The SureFire P2X-B "Fury" 500lu flashlight thread

[Size15's]

That's because they're made in the Nanny State, AKA the Socialist Republik of Kalifornia; If they were made in Arizona, for example, they'd still be nice and golden!

It's not just California that is following the European Union's lead in environmental stewardship, it's because SureFire want to sell products internationally and along with CE marking if you put goods covered by RoHS onto the EU market, they must not contain more than the allowed levels of certain hazardous substances.

The Restriction of Hazardous Substances (RoHS) directive restricts the use of mercury, lead, hexavalent chromium, cadmium and a range of flame retardants notably polybrominated biphenyls and polybrominated diphenyl ethers. There are a number of exemptions for the use of the hazardous substances for specific technical uses where alternatives do not presently exist. There are also permissible maximum concentration values which allow for any trace presence.

SureFire is not just committed to producing the world's finest illumination tools™ and tactical equipment — we're also committed to making SureFire products as environmentally friendly as possible. Consequently, we engineer and manufacture products to be RoHS (Restriction of Hazardous Substances) and WEEE (Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment) compliant. All SureFire products and packaging shipped to destinations falling under the jurisdiction of RoHS and/or WEEE are tested and certified prior to shipping.

http://www.surefire.com/rohs-weee

Where there are alternatives such as in the case of the internal and threads protective finish this means no longer using the coloured Chem Film due to it containing hexavalent chromium.

RoHS and WEEE are not obscure regulations for California (other States are considering similar regulations) - they are for the 27 member states of the European Union of almost 500 million people and regulate our impact on the rest of the world through the waste we generate and how we should manage it. RoHS and WEE are for human health and environmental protection what CE is for safety. They ensure that products are not only assessed for their safety in use but also at the end of life too.

In this digital age the need to be responsible for our e-waste has never been greater. The impact illegal (or at the very least immoral) export of waste for processing in non-OECD countries such as China and India is having on human health and the environment is tragic, catastrophic and shaming all of us for our consumerism and greed.

Al

 

[dougie]

I may not be totally in sync with you on all occasions Al but this was a brilliant post and thank you for highlighting the problems we cause for ourselves and others in the products we buy and use!

 

[steveG]

Man, still no beam shots... looking forward to seeing this one. I really don't think I'll be able to resist.

Can anyone compare the beam to a common light? Thrower? Flood? Somewhere in between?

 

[naked2]

I know this has swayed off the topic a bit, so these will be my last comments.

I don't disagree with the reasons for implementing standards like RoHS and WEEE, but also stand behind my views of the state in which I've lived my entire life, and still love, despite its socialistic tendencies. Countless businesses have left California for states with much more favorable regulations. Others have simply been forced out of business altogether, affecting countless business owners, their families, their employees, their employees families, etc.; a HUGE contributing factor of California's 2nd highest unemployment rate in the nation (announced today). Higher only is Nevada, sharing most of our eastern border, whose economy is DIRECTLY affected by ours. Of course, you guys have Greece; how they doin'?

I do believe SureFire is somewhat concerned with the environment, but as you stated, Al, "it's because SureFire want to sell products internationally"; to sell, they MUST comply! And as far as this statement: "SureFire is not just committed to producing the world's finest illumination tools™ and tactical equipment — we're also committed to making SureFire products as environmentally friendly as possible", there are countless Californian's (officials and citizens alike) who would find many of SureFire's products, such as their high capacity magazines, not in any way friendly to the environment at all! But to be perfectly clear, I'm not one of them! By the way, possessing those magazines, as well as MANY other SureFire products is a felony charge for California citizens, but not in Nevada, Arizona, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Texas, as well as many other states; further evidence of what I was pointing out about California in my earlier post.

The main point I'm making, Al, is the statements by you and SureFire in your post all sound well and good, but the bottom line is that SureFire is in business to make a profit, and there's nothing wrong with that! And again, to be clear, I'm a proud SureFire owner, and proud SureFire is a California company, and am glad they've stayed here!

Tony

 

[hiluxxulih]

I see my new Fury has a Ce on it and it has an F with a C and a little c inside of the big C on the package , what is that for ?

 

[Kestrel]

I see my new Fury has a Ce on it and it has an F with a C and a little c inside of the big C on the package , what is that for ?

Scrabble

 

[Schuey2002]

I see my new Fury has a Ce on it and it has an F with a C and a little c inside of the big C on the package , what is that for ?

FCC = Federal Communications Commission.

Ce =

The CE marking (an acronym for the French "Conformite Europeenne") certifies that a product has met EU health, safety, and environmental requirements, which ensure consumer safety.

 

[FrankW438]

This looks like it could be my next best duty flashlight. Does anyone know if it will fit the SF V70 holster? I haven't seen any specs on the diameter of the body, only the head. Does anyone know for sure the body diameter, other than the speculation I've read here and there?

-- Frank

 

[tab665]

Man, still no beam shots... looking forward to seeing this one. I really don't think I'll be able to resist.

Can anyone compare the beam to a common light? Thrower? Flood? Somewhere in between?

Matt provided selfbuilt with an invictus to review, perhaps the holiday spirit will strike him to provide a fury as well.

 

[JohnnyLunar]

As most of you probably know, this new Fury's stats are listed as such (from batteryjunction's website):

High: 500 lumens (1.5 hours)
Low: 15 lumens (46 hours)
Length: 5.4"
Bezel: 1.375"
Price: $155

I am curious, other than the desire to just own a new Surefire model, what's the advantage of this $155 light, if you can put something like a 500-lumen Nailbender XM-L in a P60 body, and have almost identical stats, and arguably equal quality, for about half the price?

For someone who isn't into the P60 lego game, I can see the attraction of this "budget" powerhouse from Surefire. But I see no advantage, and in fact I see some major disadvantages, when compared to what you can do these days with a P60 host. A year ago, I would have been all over this new Fury. But since then, I have gotten into rechargeable batteries, P60 hosts and drop-ins, and I can't justify anything about this light.

Maybe if I see some beam shots, and hear some glowing reviews, I'll change my mind. Perhaps Surefire will come out with a single-mode version for someone who might like this Fury as a weapon-mounted light. But other than the best lumen/dollar ratio yet from Surefire, what's the attraction?

 

[TyJo]

That's why I won't be getting one. The only difference IMO, and it is a big one, is the Surefire warranty.

 

[slumber]

People who want turn-key products and don't want to think too much about their light will love the Fury. I had my doubts about the G2X and 6PX too, but the beam patterns are awesome on both. With Legos, you're kinda taking a chance things will mesh together as good as you'd like. With a turn-key light, if you're not satisfied or you have an issue, you only have to deal with one manufacturer.

 

[hiluxxulih]

FCC = Federal Communications Commission.

Ce =

I wonder why the FCC cares about flashlights

 

[BIGLOU]

Got mine today. Cheers to Battery Junction for the quick delivery, I got a email notification that my Fury was shipped on Monday and got it today Wednesday. I got my free BJ keychain light and 8 free SF batteries plus the CPF discount.
Cheers to USPS too I was taking care of some errands and the mail came while I was gone, they had left a notice that my package was going to be ready tomorrow for pick up but a USPS employee instead of saying to come back tomorrow was super cool and was able to retrieve my package.

Here is my Fury with Overeadys HDS/Z59 Black Clip, I also threw a red Jetbeam O-ring between the tailcap and body. I felt something named Fury had to have a little red in it. One thing I noticed is that the tailcap has to be pretty much on tight or the light will act funny. I was almost thinking it was faulty as it was acting funny but tightened up the tailcap and worked fine. Also it looks like SF was not too generous with the Nyogel as I had to put a little more on it came kind of dry.

 

[Tommygun45]

For the love of God can someone walk outside and snap a picture of the beam on this thing?

 

[Rocky1927]

For the love of God can someone walk outside and snap a picture of the beam on this thing?

AMEN! :thumbsup:

 

[hiluxxulih]

My camera has apparently grown legs and disappeared but rest assured the Fury's beam is gloriuos .

 

[Rocky1927]

Does it throw or flood? How does it compare with the TIR beam of a Backup or an X300???

 

[Tana]

So is this XML U2 considering Surefire is rating it at minimum 500lm ???

M91 drives XML at 2A and I have initial model that Gene rates at 450lm after warm up... so Surefire being premium brand is going for premium XML's, if I'm not mistaken...

I wish U2's are available for us mortals as they are for major companies...

This is really good light to have even if one already have Hound Dog XML, Triple XPG, M91, Nailbender XML 2.8A 105C, Nailbender XML 2.8A buck driver, Vinh DD XML... and Solarforce Pro-1 head coming...

 

[naked2]

Got mine today. Cheers to Battery Junction for the quick delivery, I got a email notification that my Fury was shipped on Monday and got it today Wednesday. I got my free BJ keychain light and 8 free SF batteries plus the CPF discount.
Cheers to USPS too I was taking care of some errands and the mail came while I was gone, they had left a notice that my package was going to be ready tomorrow for pick up but a USPS employee instead of saying to come back tomorrow was super cool and was able to retrieve my package.

Here is my Fury with Overeadys HDS/Z59 Black Clip, I also threw a red Jetbeam O-ring between the tailcap and body. I felt something named Fury had to have a little red in it. One thing I noticed is that the tailcap has to be pretty much on tight or the light will act funny. I was almost thinking it was faulty as it was acting funny but tightened up the tailcap and worked fine. Also it looks like SF was not too generous with the Nyogel as I had to put a little more on it came kind of dry.

SureFire flashlights have LOTCs (Lock Out Tail Cap). They are designed to "lock out" the switch from accidental operation (in a bag, pocket, etc.) by loosening the tailcap 1/4 turn. Your HDS clip and JetBeam o-ring are impeding your SureFire's LOTC from functioning properly. Without the aftermarket accessories installed, the LOTC needs only to be hand tight to make contact.


Also, can you take a picture down the Fury's business end, so we can see the reflector and (assumed) XM-L?