Flashlight for friends work.

bstrickler

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So, me being the flashlight connoisseur, according to my friend, he hired me to do a search for a light for his work that's preferably under $40, and ~300 lumens. His employer is looking to buy about 120, possibly more, lights, and being cheap and wanting simple lights, they want a AA style light.

1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?

____I would like to purchase the light in person from a brick and mortar store. I am located in ______________.
___X_This will be mail-order or Online (location doesn't matter).


2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :)

____I don't know yet
____Up to $25.
__X__Up to $50.
____Up to $100.
____Up to $200.
____Up to $300.
____Essentially unlimited.


3) Format:

____I am not sure, please help me decide.
___X_I want a flashlight (hand held/self contained).
____I want a self-contained headlamp.
____I want a headlamp with an external pack/power source.
____I want a mounted light (typically for a bicycle or vehicle)
____I want a lantern/area light.
____I want a portable spotlight (it may have an external power source).
____Other ____________________________________________


4) Size:

____MICRO - Keychain size.
____TINY - Every day carry (2-4 inches).
___X_SMALL - Every day carry (4-7 inches).
_X___MEDIUM - Holster/belt ring carry. (>7 inches)
____LARGE - Big enough to need its own travel case.
____I don't know/I don't care.


5) Emitter/Light source:

_X___LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
____Incandescent (known for superior color rendition)
____HID (known for max output, but often at the expense of size)
____I don't know.


6) Manufacturer:

__X__I want to buy a light from a large/traditional manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
____I would like a light from a specialty manufacturer (Possibly limited run/Custom).
____I am interested in assembling my own components. (for example a "host" or flashlight body from one manufacturer, and a "drop-in" emitter from another source).


7) What power source do you want to use?

__X__I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Alkaline batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
____I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Lithium batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D and CR123 sized cells common to most stores (often a cold weather or long storage choice).
____I intend to use Rechargeable cells (NiMH or NiCD) based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
____I intend to use Rechargeable cells based on less common formats (18500 or 18650 Li-Ion, RCR123, et-al).
____I want a light with an integrated rechargeable battery pack.
____I don't know/I need more information on power sources.


7a) If you have selected a rechargeable option
____I want a light that plugs directly into the wall (literally with prongs built into the light)
____I want a light that has a recharging adapter (your typical "wall wart")
____I want a light that snaps into a cradle (usually mounted on a wall)
____I want a separate/stand-alone charger (this involves removing the batteries to charge)
____I don't care


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is not a happy experience).

____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (1-10 lumens).
____I want an indoor "blackout" light (15-50 lumens)
____I want to confidently walk around an unlit/unpaved rural area (60-150 lumens).
__X__I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
____I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
____I want search and rescue type illumination (800+ lumens).

____SPECIAL NOTE: Burst/Turbo mode Category - There are several lights that will run at a super bright maximum for a very limited period (usually 5-10 minutes) and then will "step-down" to a lower level for thermal control. Check here if this is acceptable.


9) Flood vs Throw: Flood covers an area, Throw reaches out to a distance.

____All Flood: I am doing "arms length" tasks like reading and campsite cooking.
____Wide Flood: I want a defined flood area for semi-close tasks like after-dark campsite tasks or working on a car.
__X__Narrow Flood: I want a sharply defined flood area that will project some distance for tasks like trail walking.
__X__Wide Throw: I want a beam with a noticeable hot-center for distance throw and a significant amount of "side-spill". Good for rough trail hiking, search and rescue, and general distance work.
____Narrow Throw: I want a beam with a very tight "hot center" and minimal "side-spill". Good for distance viewing, fog, and looking through dense undergrowth.
____Turbohead: I want a far-distance projector with a sharply focused spot of light and minimal or zero side-spill. Good for extreme distance and impressing your friends.

9a) Distance: How far away will you typically need to see with this light (check all that apply)
____Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
__X__Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
__X__5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
__X__30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
____50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
____150+ yards (I am searching from a helicopter)

10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum continuous output).

____Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
__X__30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
____90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
____3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).




11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A "night-stand" light).
__X__Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
__X__Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
____Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
____I don't know.


12) Switch Size, Type, and location (choose all that apply):

____Any size switch will do.
____I need a BIG switch (I'll be using gloves or have very large hands or coordination issues).
____I want a forward clicky (Helpful for momentary activation and signaling).
____I want a reverse clicky (For use with multi-mode/level lights).
____I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
____I want a twisty switch (Tighten the head/tailcap to activate, and the light will stay on until the head/tailcap is loosened).
____I want a body mounted switch (near the head, like on a Maglite).
____I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today's high end lights).
____I want a remote switch (usually found on high-end bicycle headlights)
____I don't care.
__X__I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________________.


13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

____A simple on-off with only one output level is fine for me.
____I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a programmable light.
____I want a selector ring.
____I want a strobe mode. (Oscillating pattern to confuse/blind aka "Police Mode")
____I want SOS mode. (blinks in ---...--- emergency pattern)
____I want a beacon mode. (Regular flashes at full power to show location.)
____I don't care.
____I don't know.


14)Material/Finish/Coating

____Plastic/composite body (this may limit your choices significantly).
____Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today's higher end flashlights).
____Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)
____Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
____I don't care.
__X__I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________.

15) Water resistance
____None needed
__X__IPX4 (Splash resistant)
__X__IPX7 (Waterproof to 1 meter/30min)
____IPX8 (Submersible to greater than 1 meter for 4 hours)

16) Storage conditions
____In house (temperature/climate controlled environment)
____Emergency kit (long standby periods)
____Automobile glove-box (wide temperature swings, long standby periods, critical reliability)
____Other____Casino_____________________________________ ____


17) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any/all below.

____Red filter (for preserving night vision).
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
____"Hybrid" light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
__X__Pocket/belt clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Crenulated bezel
____Non-sparking, Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
 

Str8stroke

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Nitecore MT21A is a nice light. Runs on two AA's. Has reverse polarity protection. This is pretty important for folks who don't know flashlights and batteries well.

Maybe check out some lights on one of the vendors or GearBest and then contact them to do a group buy.
 

bstrickler

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That was one of the ones I found that is in their range.
I also found these other lights

Nitecore MT2
Olight T25
Fenix E20
Klarus P2A

I was going to suggest the Klarus RS18, until he told me how many lights they'd need. That would be a wiring nightmare!
 

reppans

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FourSevens Quark Click QK2A-X - they can custom program the modes, and mode sequence for individual needs. Has last mode memory and a swappable forward or reverse clicky. A custom program one is $53 delivered, but I'm sure a bulk order discount could be negotiated. A bit more expensive than other Chinese made lights, but few can match their stand-up US warranty/customer service in this price range.
 

WarRaven

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Pocket clips get broken, removed, lost.
Take a look at Fenix E25.
Great performance, budget friendly, multi fuel, primaries or NiMHs.
Tough and rugged.
Jmtc.
 

KeepingItLight

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As a fan of neutral white, I remain interested in the ThruNite Archer 2A V2 NW. It lists for about $33 USD. I have never tried one, though, so I cannot really recommend it. Eagletac also makes a variety of neutral-white models.

You should be able to get a significant discount with a purchase of 120 lights. Insist on it. If the company has to supply batteries on an ongoing basis, Eneloops should be cheaper than alkalines. I'm not sure why you did not list them in your spec.
 

gclyn

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As a fan of neutral white, I remain interested in the ThruNite Archer 2A V2 NW. It lists for about $33 USD. I have never tried one, though, so I cannot really recommend it. Eagletac also makes a variety of neutral-white models.

You should be able to get a significant discount with a purchase of 120 lights. Insist on it. If the company has to supply batteries on an ongoing basis, Eneloops should be cheaper than alkalines. I'm not sure why you did not list them in your spec.

I have the Thrunite Archer 2A V2 and it's a great flashlight for the money...has a great moonlight low mode and a nice high mode. It's a solidly made light and small enough to keep in your pocket. But it uses 18650 or 2xC123a batteries...not AA.
 

TheShadowGuy

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I have the Thrunite Archer 2A V2 and it's a great flashlight for the money...has a great moonlight low mode and a nice high mode. It's a solidly made light and small enough to keep in your pocket. But it uses 18650 or 2xC123a batteries...not AA.
The 2A uses 2 AA batteries. The very similar Thrunite Archer 2C V2 uses an 18650 or 2xC123a batteries. Could that be what you have?

+1 from me on the idea of negotiating a group buy on the ThruNite Archer 2A V2 NW. On paper it does what you need it to do, it can easily come in under budget, and I've seen a fair number of decent reviews on it. Even if you can't find this light on a site that allows negotiation for large purchases, you may find a different light that would be almost as cheap. Hooray bulk purchasing!

What type of work is this employer wanting to provide lights for? Is it some kind of general purpose light, or does it need to be suitable for a particular task?

Also, if the employer is providing batteries, a proper charging station and an army of Eneloops (or rebranded Eneloops) would be a lot cheaper than a frequent supply of alkalines.
 
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KeepingItLight

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In another thread, a poster alerted me to the fact that the ThruNite Archer A2 V2 NW uses an odd mode spacing on the low end.

Here are the specs from the ThruNite web site: Firefly: 0.11 lumens (672 hours); Low: 15 lumens (96 hours); Medium: 69 lumens (11 hours); High: 430 lumens (100 minutes).

At 0.11 lumens, the firefly mode is too low for some. The next mode, 15 lumens, is then too high. Optimal spacing might require five modes, spaced along these lines: 0.4, 3, 30, 110, 430 lumens. (The lower three in this list are what I have my Zebralight SC62w configured for.)

Edit: In a work setting, where flashlights are used in lighted workspaces, the modes I suggest are probably not as good as the ones ThruNite has selected. Ignoring the firefly, a 15-lumen low will be more useful than a 3-lumen level. Outdoors in the dark is where I frequently use both the 0.4 and the 3 lumen settings of my Zebralight.
 
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