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StarHalo said:
And there you have it.
All the threat-to-self-ers are here to tell you that this isn't that big a deal, that the numbers can be smoothed over, because this isn't going to affect me. And the threat-to-group-ers are telling you this is more important than it seems, sharing the data, because this might affect you.
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I don't recall myself or anyone else stating it isn't going to affect "me" and I certainly fall in the high risk segment. My perspective is simply to do everything I can to protect my family and any others I can assist; if that makes me a "threat-to-selfer", so be it. But if you're implying your designation somehow correlates to my not "sharing the data" or following social distancing, etc., you need to be mindful of labeling and tacitly shaming people you've never met or even know. Sharing negative hypothetical scenarios that do not translate into beneficial & actionable behavior does nothing but further depress people already heavily stressed. During this national (& global) emergency we need a unified effort with everyone pulling together for the best outcome.

I just took a drive through Claremont and observed numerous young adults in close contact, milling together on the sidewalk. But it didn't occur to me to label them as a group. I simply saw people exhibiting dangerous behavior.
 
SCEMan said:
you need to be mindful of labeling and tacitly shaming people you've never met or even know.
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It's not shaming, it's two different approaches; you want the businessman on a sales call to run a hard threat-to-self gameplan, find the advantage and take the lead. The problem is that this approach has no place in a pandemic - it is not beneficial or actionable to tell a bunch of seniors that they will almost certainly not die if they get sick, and that this is a secret that is being hidden from them. That's something you would only do if you felt it wasn't going to harm you, and so no one else should worry about being harmed.

Reduce the stress by logically resolving the problem, not by using individual pieces of data to declare the problem invalid.
 
StarHalo said:
It's not shaming, it's two different approaches; you want the businessman on a sales call to run a hard threat-to-self gameplan, find the advantage and take the lead. The problem is that this approach has no place in a pandemic - it is not beneficial or actionable to tell a bunch of seniors that they will almost certainly not die if they get sick, and that this is a secret that is being hidden from them. That's something you would only do if you felt it wasn't going to harm you, and so no one else should worry about being harmed.

Reduce the stress by logically resolving the problem, not by using individual pieces of data to declare the problem invalid.
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Wow. You just don't get it. Defining individuals by labeling as "bad" (threat-to-self-ers), and "good" (threat-to-group-ers) is inherently shaming and your prior usage implies just that.

No, it's very beneficial during traumatic times to provide relevant, verifiable, objective information that reassures people rather than depresses them (e.g., FDR Fireside Chats). When I'm taking all possible actions to prevent catching COVID-19 (and in a high-risk category), what's better for my well-being & psyche; hearing there's a high probability I'll survive an infection, or how much worse it could possibly get.
 
Yesterday I noticed that the patterns of behavior have begun to return back to the ways of pre-covid. Reading social media posts, watching crowds through my windshield, yes there are still times that people (gasp) get within 6 feet of each other in groups of (gasp, gasp) 12 or 13…… while politicians do what they did and say what they said before. Like pre-covid, when the weather goes cloudy and cool folks hunker down. When the weather is nice, they go out. The virus knows no boundries, does not assign labels and does not care black, white, red or blue. It seems to affect males more than females but probably does not prefer one over the other. "Host" is the only label that matters. But like a few days after 911 people started to return to normal patterns.

Only now, say we were all rats in a maze. Before covid that maze was a vast array of directional choices. For the time being many of the paths are blocked in the maze. So we bump into a wall, turn left, right or go back where we started. It's what humans do, virus or no virus. Now we have rats setting up megaphones yelling at the population of rats that we are all doomed. Some are singing koom bye ya through a mega phone. Some rats hear the doom sayers and get annoyed. Some say those koom bye ya singers are wasting their time while others sing along. Some will argue with this post. Some will say "that's one weird dude talking about rats in a maze". Some won't read past the first 12 words. Yet that was a pattern before covid and will be after covid.

Yesterday while hanging a flag pole holder a mocking bird was serenading to anything or nothing. It did not care about no stupid Corona virus. To me that was a signal that it's going to be alright. Mocking birds sang every spring where I live before, and if my number in the big lottery in the sky aint picked before next spring I will hear one sing next spring.

It seems that some box stores had been deemed irresponsible for allowing as many customers as wanted to through the doors. Now Mrs Fixer and I said "nuh uh I aint goin' there right now" and waited patiently for a day when it wasn't so crowded. The gubment said "social distancing helps" so we social distance. It's just common sense. I saw a post at fakebook about a party in LA that had the cops called. Not because of loud music or crazy people acting crazy. No because about 200 young people were celebrating a little girls first birthday. The cops broke it up and some were pretty pissed off. The old man who is hunkered down because he don't want to die yet, so he called the cops, and the young adults who just wanted to have a little fun on a Friday afternoon. Some of them were pissed off too. Both sides have a valid point. Were they practicing social distancing by standing 6 feet apart? Don't matter because it was a group of more than ten.

Where I work, there is a morning meeting everyday. Now each morning it includes a covid checklist. Now because there are 14 people on the construction crew there has to be two meetings of seven due to the ten people rule. Never mind it is outdoors in an area large enough for 14 folks to easily stand 10, 12, 20 feet apart. And they pass around a clip board for each person to initial that they will follow the dictates of our governor. At the end of the day, same thing. But here's the rub. One inkpen gets passed around to one sheet of paper. Think about that. I did.

I told the safety officer my thoughts so each person now has their own pen and their own copy of a form that now has 30 places to sign. One for each day of the month and every afternoon the safety guy takes a photo of each persons form with an official covid 19 zoom lens point and shoot camera so he can stay 6 feet away.

Many of the rules imposed on us road workers is because of people riding around with cameras taking photos of two guys paving, not being 6 feet away from one another and sending them to news channels. The forms are required so that if an employee gets sick they can't sue the company. Overall we still laugh, still smile, still hold the door for others and generally enjoy life despite the challenges. It aint like rocket bombs or mortars are flying in and exploding all around, or bullets wizzing past. Each of us has worked in sketchy places after dark where, yes there were bullets wizzing past or rocks being thrown. Bottles of **** being thrown at us for blocking a lane of a highway after a Redskins game. Cars whizzing past at 70mph 15" away. Stuff like that. We all take this covid thing serious, both young and old but we don't let it paralyze us.
Life goes on.
 
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Wash hands often, don’t touch face. Now, it has been found that even 6’ is too close as transmission is by minute vapor particles expelled from just breathing or talking. Wear a covering of any sort to prevent others from your “vapor”.
 
StarHalo- This is the second or third person (at least) that you're sparring with here because they don't agree with you. Please. Yours is not the only valid opinion... If you have a point to present, please do so and move on. Others are entitled to theirs as well no matter your feelings.
 
I left my house only three times in the past 2 1/2 weeks, then only to get groceries.
We pretty much maintain our distance even within our house, well not the twins, but my daughter and I do.

We keep an exhaust fan in her bedroom running with a window cracked open in the other end of the house. She had a fever, and was finally tested and it came back negative, but we don't know what percentage of false negatives the test renders. She spends most of her day in her bedroom, so the negative pressure should help to protect us somewhat, although I haven't blocked off the air return register from her bedroom.

We live in the NE section of New Jersey, and we are probably only a week behind NYC. Fortunately, according to Gov. Cuomo, experts predict that NYC is nearing the apex, and should top out in 3-7 days.

There are a number of lakes in town, one in particular is circled by a road and people in the community like to take the 1 1/2 mile loop for exercise. Our Mayor has asked them to walk around their own block for exercise, rather than congregate walking around the lake. People apparently are walking in small groups, perhaps family members, but, and, pass by too closely, as one group passes another.

Enjoying the sun yesterday, sitting on my front porch, I called over to my neighbor across the street. He has a house full. He personally had run a fever for three weeks, and is finally over it.

I'm still looking for ways to long distance socialize with my Dad, and found this story:
[h=1]Coronavirus Bingo? N.J. neighbors gather for social distancing game on the water. (VIDEO)[/h]https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...ocial-distancing-game-on-the-water-video.html
 
Living approximately 3.5 to 4 hours NW of New York City things are fairly calm. I wish that people would calm down and relax though. Too many are walking scared, this will pass and things will return to normal. I have enjoyed the time off to get back to nature. Birds can be very relaxing when you have time to observe them.
 
Well put devildude.

The scurge in my community if you want to call it a scurge is people dropping their laytex gloves on the ground. I donated my box of 500 pairs to my local fire/ems dept. My son and I work on cars and keep boxes in the garage. I had one full one and felt like it would best serve my community if our local first responders have them. The guy I gave them to had man tears well up as he was so grateful. I just wear cotton gloves that are washable. They're cheap and readily available.

Do laytex gloves help you?
Check out this nurses perspective:
https://www.facebook.com/97177340956/posts/10156842042090957?vh=e&d=n&sfns=mo

Update:
My brother wears a mask to stores now. He went to buy a BiC lighter to start his charcoal grill and in my state you have to be 21 to buy lighters. That meant he had to show an ID showing he is over 21. Gray hair doesn't matter it seems. Well to verify it was him he had to……wait for it……pull off his mask. He posted on fakebook how ridiculous that was. He also believes cops should be halting cars from New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island and Louisianna at the state line. He also belives that people should be limited to one gallon of milk, and all kinds of crazy stuff. I replied "if you are that scared light a candle from your gas stove in your house dummy and use the candle to light your charcoal". Sheesh.
 
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Byk, I viewed discarded latex gloves sitting in grocery store baskets. WTF!

Now that's much better than tossing on the ground lol

Hey Star.. A bountiful of Yin is over-flowing in this State!
 
knucklegary said:
Red, I'd bet she's a ball at parties (:
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bykfixer said:
The scourge in my community if you want to call it a scourge is people dropping their laytex gloves on the ground.
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I've observed the same on my walks in my area but with mask litter. My son-in-law works at Costco and complains that customers habitually discard their used gloves in the shopping carts.
 
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