I notice that most if not all HDS high CRI lights, regardless of color temperature, are only at 200 lumens. Why is this a magic number for HDS?
BTW, I don't recall a 250 lms HICRI either.
Isn't the current HICRI using the 219c?
I notice that most if not all HDS high CRI lights, regardless of color temperature, are only at 200 lumens. Why is this a magic number for HDS?
BTW, I don't recall a 250 lms HICRI either.
Isn't the current HICRI using the 219c?
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200 lumens isn't a "magic number" for HDS. 1 amp is. HDS drivers have always (at least for many many iterations now) been 1 amp drivers. ...
So what you can actually see by looking back through past HDS models is how LED tech is advancing. We've gone from 60 and 85 lumen lights, which were still 1 amp drivers, through 120s and 170s, to now 250 and 325 lumen lights at 1 amp using some of the newer Crees like the XP-L. Henry's very slow when accepting new emitters, you won't see him using the "latest and greatest" until its thoroughly proven, but he does slowly advance his lights as tech advances, but always sticking to that 1 amp current level.
...which brings us to your second question. No, the current Hcri lights are not 219c. They're still 219b. And a 219b at 1 amp makes about 200 lumens after you account for lens losses and such. So there we are. But Henry has now at least been exposed to how good a 219c can be through the recent group buys, and those emitters are capable of hitting 250+, possibly even 300 OTF at 1 amp while still being High CRI. Plus 219b is getting harder to find anyway, Nichia seems to be slowing down that production in favor of newer emitters. So while I don't know anything for sure, I think its safe to assume a future where the 219b lights are no longer being made, instead 219c is the normal offering, and it will be making more than 200 lumens I'm sure.
Steve,
I can feel your pain. Spending this money on a light, one would expect everything to be up to every nanometer of specs if not better.
I believe he just did three different 219C variations, 4000K
No, the current Hcri lights are not 219c. They're still 219b
You're assuming Henry builds it. That wasn't what I was implying . But that aside surely he wouldn't keep doing that if the 219c became standard. He doesn't tune down the xpl to match the xpg2...no
yes, the HDS High CRI on henrys site is 219b
fwiw
219c is more yellow/green than 219b, so unless you want a cooler color temperature, I would stay with the N219b HDS
the 219c CAN be brighter than the 219b @ 1amp, but Henry dials them down to match the 200 lumen "limit". therefore the 219c will have longer runtime than 219b, IF both are at 200 lumens.
You're assuming Henry builds it.
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Also I've had and built lots and lots of 219cs. I've only had one individual unit I'd classify as green. They're really rare. Yellowish maybe, but that's just because they're not as rosy as 219bs tend to be.
I went back through the HDS thread and it was, in fact, the 4000K, 5000K, and 5700K Nichia 219C's that were recently built.noI believe he just did three different 219C variations, 4000K
I went back through the HDS thread and it was, in fact, the 4000K, 5000K, and 5700K Nichia 219C's that were recently built.
In the HDS thread. Hogo had a run of each done, and now a second run of 219C 5700K is in progress. http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...stems-EDC-19&p=5091277&viewfull=1#post5091277ok, thanks for the fact checking. I think there is a misunderstanding about what Im talking about as being offered by HDS website, and some special orders.. I agree the special order through Thorshammerleather.com used N219c 5000k and 5700k, I even agree usdiver has mentioned having one of only 4? 4000k N219c (where is that link?), but those are not "normal" orders off the HDS website.
the HDS Systems High CRI on their website is N219b
pic is a link
? He made 4000K, 5000K, and 5700K and they were all 200 lumens. Others have mentioned that the 219C's should hit 300-350 lumens at 1A. I think it should be close as well, but Henry initially told Hogo he didn't think they would hit 250 lumens based on their specs. Then, after being tested, he programmed them to 200 lumens. I was simply just trying to add another data point that was pertinent to this thread.I believe Jon is right. But you are technically both right, when we are talking about the limited runs from Hogo
4000k 219c was a run of 4
5000k was a run of 24
5700k was a run of 24 and Hogo is currently doing the second run
Another option i believe is also in the works closer to incan, a very warm version.