Coronavirus

[Kestrel]

New information was released saying that China worked in correlation with the WHO to create a virus just to show the USA that China was better at creating vaccines than the US was.

A couple issues here;

One, stating something of this magnitude without even including a reference ("new information was released", what a joke) goes exactly against what I have been trying to communicate previously.

Two, after acknowledging my prior warning via quote, it was then blatantly disregarded with such a farcical inflammatory statement. (If you didn't want it to appear farcical, you could have at least included a reference - hopefully a media source more reliable than Infowars, just to come up with a random example).

Please be so kind as to take some time out from this thread; thank you & best regards.

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

 

[bigburly912]

Disregard misread post

 

[scout24]

Right, the other countries followed the experts and we didn't. So what was the result?

Other countries aren't the entitled masses that we are here. We, at the national and state gov't level, were as proactive as anywhere else. As a people, by and large, we have walked around with our fingers in the air saying "nobody gonna tell me what I can and can't do." The numbers we see here have nothing to do with lack of information or upper level policy. Shy of National Guard in the streets, everything is based on voluntary compliance. Everybody knew it was bad. We have, and expect, a level of freedom here in the US that other areas of the world may not. Look at our hotspot areas, look at the prevailing attitudes there.

 

[Kestrel]

One of the reasons why there has been so much staff attention to this thread, is that we take the reliability of information posted here on CPF very seriously - we pride ourselves in the quality of the content on this forum.
One of the challenges of online forums where membership contributes content, is that it can often be a challenge to maintain this high standard with such a fluid- and hot-button- topic such as CV19.
Many other online forums are currently running their own CV threads, with varying degrees of success - depending on their conversation goals.
My personal hope is that this can be a reliable venue for the exchange of high-quality technical (CPF in general) & add'l health infomation (this thread in particular); I believe that we are generally successful in this goal, although there are always bumps in the road that we as members need to intelligently parse.

A final note; I have recently rec'd an inquiry as to why some blatantly-inflammatory posts have been allowed to stand while others have been deleted. Please keep in mind that CPF staff (including yours truly :o) are given some leeway for their individual perspectives on how to moderate the discussion forums; one thing that I do on occasion is to utilize a problematic post to illustrate what is not acceptable for the discussion forums in which most of us enjoy polite and constructive discussion. There are certainly other just-as-valid perspectives on how to go about this, and all have have merit for ongoing operations. Thank you everybody for your understanding,

 

[bykfixer]

Nuf said CG.

I thought earlier that sooner or later the "Chinese lab" story would arrive in this thread but right now it's all just conjecture. So n so heard that so n so who knows a guy who's uncles third cousins best friends daughter knows the guy. Way too soon to call it anything more than a rumor.

Even Cuomo is speaking of relaxing things in a few weeks (May 15th). An MIT study suggests that crowded busses and subways contributed to the vast spread of the novel corona virus? Who'da thunk that? lol. https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/mit-study-subways-a-major-disseminator-of-coronavirus-in-nyc/

Edit:
Thanks Kestrel for explaining your perspective on this. And thanks to Scout, Greta, Archi, NBP and others for keeping this thing on the rails.

 

[ven]

I was going to say CG, considering the population of the US, the graph mr star posted in 1333 is very misleading. It makes it look like the US is far worse than other countries, due to the greater population. Granted the curve is steeper, but for example, compared to the UK, there is 66 million V 330 million , is around 5 X the population. I know its not a perfect calculation, maybe the US do have unfortunately a few more death %. But in context, its around the same as other countries(bar ones not actually giving real figures).

So realistically in my tiny brain, the US is doing no better, or worse with covid19 from a good few other countries, from what i have been reading/ understanding.

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

I read that COVID19 is very unforgiving on obese people. The US of A has more than it's fair share of overweight people.

 

[StarHalo]

We, at the national and state gov't level, were as proactive as anywhere else.

The other nations enacted national plans, we did not, full stop.

 

[bykfixer]

Good points Ven.

I predicted a while back it would be between 1.2 and 1.4% fatality rate. Pure gut instinct from calculating numbers back in early March. Time will tell. Hopefully it'll be less than that.

Meanwhile a few dozen meters to my left a young couple is fist fighting because dude dropped the french fries he and his lady friend were sharing.

I suppose one certain poster in this thread just does not understand how America works.

How many locked up folks end up suicidal? Hooked on dope or alcohol? End up fataly wounded in domestic disputes? End up die-ing from the flu or other health condition because they were afraid to go to a doctor or hospital due to panic driven news accounts?

And yes CG studies are showing vast numbers are of obese folks end up hospitalized from covid. I'll find data about it and post it later, but it is believed why some groups are having worse affects.

 

[knucklegary]

Good article Greta.. especially last paragraph!

 

[SCEMan]

Thanks Chance.
This graphic depicts useful data correlated to country population size. The outlier here is China, and recent AP reporting (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...sponse-coronavirus-shows-missteps/5138308002/) details their plan to conceal the outbreak. By halting domestic but not international travel, and the ability to quarantine their population with draconian measures accounts for their low numbers at the expense of the rest of the world.

 

[bigburly912]

Just wanted to throw a real world update. My dads high school buddy that had covid has passed away.

My friends mom has been taken out of ICU and is recovering.

 

[knucklegary]

Ven, since your co-worker is out with covid are you in line to be tested?

 

[Poppy]

Chauncey,
Thanks for this!

Much can be said about how population density can affect the number of cases of this virus.
The USA has a huge land mass, and large portions of it are virtually uninhabited. Although we have a population of 329 million, for the most part the coasts and metropolitan cities comprise a large percentage of the population therefore overall the US population density is 94 per square mile, but NYC density is 67,000 per square mile. In comparison:
UK 1,010 per square mile,
Italy 532 per square mile
Spain 229 per square mile.

The higher the density, the more difficult it is to contain.
So despite having a higher population density than Italy and Spain, the US and UK are doing better than them.

Whereas for example, our State of Arkansas, has a pop density of only 52 per square mile. They are encouraged to go about their business, wear a mask and keep their distance. I think it was yesterday that they had a count of 80 confirmed cases.

 

[ven]

Ven, since your co-worker is out with covid are you in line to be tested?

No gary, does not work like that in the UK, unless your an MP's daughter................i just checked and nope:nana:

The only way i will get tested is 2 ways, Unilever decide to buy some testers, after front line get priority. Or i fall ill enough to end up in hospital, then i would possibly get tested...........possibly. So no idea, how do i know the rough spell i had a while back was not it. Who knows if they have had it, maybe had symptoms but thought the usual winter blues stuff. As there are so many variables, so much misinformation and lack of information out there...........who knows?

Stay safe bro and all CPF

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

Also worth noting is Italian's long held tradition of La Passeggiata.

 

[bigburly912]

Also worth noting is Italian's long held tradition of La Passeggiata.

surely they arent still practicing are they?

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

surely they arent still practicing are they?

I don't know. ....... wouldn't think so. :shakehead

 

[knucklegary]

I would think they're all hanging at home drinking plenty vino and singing..