Coronavirus

[nbp]

Was way better last year..

Very pretty. Any bees? My mom got into beekeeping two years ago and had a ton of honey last year, although the colony didn’t survive the winter. :( A new batch of bees is on order - it’s finally warming up here. It’s good to remember there’s still little flashes of light and joy in the world. This is a good time to reconnect with nature. There are some positive elements to a Slower way of life I guess.

 

[ven]

RedLED and SCEMan,

Thank you very much. The Lovely Mrs Gardiner and I have enjoyed it as home for the better part of 35 years.

The first picture was L@@King out the window to my right when seated at the kitchen table. Below is the view L@@King out of the window to my left..... or will be in about a month's worth of Spring.

WOW beautiful CG, what a garden you have. Lockdown has never looked so good, i could cope so easy seeing that each day.

So far no evidence showing those who have had covid19 and survived, have immunity . WHO

Scientists in UK are mass producing vaccines while trails are still ongoing, hopefully to save time and a success in the future...........fingers crossed for not too distant future!

Stay safe CPF

 

[Poppy]

Revelation 13:16-18: "He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."

Is that the passage you were referring to? I don't think we're there quite yet, but we are getting there fast. A few months ago, I wouldn't have imagined being arrested or fined for going to church, experiencing a worldwide pandemic and lockdown, the nations' economies collapsing, constitutional freedoms curtailed, critical infrastructure on it's last legs, and everyone globally prepping for a new normal with less freedom. I can imagine bankrupt nations afraid to touch currency or ATM machines (and wanting to track criminals or sick people) chucking the whole system and going to a system based on a no touch scanning and tracking technology such as Verichip under the skin. They've been testing it on pets for well over a decade. I hope we aren't there yet, because if we are, we're talking about 7 years of hell on earth followed by the end of the world. Let's just hope and pray that the corona virus is contained soon, our nations recover, and we come out of it with a greater appreciation for each other, freedoms intact.

Yes, that is probably what he was referring to.

And Yes... Amen to your prayers!
Poppy

 

[bykfixer]

You make good points above, that's why I hope that there is a time limit to "contact tracing" as permitted by law. :rolleyes:
However, I agree with your skeptic opinion, that once they have the authority, they will never release it. Even if they have to do it "behind the scenes."

Remember income tax was to pay for the war of 1812……

Amen to post 1497.

Had my 3rd "uh oh" yesterday. Allergies. Twice allergies had wrecked me sinuses and were thwarted with Claritin. Seemed like the war with pollen was over so I halted the medicine. Mrs Fixer and I ventured out into the pollen saturated air Thu evening for a stroll. No mask. No people, no need. We stopped and chatted with a friend who had gone outside for fresh air. A tickle developed in me nose and throat. Eh just pollen.
Friday morning I woke and thought "oh no, here we go" as I felt really woozy. No fever so I went to work and like a dutiful American I wore my mask to halt the spread. I warned everybody within 10 feet of me "stay the f away from me, I think it's allergies but aint sure". I stayed outdoors all day in the field instead of working in the office. Nice sunny day.

By lunch time the woozy was gone. Phew. I told Mrs Fixer later I had a serious issue, even my hands were trembling. She said "oh I forgot to tell, this mornings coffee was full strength caffiene"……
I've drinking decaf for a year. I drink OJ for my morning lift. 2 cups of full strength, no wonder I was jittery (and up way past midnight last night. lol)

So today I feel normal again. Phew. Thank goodness.

Previously someone mentioned (parasphrssing) lax tracking of Covid-19

Here's New Orleans area tracking.
Can you see where flu left off and covid began in the red line? Neither can I, but Dr Birx and little brother can.

 

[Tejasandre]

WOW beautiful CG, what a garden you have. Lockdown has never looked so good, i could cope so easy seeing that each day.

So far no evidence showing those who have had covid19 and survived, have immunity . WHO

Scientists in UK are mass producing vaccines while trails are still ongoing, hopefully to save time and a success in the future...........fingers crossed for not too distant future!

Stay safe CPF

How would they produce a vaccine if those who survive have no immunity?

 

[bykfixer]

Still no vaccine for HIV. Still no vaccine for corona that causes colds, and the flu shot is for previous versions of a flu virus. The word vaccine gets tossed around, but a vaccine prevents something like polio or measles. A shot boosts your immune system. You get allergy shots, flu shots, pnuemonia shots. You get vaccines for prevention, not pre-treatment.

The word vaccine sounds so permanent and friendly. The word shot evokes 6" (300mm) needles that hurt.

There will be a shot for covid-19, yes. But viruses are able to survive by mutating. It's why the common cold still exists and so does the flu. What will likely happen is a shot will inoculate us from covid-19 while covid-20,21 etc are weaker mutations. The spanish flu has returned 4 times. Most do not know that because it's just the flu. The spanish flu actually began in 1916 but largely went away that year. It never went away but cases subsided. It showed up on the radar in 1918 when cases killed a whole bunch of people. But herd immunity slowed it way down. Weaker mutations kept showing up until (I believe it was in the 30's) a new strain took out a bunch of people. In the 1970's a strain caused the US government to force the population to get flu shots. The shot took out a bunch of people in about 1975. "Oops, let's pretend that didn't happen" said Uncle Sam. In about 1994 another version arrived. It stayed until '96. Millions died in that period. Hell, it nearly killed me in '95. Spanish flu part 4 (or perhaps 5 because it was thought to have been a scurge in the 50's right after WW2).

In the American frontier days the flu wiped out Indigenous People way more than guns. Nearly every tribe on the east coast were wiped out in one winter. Yet the Eurpeon survived due to herd immunity. It's all written down, but most don't know how to find it or don't bother to. Over the decades many of my hobbies have involved artifacts. I collect old stuff. Between research, meeting experts and having a bit of rain man syndrome called asburgers I have learned stuff from a logical point versus and emotional one. In grade school I did not learn like the other kids. I did not take in the activities other kids enjoyed. While others played on the monkey bars I studied rocks and looked for "arrow heads". In little league baseball I spoke to butterflies while playing in right field. Yet logic made it possible to figure out how to put a sideways spin on a kickball so when I did play I would kick a bouncer that would lerch left when it bounced and resulted in extra bases. Logic caused me to understand how to create an ideal motion in my arm so when the ball came to me in right field and I fired it to the first baseman, often times he'd jump out of the way saying "I aint catching that". lol.

So when the novel corona hit my logical "Mr Spock" like ways caused me to study it from a perpective like a doctor Fauchi would, or perhaps Forest Gump. Lots of stories I heard from my collector days gone by began to dictate what I searched for. It's out there. Covid-19 is new, but in a lot of ways it's very similar to other viruses.

Suffice to say, we are going to be ok. Mankind has been through this many times before. Tragically some will be lost to it. One is too many. But like I said before humans do a helluva good job at spreading disease.

 

[SCEMan]

So today I feel normal again. Phew. Thank goodness.

Here's hoping you stay well and take care of yourself...

 

[bykfixer]

Here's hoping you stay well and take care of yourself...

Thanks bro.

Ironically my allergies are the worst this decade. Oh wait a minute, this is a new decade. Make that worst in years.

 

[bigburly912]

Thanks bro.

Ironically my allergies are the worst this decade. Oh wait a minute, this is a new decade. Make that worst in years.

Could you imagine how many deaths there would have been if H1N1 was being buffed up like this is with heart attack and flu and common cold numbers?

 

[ven]

How would they produce a vaccine if those who survive have no immunity?

Unfortunately i am no scientist. There is no evidence yet, that people who have had covid, are immune to catching a 2nd time. This is what the scientists and experts are saying so far. The scientists also say people who have recovered have built up antibodies to help fight future infections, but it is not for a lifetime. So immunity from covid19 is not a lifetime, more a few years . Even a vaccine may only be good for a couple of years. Similar to flu jabs in the UK, we get a jab for the more common flu's. This is an annual injection. From what i have read, it looks like a covid vaccine would be along the same lines and have to be repeated every X amount of years.

 

[lion504]

COVID-19 fatality projections approaching influenza fatalities. IVO 60k. Maybe those early comparisons weren't so far off?

 

[Empath]

Polio too, was a virus. Immunity was achieved through a vaccine. Counting any particular virus vaccine as impossible is not a sure conclusion.

 

[bykfixer]

Agreed Empath, but back then they cured stuff. These days they treat stuff.

How about "now normal" instead of "new normal"?
Thoughts……

 

[SCEMan]

Agreed Empath, but back then they cured stuff. These days they treat stuff.

How about "now normal" instead of "new normal"?
Thoughts……

So many changes in the future that it's difficult to speculate what the world will be like. I've rescheduled our Viking Med cruise to next April but short of a global vaccine rollout I can't see it happening. What's sad for those younger is they may never experience life as I (and others in my age bracket) enjoyed it in the same way.

 

[scout24]

It would be nice if the Now Normal would include a lot of common sense. I'm starting to see plexiglass barriers at cash registers and customer service desks in the few businesses open in my area. Marks every 6 feet on floors. Signs everywhere encouraging social distancing. We go to all masks all the time here starting tomorrow night. Why wait? But fully 1/2 of the shoppers in my local grocery store this morning were not wearing them. Social distancing is being treated as a suggestion Old, young, local, out-of-state, made no difference. Can be a bandana, just cover your face. There are still too many unanswered questions as to immunity, long-term effects, etc. Open things up. Keep PPE mandatory. If people choose to ignore precautions and get sick, that's tough on them. People choose to drink and drive, text and drive, smoke cigarettes, etc. Not passing judgement, I've done plenty of things I shouldn't have in this life. All contribute to far more deaths a year than this will. All take innocent people with them, like being careless with precautions for the virus will.

 

[BVH]

The numbers for France on that chart are total baloney (as shown in a link given about 15 lines higher up on that page !) :

- https://dashboard.covid19.data.gouv.fr/ (official governmental page)

Also published on another official site

The official number of cases for France ("cas confirmés") is 109 252 cases, as of 14:00 h on April 17th 2020.
Not 147 969 cases as stated in the chart.

Been thinking about this discrepancy. I'm guessing the sources for the total case numbers you're using, might not be including those cases that have resolved. When I add the cases and resolved cases together, it comes very close to the number of total cases (both current and recovered) that are being cited on my linked site.

 

[Poppy]

WOW beautiful CG, what a garden you have. Lockdown has never looked so good, i could cope so easy seeing that each day.

So far no evidence showing those who have had covid19 and survived, have immunity . WHO

Scientists in UK are mass producing vaccines while trails are still ongoing, hopefully to save time and a success in the future...........fingers crossed for not too distant future!

Stay safe CPF

Ven,
This is a problem when they release poorly worded information. How often do you see that?
I take this (there is no EVIDENCE ) to mean (there is no PROOF) ... to have immunity.

The question that has been stated over and over, is that they don't know "how long the immunity will last" nor do they know, how long a person who has recovered, who demonstrates antibodies, may still have the virus present. iE still be a carrier.

How would they prove one has immunity? IDK. I think they would have to purposefully re-infect them. AND re-infection would have to be of a meaningful sized group. Each phase would take time. So I think that the WHO is saying that they haven't had the time yet to set up the studies, and complete the studies to be able to state that they have obtained evidence that has stood the test of "the scientific method" and withstood scientific scrutiny.

There is a lot that is not yet known. But I have faith that they are working diligently.

 

[scout24]

Poppy- I think your second-to-last sentence bears repeating. There is a lot that is not yet known. Even if you were to pin the outbreak date to Thanksgiving, it's less than five months. Sixty days later before we really saw it here. That leaves 90 days to have our best and brightest working on it. While the rest of us try to deal with uncharted waters. We have never in history dealt with something moving this far and fast while we know so little about it.

 

[archimedes]

.... We have never in history dealt with something moving this far and fast while we know so little about it.

I would gently disagree, my friend.

History has been filled with infections, plagues, and pandemics ... including many far worse than this, in terms of both extent and severity.

And knowledge and understanding of infectious diseases in the past was, of course, far less.

It is the response that I would say has been historically unprecedented.

 

[bykfixer]

In "our" history Scout. Total history had some bad mama-jammas prior to "us".

Hopefully "we" will never see another. But until humans have go go gadget virus sensing glasses the human race will probably succeed at more pandemics in the future.

Edit: glasses with Batman approved automatic virus zapper technology that is.