i think alcohol should be banned
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Kestrel
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They hate having the competition.
America tried that, Prohibition was a miserable failure that only increased the power and influence of the Mafia. Let's learn from our mistakes.
Portland and Vancouver tried this...and it failed miserably.
The real issue with any of this (drugs, alcohol) is when it affects other people. And it DOES affect other people.
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Here's an idea.
If you want to buy alcohol, you have to first apply for and receive a permit from the State of Residence. When purchasing alcoholic beverages, you must present your permit. If you are involved in an incident involving alcohol (DUI, domestic violence, public drunkenness, etc.) then your permit is revoked, penalty period dependent on the severity of the incident. Yes, I know violators could get drinks from others, but it would cut down on problem drinkers without too much inconvenience for the "responsible drinkers". Oh, and it would be illegal to give drinks to anyone without a permit, with severe punishment, especially if a crime was committed as a result of the consumption.
With AI, soon if not now, they could put a video camera in the car, focused on the driver and AI could detect by behavior if the driver is impaired.
If you want to buy alcohol, you have to first apply for and receive a permit from the State of Residence. When purchasing alcoholic beverages, you must present your permit. If you are involved in an incident involving alcohol (DUI, domestic violence, public drunkenness, etc.) then your permit is revoked, penalty period dependent on the severity of the incident. Yes, I know violators could get drinks from others, but it would cut down on problem drinkers without too much inconvenience for the "responsible drinkers". Oh, and it would be illegal to give drinks to anyone without a permit, with severe punishment, especially if a crime was committed as a result of the consumption.
With AI, soon if not now, they could put a video camera in the car, focused on the driver and AI could detect by behavior if the driver is impaired.
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The first blurb, yes. The AI bit, too easy to doctor and edit, similar to "red flag laws".
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Unfortunately we do learn, that is why we started drug war, created multiple agencies, and drugs only flooded streets more than ever before. they realized how profitable it is to fight it. If I did not know any better, I would think DEA is a part of cartels. cuz agency gets more and more power, they can seize any property, and money, claiming it was involved in drugs, cartels sell more and more drugs, and drug use only skyrocketed.
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I love alcohol, even though I don't drink a lot. Beer is one of my all time favorite beverages. Nothing beats going to a local brewery, sitting outside with some friends or family, and having a pint or two to go with your conversation.
I'm a Midwesterner, so we've got a lot of German heritage, and people tend to not be mean or angry drunks. Instead, you get more Gemütlichkeit than anything. I love going to one of the little local Oktoberfest celebrations, and just enjoying a big ol' beer, a pretzel, and a polka band. Everyone is just nice, happy, and ready to make a new friend. No one is fighting or causing trouble, save for maybe later at night when it becomes less of a German cultural heritage festival, and more of a "drinking festival." Just arrest those people and leave everyone else alone.
Christmas time means mulled wine/cider, and brandy in baked goods and eggnog.
Plenty of flavor compounds are only soluble in alcohol, so it really works wonder in cooking/eating. A great, sharp cheddar cheese with a brutally hoppy IPA mixed in your mouth to become a tropical fruit wonderland. It's absolutely amazing.
No point in making alcohol illegal cause all the non-Germans can't behave themselves, haha. It is funny that, even in my own family, the non-Germans are the ones way more likely to get mean when drunk, haha.
Absolutely, DUIs are an issue, and can be a VERY big problem in my area. I know Illinois doesn't play games with that, and your first DUI seems to result in getting one of those breathalyzers installed on your ignition. I think taking it seriously, and having practical and stiff penalties for behaving poorly is the better way of handling it.
At the same point, marijuana legalization has been spreading in the Midwest, and that seems to be a WAY bigger DUI issue. You can't breathalyzer people for it, so all the stoners are just CONSTANTLY driving around high. Stoners CONSTANTLY say "I drive better high," and seem to be under the impression that decriminalization/legalization means there are NO restrictions. Even if it's illegal in a state, people near the borders are constantly driving around high. The cops seem to have given up, as most prosecutors won't bother, anymore.
With the spread of decriminalization, legalization, and the hemp-derived stuff all over, the driving around me has gotten REALLY erratic and dangerous over the last few years. I can't remember the last time I drove to/from work and didn't smell weed coming from at least one car...
And, half the time, when there is a bad accident, it just gets reported as a "DUI," so it furthers the perception it's ONLY an alcohol problem.
I'm a Midwesterner, so we've got a lot of German heritage, and people tend to not be mean or angry drunks. Instead, you get more Gemütlichkeit than anything. I love going to one of the little local Oktoberfest celebrations, and just enjoying a big ol' beer, a pretzel, and a polka band. Everyone is just nice, happy, and ready to make a new friend. No one is fighting or causing trouble, save for maybe later at night when it becomes less of a German cultural heritage festival, and more of a "drinking festival." Just arrest those people and leave everyone else alone.
Christmas time means mulled wine/cider, and brandy in baked goods and eggnog.
Plenty of flavor compounds are only soluble in alcohol, so it really works wonder in cooking/eating. A great, sharp cheddar cheese with a brutally hoppy IPA mixed in your mouth to become a tropical fruit wonderland. It's absolutely amazing.
No point in making alcohol illegal cause all the non-Germans can't behave themselves, haha. It is funny that, even in my own family, the non-Germans are the ones way more likely to get mean when drunk, haha.
Absolutely, DUIs are an issue, and can be a VERY big problem in my area. I know Illinois doesn't play games with that, and your first DUI seems to result in getting one of those breathalyzers installed on your ignition. I think taking it seriously, and having practical and stiff penalties for behaving poorly is the better way of handling it.
At the same point, marijuana legalization has been spreading in the Midwest, and that seems to be a WAY bigger DUI issue. You can't breathalyzer people for it, so all the stoners are just CONSTANTLY driving around high. Stoners CONSTANTLY say "I drive better high," and seem to be under the impression that decriminalization/legalization means there are NO restrictions. Even if it's illegal in a state, people near the borders are constantly driving around high. The cops seem to have given up, as most prosecutors won't bother, anymore.
With the spread of decriminalization, legalization, and the hemp-derived stuff all over, the driving around me has gotten REALLY erratic and dangerous over the last few years. I can't remember the last time I drove to/from work and didn't smell weed coming from at least one car...
And, half the time, when there is a bad accident, it just gets reported as a "DUI," so it furthers the perception it's ONLY an alcohol problem.
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I knew a guy decades ago, who was a heavy drinker, he had several DUIs, he even spend a year in prison in SC for DUI, then he stopped drinking, and started smoking pot, he never got pulled over, never had an accident since. then he moved to Boston and became a paralegal, I have not talked to him for over a decade, he may be a lawyer now for all I know. Weed replaced his alcohol induced aggression for calm and non aggressive behavior, not saying it works that way for everyone, but from what I see, alcohol related crashes are due to aggressive road raging, speeding, and reckless driving, pot related crashes are due to lack of attention, and slowed reaction. A drunk driver more likely to drive like an idiot endangering everyone, stoned driver will drive well below speed limit, and might miss a green light, driving everyone waiting for the light behind him crazy, lol
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Man...just have him visit the rest of the nanny states and see if he can get away with it, lol...he might be one lucky summagum
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This is the logic behind every stoner, on why it's totally okay for them to drive high, haha.
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It is, but they are not that wrong, driving stoned is better than driving drunk for the most people, whether you should do any of it, is a different story, of course you should not. But there are things that are worse than driving under influence, and it does not require drugs or alcohol, it is the attitude, "if i put my blinker on, I'm merging, I'm not asking, I'm telling you, we can crash if you want" I heard that from several new drivers, who teaches them this chit I have no idea, I suspect it is social media, and it causes more accidents than dui.
Schokokeks
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Maybe I'm crazy here, but people should not drive impaired. Be that drugs, alcohol, sleep deprivation.
There's no real point to some kind of hierarchy. Impaired people cause accidents. People should not do that, and we should not excuse that behavior. Anyone driving impaired should face negative consequences, and/or have their driving privileges removed or curtailed.
And the same for distracted drivers.
It's starting to feel like I'm radical for these used-to-be-the-norm beliefs...
Nope! Not cracy, here or anywhere.
Yep! Cellphone use is the BIGGIE!
Ignore your feelings. Go with your thinking. It almost always produces better results.
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That makes 2 of us, they should not, but they do, we can not stop that, so that was my point, I'd rather them to be stoned than drunk.
As far as normalizing it, it does happen, especially young kids, that grew up in cities that have dispensaries on every block. Kids as young as 10 smoke joints on their way to school, I see it all the time, they cut across our parking lot on their way to MS and HS, we have both next to each other, every morning literally hundreds of kids get off the train and walk to schools at least 1/4 of them get stoned before they even get to school. parking reeks of weed that half hour or an hour when schools starts, same when it finishes. same kids go home and get stoned again.
Legalization looked great on paper, but real impact we will not see for a decade, me thinks todays young generation (20-30 y.o.) not even near as bad as future generations will be. and driving under influence is the smallest of all problems,
There's an entire portion of American History that didn't work that proves your statement unrealistic! Argument done!
FULLY AGREE. AND..it needs to be prosecuted and heavily punished. It's really sad when I see someone killed by a multi-time DUI driver. Totally preventable. Especially with things like Uber these days, there's no excuse for driving while impaired.
Today's marijuana is not the tame stuff your friendly neighborhood dope peddler sold 30 years ago. It's a highly refined, highly potent product, often laced with other drugs to make it hit harder and more addictive. Far more so than the weed of years ago. 1970s weed only had 1-3% THC. The stuff sold today is up to 35% THC. That's a synthetic hallucinogen, not a mild relaxant.
What's also bad is how it affects others. People who use drugs are some of the most selfish people and don't care how it affects others. You can't drive in a major US city without getting blasted by the disgusting smell of weed. Even at highway speeds.
A couple of years back, one of my neighbors (a slumlord owns the unit next to mine) decided she wanted a Bad Boy and said trashy male moved in. And of course, had no job. He started smoking up in the bedroom which came right through the walls into my unit. It's a no smoking building, btw. I asked nicely for them to take it outside. He refused. Having no job, he practically smoked any time he was awake. I had to move out of my own unit, the one which I *own*, for a month. I'm a pilot and I also do government work. I can't show up to the airport or government facility / base with my clothes reeking of marijuana. It took some political pull and pressure, and I don't know what was finally said / done to them, but after their last contact with whomever the agency sent over there, they packed up and left in a week. I still had to get an environmental cleanup company in there to get rid of the weed smell. and the slumlord got slapped by the HOA, banning him from renting the unit for a whole year.
No, it's just that the level of society's depravity has reached new lows, exponentially.
It's intentional. Popular music contains many direct references to smoking marijuana these days, trying to make it appear 'cool' and attractive to youth. Anyone remember how smoking was promoted from the 1940s-1980s? Same playbook, and in many cases, same players.
Big Weed (just like Big Tobacco / Big Pharma) is very well-funded by large corporate shareholders, the same ones who bankrolled Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, and alcohol companies. Both Philip Morris and British American Tobacco have major stakes in the weed companies. Pfizer, Merck, and J&J are invested in Cronos via Altria. Vanguard, Fidelity, and Blackrock are invested in British American Tobacco. Corona/Modelo and Molson/Coors are invested.
The high THC levels disproportionately affect younger brains, especially as their brains are still developing. Plenty of research out on it already, none of the results have been positive, but no one wants to hear it. The money's too good for the investors, tax revenue's too great for the politicians, medical/mental problems drive users to doctors.
A problem you run into are the older generations who will defend smoking weed. People in their 50s and older saying they smoked weed all their life and nothing happened. Unfortunately what they used was a much different drug.
Just looking over the numbers, in the 18-25 age group, 45% have smoked weed in the past year, ~12% use daily. This doesn't bode well for them.
The consequences will be severe and widespread, and the people who use aren't exactly the type to take responsibility for their actions. I confronted someone whose spouse clearly has Cannabis Hyperemesis Syndrome. Absolutely textbook case. Nope, they swear it can't be that. They've been to many doctors over the past year, tons of tests, ER visits, hospitalisations. BUT they refuse to put two & two together.
Age old argument.... Weed is bad but it isn't as bad as drinking.
Meanwhile they just openly admitted their vice is bad.
Notice how no stoner ever says that weed has benefits, here's what they are.
No, it's always an immediate comparison to alcohol first, every single time.
Meanwhile they just openly admitted their vice is bad.
Notice how no stoner ever says that weed has benefits, here's what they are.
No, it's always an immediate comparison to alcohol first, every single time.
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Checkmate! But you can't expect accountability from some who has chosen to regress or transgress...there's always a butt, even when there's no legs to stand on. Very few of that ratinale will admit they have a problem, instead justifying it as a lesser of two evils.
As far as I'm aware, I was one of the few kids, when presented the 1 vs 5 people railroad switch conundrum, asked if I could switch places with either the conductor or the 1 guy tied up, knowing that most people would be willing to make the hard choice if pressed. If they couldn't, if I were the conductor, I asked if it's just me on the train, then I'd de-rail it. Weird quiet kid with a chip mentality I guess.
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