Coronavirus

[bigburly912]

I'd hope so. They're suppose to be used for non covid- 19 patients to free up the hospitals which are way past capacity. The problem now is personal, they are short and need more doctors and nurses.

If it’s a dug out log with a bed and an IV and someone to treat a patient then it’s better than nothing or a propaganda device built in a week that isn’t really doing anything for prolonged periods of time or used to see patients.

And this isn’t directed to you P_A_S but look up those “hospitals” and what actually went on.

We are all Americans. Pull together.

 

[bigburly912]

You'd have thought after SARS, H1N1 and Ebola, a comprehensive pandemic plan would have been implemented at the state and federal levels over the last 15 years. On the other hand, no pandemic plan I've seen (and I co-developed SCE's several years ago) includes a scenario where the country of origin intentionally conceals the ​contagion's outbreak during the crucial containment period from other nations, thereby enabling world-wide transmission. That unconscionable act resulted in the pandemic bypassing the mitigation/containment phase in the response plans.

That’s going to be ignored and argued.

 

[Tachead]

Get you some pretty shoes..

My goodness, I wouldn't use that shoe to plug a sewer drain, let alone wear it[emoji23].

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[wacbzz]

We are all Americans. Pull together.

If only we could get “Americans” to agree what is logically essential now...

 

[Poppy]

Your point was that if the states had a problem they couldn't solve, the federal government could be called in to save the day - <SNIP>

He said to help out!

You obviously have an axe to grind. Picking a fight with a Virginian isn't going to win you any points. If you want to voice your opinion in a place where it counts, send a letter to your Congressman, and two US Senators. That's what I did when I had a problem with glare from headlights. They are the ones who can make Federal change.

Did the US get caught with its pants down regarding being prepared for such a Pandemic? Yeah, I think so. But didn't every other country in the world?

I'm a boy scout and like to think that I am fairly well prepared for SHTF stuff, but I learned that I didn't have enough yeast! Yeast of all things... who'd a thought? I have flour, but without yeast, how do you make bread?

I don't have any of those just about worthless surgical masks, nor any N95 masks, but I do have 4 half face respirator masks. I tried one on today. Now I remember why I didn't wear it when I was at ground Zero during 9/11. They are a challenge to breathe through. Then, they were hot and uncomfortable, now the weather here is comfortable, but having to breathe through it for hours/all day would be painful. I am sure after a week or two, I'd have a stronger diaphragm muscle, and intercostal muscles, but it won't be fun developing them. There is also anxiety produced by having to forcibly take a breath. Not fun. So when this is all over I'll add a dozen N95 masks to my gear.

I'm also low on baked beans.
I had sufficient bleach, but not enough Purell (which is much easier on my hands than continued washing, and is more portable).

Please consider what you have learned from this survival situation.
Hopefully our legislators have learned from it as well.


I recall the movie "Tora Tora Tora" in which Admiral Yamaguchi stated "I am afraid that we have just awakened a sleeping giant!" Referring to the USA and it's unparalleled manufacturing capability. For years I have expressed my concern that so much of our manufacturing has gone abroad.

During WWII Chrysler produced jeeps. And when they were about to go bankrupt and close, Ronald Reagan, and Lee Iaccoca worked out a deal that kept them in business. Why? Reagan didn't want to lose the manufacturing capability of Chrysler, should we ever need them. New York's Governor Andrew Cuomo, does a good job of a daily update. He has consistently been stating that we need more ICU beds with ventilators.
Why it took so long for Ford and GM to start making ventilators? IDK

We don't have factories producing sewing machines anymore... during WWII they converted to building M1 Garand rifles, and M1 carbines.

I recently learned that many of our drugs are manufactured abroad. IMO, that is unacceptable.

I hope that American's after all this, are willing to spend a little more to "Buy American!"

 

[Poppy]

The hospitals built in NYC are repurposed existing structures, they weren't build from the ground up. I'm not aware of anything built from the ground up except for some tents in Central Park. There was talk about converting creedmoor but would be a colossal effort as those structures have been in disrepair for decades.

There is no need to build New structures if one can convert existing structures. I think the NY Governor, and NYC Mayor, working in conjunction with the Federal Army Core of Engineers; have done a marvelous job at devising a plan to create thousands of hospital beds, in such a short period of time. They are sure that they are going to run short, especially with ventilators. Hopefully we still have enough capacity as a manufacturing country, to divert from making other products to meet the need of more ventilators.

As the current epicenter, other Governors can learn from their experience.

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

There is no need to build New structures if one can convert existing structures. I think the NY Governor, and NYC Mayor, working in conjunction with the Federal Army Core of Engineers; have done a marvelous job at devising a plan to create thousands of hospital beds, in such a short period of time. They are sure that they are going to run short, especially with ventilators. Hopefully we still have enough capacity as a manufacturing country, to divert from making other products to meet the need of more ventilators.

As the current epicenter, other Governors can learn from their experience.

President Trump announced from the White House today that Ford and GE Medical are going to produce 50,000 ventilators in 100 days.

 

[P_A_S_1]

Yes, clearly, that would be a waste of time and money. That's why when they floated the creedmore option it was dead in one second.

Watching the local news tonight they said one person died every 3 minutes today from coronavirus in NYC. It's a mess. So yeah they're doing the best they can and overall that's pretty good considering the disaster this is.

 

[StarHalo]

You'd have thought after SARS, H1N1 and Ebola, a comprehensive pandemic plan would have been implemented at the state and federal levels over the last 15 years. On the other hand, no pandemic plan I've seen (and I co-developed SCE's several years ago) includes a risk scenario where the country of origin intentionally conceals the ​contagion's outbreak during the crucial containment period from other nations, thereby enabling world-wide transmission. That unconscionable act resulted in the pandemic bypassing the mitigation/containment phase in the response plans.

Right, the dictatorship there covered it up and made the situation much worse. But it's also been made worse for all other first world countries, and yet our curve isn't leveling off. We could put stickers on every N95 mask that read "CHINA DID THIS", and our doubling rate would still be higher the next day. It just might be that the origin of the disease doesn't help explain the differences in transmission/death rates between countries.

We are all Americans. Pull together.

Your first response to me was that I was clearly different because my news source wasn't the same as yours, that's not pulling together. I'm putting these facts here so you and your loved ones aren't harmed, Coronavirus is a threat to my people regardless of what some political team says about it.

Please consider what you have learned from this survival situation.

There are two of my fellow warehouse coworkers who have tested positive so far, out of the 19 tested positive in my town. I am still processing your orders in ten hour shifts five days a week. The learning is like a small shift in the strata way high up on the mountain, and there's a rumbling, a movement, so much learning coming..

 

[Poppy]

President Trump announced from the White House today that Ford and GE Medical are going to produce 50,000 ventilators in 100 days.

I might be wrong, but isn't NY Cuomo saying he'll need that many in 21 days?
New Jersey won't be far behind. A few weeks maybe.

That's good news, none the less. Hopefully GM, and Chrysler, will kick in and double those numbers.
One can hope.

 

[Hooked on Fenix]

Los Angeles received 170 ventilators that didn't work from the national stockpile. The FDA won't approve the use of the at home test kits because they think shipping time may be long enough for the virus sample to become inactive, jeopardizing lab results and giving false negatives. This is in addition to the problems with test kits from China having a 70-80% failure rate. Last I checked, 4 stores in Los Angeles and one in San Diego county had workers test positive for corona virus. Let's try to remember that we're all in this together. We all voted for imperfect people to run our governments so they're bound to screw some things up. Try to avoid pointing fingers right now. We can fire people and change policies when this is over but for now, we need to listen to and respect those in power trying to keep us safe so we don't make things worse for everyone else. Suck it up, stay at home, prepare for the worst, take care of those you love, and pray. That's all any of us can do. In the words of Benjamin Franklin, "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

 

[bigburly912]

Starhalo, my very first response to you was because you said “testing is not available in the US” actually you said “tom Hanks and his wife have tested positive for Coronavirus; thankfully they are currently in Australia where testing is available, as opposed to the US.”

Let that sink in how many times you told people to quit spreading falsehoods yet that was one of your first posts in this thread.

That isn’t wasn’t and has never been true. I can tell you that with 100% certainty. I responded with “you must be a cnn fan” Is that seriously what chapped your *** so badly that you can’t stand it? Did that one comment break your momos and make you think that I called you less of an american because you watch cnn? I’m really just wanting to understand where you are coming from because damn son that’s just sad.

I’m bowing out of this thread, everyone please stay safe, stay away from groups if at all possible. Help your neighbors especially the feeble and elderly.

 

[coffeecup66]

An interesting "spotlight" put on the subject of ventilators in the UK :

 

[SCEMan]

Right, the dictatorship there covered it up and made the situation much worse. But it's also been made worse for all other first world countries, and yet our curve isn't leveling off. We could put stickers on every N95 mask that read "CHINA DID THIS", and our doubling rate would still be higher the next day. It just might be that the origin of the disease doesn't help explain the differences in transmission/death rates between countries.

Simply comparing "doubling rates" between "first world" nations doesn't take into account the widely disparate cultures, geographies, reporting quality and many other factors influencing the curve. Makes for good click bait though. This won't be a challenge our short attention span culture can easily get its head around but it's not going away until it gets worse.

And, the dictatorship didn't make the situation much worse, it made the situation what it is today. A global pandemic, instead of a regional containment.

 

[StarHalo]

Starhalo, my very first response to you was because you said “testing is not available in the US” actually you said “tom Hanks and his wife have tested positive for Coronavirus; thankfully they are currently in Australia where testing is available, as opposed to the US.”

It was in context with Tom Hanks, he would not have been tested at that time if he were in the US; there was a Congressman who fell ill during that period and was attempting to get tested and was unable to - if not even a Congressman could get tested at that point, then yes, for you and me there would definitely be no testing.

Is that seriously what chapped your *** so badly that you can’t stand it? Did that one comment break your momos and make you think that I called you less of an american because you watch cnn? I’m really just wanting to understand where you are coming from because damn son that’s just sad.

I thought it was a bit lamentable because it was more about separation than anything we were talking about; I'm coming from a broad openness to new experiences score which means I will be primarily be concerned about threats to group over threats to self, therefore I will seek out as many information sources as possible, whereas your restricted openness to new experience leads you to distrust both the group and most sources in service to possible threats to self. It's merely two different approaches which does not require quarreling or interjecting into my posts to tell me I'm different. Yes, I'm different. I value different, that's what makes the group. I already know you don't value different, it's not about you.

stay away from groups

 

[Poppy]

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There are two of my fellow warehouse coworkers who have tested positive so far, out of the 19 tested positive in my town. I am still processing your orders in ten hour shifts five days a week. The learning is like a small shift in the strata way high up on the mountain, and there's a rumbling, a movement, so much learning coming..

You're scared, I get it. I may have been exposed 10 days ago by a Doctor and his wife, also a Doctor, and for a week I have had a tracheal, very upper bronchial, irritation. I get a ahem, ahem, too frequently, and an occasional cough. Although we have the thermostat set at 72 F, I sometimes feel a chill, and put on a fleece jacket. Only a few months ago I was tested by the WTC docs and was told I have the lungs of a 30 y/o. I don't have shortness of breath, but my mid-day naps have gotten longer. I am not well, but am confident that I will overcome what has been hammering at me for a week.

My daughter OTOH has been fighting something for a month. It's probably viral. She has a history of Asthma. For the past four days she started running low grade fevers again. They aren't high enough to break the Cov-19 requirement but she has shortness of breath, burning eyes, GI upset, and the low grade fever. Her doctor gave her a prescription for the Covid-19 test.

For a week, we have had an exhaust fan in her bedroom window, with a window in the kitchen slightly opened to create a negative air pressure in her room to be replaced by heated air from the house. She has remained in her bedroom all week, except to take a shower. I too, watched TV from my bedroom, but not the living room to keep my distance from the grand-kids.

Today we got the results... Negative for COV19 !
Because there isn't enough data, we don't know, (nobody knows) what the false negative rate of the tests are, we are still maintaining social distancing.

So yeah, we all have poop we are going through. Your co-workers are probably less than 60 y/o and physically fit. If they get hit with the virus, they will probably survive. I am more than 60 and am confident that I will survive, I may already be infected. A couple of days ago I called the Cov-19 hotline and my symptoms were not significant enough to get tested. I was told if they get worse, to call back. In my mind, it doesn't really matter, I'll survive it anyway. However, I am already distancing myself from my grad-kids, who live with me. I want to protect them, more than anything else.

Have Faith! This will all work out.

Don't touch your face, and wash your hands.
Stay safe!

 

[SCEMan]

There are two of my fellow warehouse coworkers who have tested positive so far, out of the 19 tested positive in my town. I am still processing your orders in ten hour shifts five days a week. The learning is like a small shift in the strata way high up on the mountain, and there's a rumbling, a movement, so much learning coming..

I'm sorry you have to work and live in such a stressful environment. But, you're smart enough to take care of yourself and no doubt are in the safest demographic for this situation. Just remember the fatality rate is much lower than published as it doesn't take into account the multiplier of all the unknown/unrecorded cases that recover w/o hospitalization. Try to find objective news sources and stay away from agenda-driven reporting and you'll feel much better.

 

[ven]

Stay safe poppy, hope your soon feeling better, to everyone else stay safe.

I am led to believe some states have not issued any distancing rules.....yet!. This is on the news, is it true? It so far is showing to work and slowing the numbers of infected down. If you do live in a state and the news is possibly true, i would distance(2 metres) and prepare /take measures now.

NY from reports seems about 2 weeks off the peak, maybe a little early(news report on sky yesterday). Of course no one has exact knowledge , but all stay safe and stay in if can.

Too add , in the UK there is still front line heroes working without PPE yet!!! Approx 1 in 4 is either isolated or symptoms of covid19 in the health service. Good news, 700,000 volunteers to help out the NHS with various tasks/jobs. From food, medicine pick up/deliveries , to transporting patients home etc.

 

[RetroTechie]

Let's try to remember that we're all in this together. We all voted for imperfect people to run our governments so they're bound to screw some things up. Try to avoid pointing fingers right now. We can fire people and change policies when this is over but for now, we need to listen to and respect those in power trying to keep us safe so we don't make things worse for everyone else.

NO you shouldn't listen to those in power, because that's exactly what got this whole pandemic started: people on the ground saying X, people in charge ignoring that and telling them Y. Nor should you listen to people that you usually to turn advice for (whether that be your preacher, sister in law, or colleague at work). Because they themselves don't have most answers. Or believe sellers of snake oil, random people on the internet that say X is working, or bullshit 'research' that no serious scientist would consider citing.

Instead listen to those people that know what they're talking about. The epidemic specialists, virologists, WHO experts, doctors & nurses in hospitals explaining how the pandemic will run its course, that a majority of the population will get infected @ some point (so for most people it's just a matter of when not if), what works & what doesn't to keep the virus at bay for now, and so forth. Follow some Wikipedia references or read some scientific papers if you feel like digging into the details.

If you pay attention, you'll notice that in the first group, many people are telling you different things. Whether this is for political gain, selling product, not having good data, or just plain incompetence, who knows. But among the experts, most people are telling you essentially the same things. Yes researchers will debate how long virus particles survive on various surfaces. Yes they don't know much about animal <-> human transmission of this virus - yet. But they will all tell you that if present, washing your hands properly will destroy most virus particles. They will all tell you not to touch your face, because that is what gets it from your hands into nose / mouth / eyes.

If political leaders are telling you the same things as the experts: great, that means they deal with reality & listen to those experts too. If those leaders are telling you something different, that's a problem to deal with asap. But either way, if you want facts turns to those people on the frontline who are busy gathering those facts. Not to 'leaders' that twist those facts to suit their own interests.

My government has asked people to stay at home as much as possible, and I have done so for the last few weeks. But that's not because the government told me. It's because it's clear that will slow the spread so that hospital + IC beds don't exceed capacity, and as few people as possible will die simply because hospitals are overwhelmed. And I'd prefer not to need a hospital bed right when the peak surge hits. Or put someone in the grave because I was careless, or occupy an IC bed when an elderly patient needs it. Do your bit because it's the right thing to do. Not because orange headed leader tells you what to do.

 

[bykfixer]

Good post RT.


Boy things got lively while I slept. Valid points galore. Debate is alive and well. And um, aint nobody processing my Amazon orders right now. Only thing I buy from Amazon are Nike products………