (KX2 Dual-mode head) = ~100 Lumens after 3 minutes. Solid regulation and under-rated by Surefire.

ITP-A3-EOS = This little bugger was a big surprise. It maintained ~75L after 3 minutes.

 

[bigchelis]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

The Aviator is in post #2 as it is mostly incan.

The Surefire Outdoorsmand is in post #1.


I will re-test the ROP's with an OP reflector that has an opening about half the size of the KD v3 15mm one. It is soo small that the ROP bulbs barely fit..just barely. I will use topped off IMR 26650's since they provide the most current and double check the voltage and current every time.:thumbsup:

 

[recDNA]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

The Aviator is in post #2 as it is mostly incan.

The Surefire Outdoorsmand is in post #1.


I will re-test the ROP's with an OP reflector that has an opening about half the size of the KD v3 15mm one. It is soo small that the ROP bulbs barely fit..just barely. I will use topped off IMR 26650's since they provide the most current and double check the voltage and current every time.:thumbsup:

I notice you tested a Javelin (a personal fav.) with an MC-E drop in. Did you do anything special to heat sink it? Any chance I could get you to run a test with 2 X L91's? That's what I use.

 

[bigchelis]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

I notice you tested a Javelin (a personal fav.) with an MC-E drop in. Did you do anything special to heat sink it? Any chance I could get you to run a test with 2 X L91's? That's what I use.

I tested 2 different DX P60 MC-E drop-ins. Both are the 3 mode ones and both make 350ish OTF with a IMR 18650.

But,

One makes 50ish more lumens with a Javelin and 3 NiMH AA cell vs. the other sample. I labeled them #1 and #2 to show they are completely different drop-ins. I just put cooper tape ( alot) around the drop-in till it fits snug. I dont have L91 cells?

The DX drop-ins are good up to 4.2V, but topped off AA NiMH are about 1.45V under no load.

Jose

 

[bigchelis]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

3854 Low updates:

When I first tested the ROP 3854L it was with 2 IMR 18650 and while the current was identical I got more lumens out the front with the bigger IMR 26650. I used a 8mm (really small hole) MOP reflector for the IMR 26650 tests. For the IMR 18650 tests I used a KD V3 15mm reflector.




2C Mag w/ROP__________ROP 3854L _________2 IMR 18650 AW cells w/2.08A__234.6____1 sec
2C Mag w/ROP____________ROP 3854L ___________2 IMR 18650 AW cells w/2.08A_____220.0_____30 sec
2C Mag w/ROP____________ROP 3854L ___________2 IMR 18650 AW cells w/2.08A_____216.9_____1 min
2C Mag w/ROP____________ROP 3854L ___________2 IMR 18650 AW cells w/2.08A_____213.8_____2 min
2C Mag w/ROP____________ROP 3854L ___________2 IMR 18650 AW cells w/2.08A_____211.5_____3 min
2C Mag w/ROP__________ROP 3854L _________2 IMR 26650 w/2A____________296.2____1 sec
2C Mag w/ROP____________ROP 3854L ___________2 IMR 26650 w/ 2A_______________272.3_____30 sec
2C Mag w/ROP____________ROP 3854L ___________2 IMR 26650 w/ 2A_______________267.7_____1 min
2C Mag w/ROP____________ROP 3854L ___________2 IMR 26650 w/ 2A_______________261.5_____2 min
2C Mag w/ROP____________ROP 3854L ___________2 IMR 26650 w/ 2A_______________261.5_____3 min

I re-tested the WA1185 with topped off IMR C 26500 cells. Each cell was at 4.22v each and I got 3.6A at the tail. After 3 minute run I checked the current and it was 3.3A.

2D Mag w/bi-pin kit_____WA1185__________3 IMR 26500 AW cells drained a bit __1080____1 sec
2D Mag w/bi-pin kit________WA1185______________3 IMR 26500 AW cells_____________1175.4_______30 sec
2D Mag w/bi-pin kit________WA1185______________3 IMR 26500 AW cells_____________1145.4_______1 min
2D Mag w/bi-pin kit________WA1185______________3 IMR 26500 AW cells_____________1113.1_______2 min
2D Mag w/bi-pin kit________WA1185______________3 IMR 26500 AW cells_____________1085.4_______3 min
2D Mag w/bi-pin kit_____WA1185__________3 IMR 26500 3.6A & topped off cell __1246.2_____ 1 sec
2D Mag w/bi-pin kit________WA1185___________3 IMR 26500 3.6A & topped off cell______1007.7______30 sec
2D Mag w/bi-pin kit________WA1185___________3 IMR 26500 3.6A & topped off cell______973.1_______1 min
2D Mag w/bi-pin kit________WA1185___________3 IMR 26500 3.6A & topped off cell______953.1_______2 min
2D Mag w/bi-pin kit________WA1185___________3 IMR 26500 3.6A & topped off cell______922.3_______3 min



Regards,
bigC

 

[recDNA]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

I tested 2 different DX P60 MC-E drop-ins. Both are the 3 mode ones and both make 350ish OTF with a IMR 18650.

But,

One makes 50ish more lumens with a Javelin and 3 NiMH AA cell vs. the other sample. I labeled them #1 and #2 to show they are completely different drop-ins. I just put cooper tape ( alot) around the drop-in till it fits snug. I dont have L91 cells?

The DX drop-ins are good up to 4.2V, but topped off AA NiMH are about 1.45V under no load.

Jose

I may have used the wrong item number. I was referring to the 1.7 volt Energizer Ultra Lithium AA primaries. I figure I can get almost the voltage from two batteries that you get from 3 ( I forgot you're using more powerful rechargeable batteries than Eneloops). The Javelin is a little long with three batteries. Whatever the output is I'm thrilled with it with my Dereelight XP-G drop in.

I'll have to get some copper tape if I try an MC-E. I never thought it would be possible to run an MC-E with fewer than 4 AA's.

 

[joshconsulting]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

Any chance of getting a Quark MiNi with a 123 and RCR123 in there? From my calculations, it should make 236 OTF with an RCR, handily beating the Rosimen. I'm trying to convince myself to switch from my K-106 to the Quark, but I love the GITD switch and reflector on the K-106, and the memory mode is awesome - I virtually never use anything but high, so the quark's turning on low is a big disadvantage. Plus, I already have several 14500 batteries. The only advantage is that the Quark is slightly smaller, but I'm not sure that's worth the loss of instant high, halved battery life, and an extra $50 for a light + batteries. Even with the short battery life, it has roughly equal output to the K-106. I just can't see myself leaving a $12 light that I never worry about losing. It's perfect in every way.

Someday when the warm XP-Gs come out, it might convince me to switch over. The warm color of my (soon to be shipped out) DBS\SST-50 had noticeably better CRI then my K-106, and made it look slightly blue in comparison.

 

[bigchelis]

Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

I don't have the Quarks anymore and I think Craig might have sent them back already too.