Coronavirus - II

[scout24]

We here are not the stastistical outlier. Densely populated areas by your verbiage are the outliers. There are more areas in more states with lower population densities with few cases then there are people living in "hard hit areas." A directed response appropriate in one area is not necessarily appropriate in another. I find it offensive that you assert that I don't accept there is a problem. Go re-read my posts. My contention is, and has been, the first half of this post. Eyes on the ground in a given area have a much better understanding of what's happening and what's needed in a town, county, or state. One of the reasons we have 50 governors, 535 voices in DC, and not one...
What I have trouble accepting is your one-size-fits-all chicken little approach to what should be a discussion, and not accepting other views... And the inability (lack of desire?) to answer questions. My last post, I asked one question. Please read your response to it.

 

[StarHalo]

We here are not the stastistical outlier.

This chart will be in your grandchildren's history books, we will not be there to chide them for not interpreting it more positively.

 

[scout24]

Do we need to delve into per capita again? Cases per 100,000? There's 330 million people here in the US... Roughly 46 million in Spain. I trust your multiplication skills are up to snuff.

Saw this today: It sums up a lot. It's ok to sit in the middle of this.

 

[nbp]

The good thing is that even if an area “opens up” there is no one forcing any individual or family who is high risk to go to parks, movie theaters, restaurants or other places with many people. Any one who wishes may continue to live a Safer At Home lifestyle as long as they wish.

Furthermore, it seems to me that many High Risk people themselves are doing little to isolate themselves. I was doing some work today for a couple in their 70s, and he has had a number of health problems in the past. While I was working she went out to run errands, had to go to Costo, Home Depot and the grocery store. He insisted on standing next to me and chatting for half an hour. It’s hard to stay committed to this Safer at Home order and inconvenience oneself when the very people we are doing it to protect are not interested in protecting themselves. I suspect this behavior is not even unusual. One of my grandmas has been very diligent about self isolation. My grandpa on the other hand laughed at me when I wore a mask into his house when I came to cut down some shrubs in his front yard.

Something I have learned over the years is that you cannot be more worried about other people’s lives than they are about their own life. I mean, you can, but it’s pointless and frustrating.

 

[Poppy]

This chart will be in your grandchildren's history books, we will not be there to chide them for not interpreting it more positively.

Yeah... and a number of charts as well.

And, I AM here, and THEY, my grand-children understand mathematics.

I help them understand the information at hand. I've already told them the story of statistics, and the story of the American and the Russian great horse race.

Its been estimated that 80% of the world's populace will be exposed to corovid 19.

We are doing more testing than any other country in the world.

It stands to reason that if we TEST more, we will CONFIRM more, than any other country in the world, considering that we have a greater population than most countries in the world.

I haven't looked but I am sure that there is a chart stating that we have the most confirmed resolved cases in the world.
New York state, last time I checked did 7,500 random blood tests looking for antibodies and found that 30% of NYC had corona antibodies. They are hopefully immune. Most had not been previously corona tested, so the stat that we have a high rate of confirmed cases, would be interpreted that we have a high rate of immune populace.

Our rate of immunity is increasing!

Thanks for posting that otherwise meaningless graph.

 

[turbodog]

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We are doing more testing than any other country in the world.
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On gross numbers, yes. On rate, that's a hard no.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Sort by tests/million.

I will note that comparing the US to other countries is hard. There are not many with similar population numbers, income/socioeconomic level, rural/urban ratio, etc. Might be easier to compare individual states to other countries, like NY to Canada or something.

In any case, the numbers continue to tick upward.

 

[bykfixer]

The graph my kids and grand kids will remember is how much they're paying in taxes for interest acrued by us for a virus that wipes out frail and sick people while leaving at least 98% of the rest of us waiting breathlessly for the "enlightened" crowd to write checks for crumbs while they themselves continue to brain wash a few willing folks who cannot accept their views are nothing more than a small blip on the radar of public opinion that is amplified via megaphone by a so-called free press bent on destroying the system that allows them to spew their demogogary.

 

[idleprocess]

The graph my kids and grand kids will remember is how much they're paying in taxes for interest acrued by us [...]

It's days late and dollars short to be worrying about deficit spending, such has it become the norm for generations now in good times and bad.

 

[Poppy]

On gross numbers, yes. On rate, that's a hard no.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Sort by tests/million.

I will note that comparing the US to other countries is hard. There are not many with similar population numbers, income/socioeconomic level, rural/urban ratio, etc. Might be easier to compare individual states to other countries, like NY to Canada or something.

In any case, the numbers continue to tick upward.

Next to impossible, to compare the US to other countries, and NYC metro area ( a few square miles) has a similar population to the entire country of Canada!

I think the US did about 20 million tests, about one third of the population of Italy?

Your posts are typically VERY thoughtful and insightful, but I am missing the point of your post.
Please explain more fully.
Poppy

 

[RedLED]

Fixer,

I agree, and feel sorry for the young people, who down the road, will have to deal with a generation of wealth competly wiped out in a few short weeks.

 

[StarHalo]

As I mentioned earlier, if anger fixed anything, everything would have been fixed by now. There shouldn't be this much indignation when my point of view clearly won't be a part of immediate history. The White House Coronavirus task force is being closed, everything is opening, the thing that I have been arguing for is not going to come to pass. We are going to see the what happens with the full on states-only business-first approach that won't have even the implication of any form of national organization or protection, regardless of the status of any curve. I lost the argument! You're going to get what you wanted! Isn't that wonderful?

 

[Greta]

The graph my kids and grand kids will remember is how much they're paying in taxes for interest acrued by us for a virus that wipes out frail and sick people while leaving at least 98% of the rest of us waiting breathlessly for the "enlightened" crowd to write checks for crumbs while they themselves continue to brain wash a few willing folks who cannot accept their views are nothing more than a small blip on the radar of public opinion that is amplified via megaphone by a so-called free press bent on destroying the system that allows them to spew their demogogary.

Easy there, big fella :grin2:... Let's stay away from this kind of stuff. I like your other posts better and look forward them. :grin2:

 

[bykfixer]

Gotcha.

Just letting off a little steam mam. I actually returned to erase much of it.
Too late for that I suppose.

Homie seems to think that the US will be going back to normal at midnight Tuesday. A few places run by local leaders (as per the US Constitution dictates) are making some questionable decisions, but the vast majority are taking very measured approaches with an eye on new cases.

https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7463561
Even WHO says relax some. (if you still believe those folks)

 

[Poppy]

SH,
I found you last post interesting. Instead of giving a rational, and intelligent response to the questions put to you, or explanations or your position, you did not respond, instead, you positioned yourself into a "I told you so" position. In the future, with things opening up more, in some places a little at a time, and others more, there will be instances where things will get worse. I believe that is built into the understanding and a calculated risk. YOU have put yourself into a position such that you can say, each time something is reported as being worse, you can say... "I TOLD YOU SO!"

If I was a mod, and you pulled that crap, I'd block you.

These mods are more lenient than I.

Let's see how this plays out.

 

[StarHalo]

Instead of giving a rational, and intelligent response to the questions put to you, or explanations or your position

Again for those who missed it: Life over profit. See what the economy can withstand rather than seeing what our elders can withstand. If we have more resources than anyone else, then our numbers should be exceptionally good; you should not have to put effort into interpreting the numbers so that a mediocre result is returned.

I don't do "I told you so," anyone who's honest will tell you part of the joy of adulthood is getting wedged into situations where any possible reaction will be wrong. I'm already admitting I'm wrong.

I don't advocate blocking speech, but we do agree on seeing how this plays out.

 

[lion504]

Saw this today: It sums up a lot. It's ok to sit in the middle of this.

Great post, thanks for sharing the Venn diagram. I’m in the middle too.

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Contrasting “life” and “the economy” is unreasonable. The economy is life sustaining, life enabling.

 

[bigburly912]

I don't do "I told you so,".

One of your first posts in this thread says that “we are both under record, we will see who is right” paraphrased but exactly to the point of I can’t wait to be able to say I told you so.

 

[Poppy]

I don't do "I told you so,"

I don't advocate blocking speech, but we do agree on seeing how this plays out.

From your last post it looks like you are DONE!
:thumbsup:

Some/ very few, will miss your posts, not me.

I don't believe for a moment that you will not continue to point out any increase in virus infections.
As things opens up, they are expected!
SO.. yeah, let's see how this plays out. Let's see if you post "I told you so" type posts.

 

[knucklegary]

SH, I can hear your Amz Echo playing "Taps"

 

[archimedes]

.... Contrasting “life” and “the economy” is unreasonable. The economy is life sustaining, life enabling.

All I know, is that hospitals are getting massively crushed financially by the "lockdowns" ... huge layoffs, all across the country, can't be good for long term health outcomes.