The next day sky is so clean.
About 9 inches of water in the basement. It came up from the traps. Apparently more water than the city sewers could handle. I'll wait for it drain once the rain stops then begin the cleanup. This is the worst flooding I remember in the 43 years I've been here.
It's beautiful out, I just finished an overnight but don't want to go to sleep yet.The next day sky is so clean.
With a slab build, seems like there ought to be some sort of pneumatic plug that could be inserted into the line down the cleanout outside that could prevent backflow into the house. I imagine that basements also have cleanouts, but I'm not familiar with those particulars.Dang... I knew this. Should have mentioned it. Not sure how to prevent sewer backflow though.
As near as I can tell, and I could be wrong, what happened was all the water landing on the roof, going into the gutters, and from there into the pipe leading to the city sewer, was what backed up into my basement. A plug or one-way valve from the city sewer wouldn't have prevented it. The city sewer was saturated. Nothing from the homes was draining into it. I don't think there was much backflow from the city sewer. It looked like muddy water more than raw sewage. Smelled like muddy water also. NYC unfortunately mandates that gutters have to drain into your sewer pipe, not into your driveway or elsewhere on your property. That rationale here is lots of houses pouring water from their gutter drains could quickly flood sidewalks and streets, so they want that to go right into the sewer. Usually it works fine, at least until the sewer is overwhelmed, as it was last night. I'm thinking of getting a sump pump and putting it in the front trap (the one nearest the city sewer). If there's overflow, the sump pump would in theory pump the water out into the driveway.With a slab build, seems like there ought to be some sort of pneumatic plug that could be inserted into the line down the cleanout outside that could prevent backflow into the house. I imagine that basements also have cleanouts, but I'm not familiar with those particulars.
Are there no storm drains in NYC? There's considerable infrastructure in DFW for removing large volumes of storm water runoff, but that's likely related to the region's propensity for thunderstorms that can deliver several inches of rain in less than an hour.NYC unfortunately mandates that gutters have to drain into your sewer pipe, not into your driveway or elsewhere on your property.
About 60% of NYC has a combined storm/sewer system, and 40% has a separate storm system. I think we're in the latter group but I'm not sure. We do have storm drains on the block. I heard the head of the DEP on the news today mention if the rainfall exceeds about 2 inches per hour we're going to have problems. And the governor said at this point we have to expect so-called one in 200 year events to happen more regularly and design for them. They were already in the process of doing $2 billion in sewer work in southeastern Queens. I imagine after this we're going to be rethinking the entire system.Are there no storm drains in NYC? There's considerable infrastructure in DFW for removing large volumes of storm water runoff, but that's likely related to the region's propensity for thunderstorms that can deliver several inches of rain in less than an hour.
NYC rule. I could them run into a water barrel instead if I want, and use that for gardening. But I can't let them run into my yard or my property. Point of fact a lot of houses here don't even have yards, so the water would end up running onto the sidewalk.Re to post 66:
Why do your roof down spouts run directly to the sewer?
Why not onto the yard? Enviro regs?
That could work also, assuming you have enough yard to absorb most of the water.In my state there are regulations to interupt the down spout from flowing straight to the street on new apartments etc. But it involves much of the water perking into the soil with the overflow reaching the storm sewer system via curb and gutters or swales. Very beneficial for bushes and landscaped areas.
NYC rule. I could them run into a water barrel instead if I want, and use that for gardening. But I can't let them run into my yard or my property. Point of fact a lot of houses here don't even have yards, so the water would end up running onto the sidewalk.
That could work also, assuming you have enough yard to absorb most of the water.
How in the hell do you rebuild from this? Poor people.