trailhunter
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Were all self made virologists
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Haha, to some extent even the experts are.
I am not an epidemiologist but I do have a Bachelors Degree in Biology and worked for seven years in a lab for a company where we made hand sanitizers and anti bac soaps and did micro cultures and such. So I’m not a total dunce. [emoji6]
@ Poppy:
Do some reading on bloodborne precaution vs contact precaution vs droplet precaution vs airborne precaution. You will see why COVID19 is not *generally* considered “airborne” like measles or TB, but also how much variability and overlap there are in these precautions. People act like there is a sharp cutoff between droplet and airborne and there are certainly differences but there is a level of overlap as well. When you talk or cough not every moisture droplet that leaves your face is the same size or is expelled at the same speed or in the same direction, so making hard fast rules about how easily something is transmitted is exceedingly difficult. But there are generally recognized guidelines about how a particular disease is *most typically* transmitted. It’s impossible to imagine every possible situation in which a person might transfer the critters.
It’s also interesting that many people are acting as though pathogens were just invented a month ago, suddenly disinfecting and fretting over items and actions they haven’t given a second thought to cleaning for decades of life. We come into contact with some 60,000 different “germs” per day, millions of individual viruses and bacteria, and likely only get sick, what, once or twice per year? Our immune systems are excellent. Your body has been fighting pathogen assaults 24 hours per day since you were born. Practice good hygiene, but 99% of your daily activities are no germier than they were a few weeks ago when you didn’t give it a second thought. Keep calm and wash your paws.
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Bravo!!
Check this video out.
https://www.facebook.com/108641910522278/videos/152114646171233?vh=e&d=n&sfns=mo
Shows where the droplets go
Check this video out.
https://www.facebook.com/108641910522278/videos/152114646171233?vh=e&d=n&sfns=mo
Shows where the droplets go
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StarHalo
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I am only repeating what handling procedures I used in college science classes and the local university hospital NICU.
Because scientific knowledge is open-source and available to all, and you can see these techniques in use in hospital and general healthcare settings.
The purpose of your largest organ, the skin, is to block external organisms and conditions from entering. You use gloves where you don't want material transfer to/from a specific situation, then you remove the gloves when exiting that situation.
You emit moisture particles when you speak/sneeze/cough/exhale sharply, so anyone standing in front of you can be exposed to that if there isn't something to block it. You can only control what goes into your eyes by shielding your eyes.
The simple disposable mask is cheaper and less intrusive than the full face plastic shield.
They are spreading the disease by projecting moisture particles when speaking/sneezing/coughing/exhaling sharply, and by touching things when their moisture is on their hands.
If it were true, there would not be a way to keep it from you due to the number of countries conducting their own tests and openly sharing that information on the internet. The bigger question is if you would be aware of and/or accept data from other non-American sources; if you're already finding conspiracy and secrecy in what little information you have now, you are not likely to be swayed by more information, or diverse sources, or this post.
No.
That’s right; I forgot all the world experts are in total agreement on everything regarding this health crisis. Ha
No one knows everything and many have their own ideas they feel are right... so, yeah.
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@poppy. About keeping info from us. Here's a little info. I have a family friend that works at rush hospital and back in January we got a phone call from this Friend and the conversation went like this." Fish, what I'm about to tell you, you can't repeat. Because we are not suppose to talk about this outside of here. Go out and stock up and all the essential items you need because we are preparing for a mass pandemic." Now, this was told to me back in Jan and I just thought this Friend was messing around with me. Turns out they weren't. So yes, information is kept from us on a daily basis. 90% of what government tells us is a lie. You should not trust them nor respect them because in the end they will f*** you over with everything they have.
StarHalo
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The information you are providing is from experts - if you deride them for providing it, then that feeds into the idea that experts aren't needed and everything is relative so anything goes. There is an objective set of data provided by trained people following the scientific method, you can use the scientific method at any time to challenge these findings, and it can even be entertaining, like the Mythbusters:
Not deriding, just chuckling because inevitably some things we/they believe to be true now based on data may prove to be at least partly inaccurate down the road. That doesn’t make their advice bad - we can only make decisions based on what we know at any given time. I love science, and science is constantly evolving, as it should. But not all experts agree on everything about this, so somewhere someone who thinks he/she is right is bound to be wrong. That’s just how science works. [emoji51] Greek astronomer Ptolemy thought the Earth was the center of the universe. People believed that for a long time. He was wrong.
And of course, some so-called experts you may find out there are anything but. I think we can all agree on that one. There are always quacks, and some are quite charismatic. What do they say, anyone can put anything on the internet?
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wacbzz
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@Fish
Do you have that link for the study you quoted earlier? It’s been almost 12 hours since you threw that stat out there in post #1201 about “40% of medical professionals” removing their gloves incorrectly...
Thanks.
Do you have that link for the study you quoted earlier? It’s been almost 12 hours since you threw that stat out there in post #1201 about “40% of medical professionals” removing their gloves incorrectly...
Thanks.
bigburly912
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When I worked at a hospital in physical therapy from 2001-2005 we had an hours long seminar about glove removal because people didn’t do it correctly. No clue on numbers but they were concerned about it back then.
Poppy
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@nbp
At your suggestion, a real quick google search brought up this.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK551555/
3. Droplet precautions:
- Droplet precautions are necessary when a patient infected with a pathogen, such as influenza, is within three to six feet of the patient.
- Infections are transmittable through air droplets by coughing, sneezing, talking, and close contact with an infected patient's breathing. Droplets are about 30 to 50 micrometers in size.
- Patients should be placed in individualized rooms, if possible.
- In addition to standard precautions, personnel should wear protective surgical masks should always before interacting between an infected patient or his/her environment.[6]
- Airborne precautions are required whenever entering a patient's room or environment who has been diagnosed with or is being tested for with high suspicion of anthrax, tuberculosis, measles, chickenpox, or disseminated herpes zoster or other pathogens that can be transmitted through airflow that are 5 micrometers or smaller in size and remain in the environment for long periods of time.[1][6]
- In addition to standard precautions of wearing gloves and a gown, the CDC requires additional PPE of an approved N95 respirator mask properly fitted for each person working in the health-care environment.[7]
- The CDC also strongly recommends placing patients diagnosed with or receiving testing for, with high suspicion of an infectious airborne organism in a single room known as an airborne infection isolation room (AIIR). These are negative pressure rooms that provide air filtration and 6 to 12 air exchanges per hour to reduce the risk of transmission.
COVID19 is 0.125 microns in size.
They haven't told us how long it stays in the air, but it can stay on smooth surfaces for up to 3 days.
COVID19 treatment rooms are negative pressure rooms,
and the treating healthcare workers are using N95 respirator masks.
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I appreciate the *qualifiers* you included in your response, and that you mention that there is overlap. Didn't Dr. Fauci say "We don't think it is airborne" ? But as I pointed out above, the hospitals are treating it as though it is.
Agreed.
What prompted me to write the post that you responded to was after I posted this:
https://www.candlepowerforums.com/v...-Coronavirus&p=5381383&viewfull=1#post5381383
Another poster told me that the coat was optional, and all I had to do was wash my hands.
It just rubbed me the wrong way.
As though he knows more than my brother who has more than 80 hours of training in bio-hazmat procedures.
If you studied virology, I am sure that you're as amazed as I, that our bodies can fight them off. They are completely different than bacteria.
Yet I have full faith and confidence in MY immune system. My daughter chided me for not being the most sanitary person, "yet, you never get sick!"
She has many allergies, and is borderline asthmatic. Her teenage twin boys were 3 months pre-mature and were in incubators almost all that time before they were released. They also occasionally use inhalers. Therefore it is incumbent upon me, to NOT bring any virus into the house.
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Hey NBP, once upon a time scientists said the world was flat and thought leeches were a good way to heal the sick. So yeah, we know what we know until we know more.
I read Fuji film is saying they are close to a cure using something for ebola or something. An anti-viral that reduced the death rate from ebola by 50% if I understood it correctly.
I read Fuji film is saying they are close to a cure using something for ebola or something. An anti-viral that reduced the death rate from ebola by 50% if I understood it correctly.
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nbp, that is cool that you worked in a lab for a company that made hand sanitizer, and soap.
I was just talking to a friend about this. I'm not derisive (i.e. mocking, ridiculing) because I appreciate the effort (usually); I'm just VERY skeptical that an expert is telling me something useful. Why? Expectation bias, confirmation bias, bandwagon effect, etc.
Experts are wrong all the time. Maybe 40% of the time? (Most recently telling us "Masks don't work" .... )
I work for the government (not in the healthcare field), and based on my experiences, 40% seems a little generous.
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Right, no harm in changing clothes at all. Plus you’ll smell daisy fresh all day. :) From what I’ve read viruses do not do so well in fibrous, porous materials, it’s much harder to pick up the viral particles from something thing like fabric than say, a metal handrail, and also you are unlikely to rub your face all over your clothes, or put your clothes in your mouth. So the relative risk of viruses on your clothes is very very low compared to your hands or other things that you touch and put on your face like glasses, phones etc. Remember, every day you go out and likely pick up rhinoviruses, influenza viruses, noroviruses, rotaviruses, coronaviruses (ones in existence before SARS CO-V-2) etc. and probably don’t worry too much about them on our clothes etc. COVID19 Is likely especially contagious moreso because we are a naive population to this virus, not so much because it is ending up on all kinds of things that viruses never were on before. Sick folks eat donuts on their way to work, lick their fingers and then touch elevator buttons and ATMs everyday, for example. People are probably breathing out viral particles at us all the time and we never knew it because we weren’t watching fun animations of it on the news. Haha
I have tested thousands of batches of Purell, ViJon, ECOLAB, Kimberly Clark, Reckitt Benkieser, P & G soap and hand sanitizer for production and finished product. We were a small contract packager but the amount of hand sanitizer we made during H1N1 would have made your head spin. 5 production lines running 12 hrs a day cracking out gels, foams and sprays. Truckloads of 2,000# totes of ethanol showing up. And then the thing fizzled out one day and no ordered for months because they had warehouses full of that crap piled up. It was madness. Lol
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https://www.hospitalhealth.com.au/c...emove-ppe-incorrectly-394330322#axzz6JSOCMEFG
Easy bud, I ain't going to argue a fact that I haven't researched.
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wacbzz
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@Fish
Thank you for the story. I found the original study after reading the article. It was from Sept 2015 - Feb 2016 (published in May of 2019) and it covered 125 workers at a teaching hospital in Chicago. A little more than 66% of the 125 people were nurses.
I’ll forward the actual study to my sister.
Thank you for the story. I found the original study after reading the article. It was from Sept 2015 - Feb 2016 (published in May of 2019) and it covered 125 workers at a teaching hospital in Chicago. A little more than 66% of the 125 people were nurses.
I’ll forward the actual study to my sister.
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No problem bud, I'm not the kind of person that's going to toss out false stats. I have nothing to gain from it.
wacbzz
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I was wrong about the dates and changed in my post as you were quoting me, but thanks nonetheless. :)
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