Coronavirus

[StarHalo]

Forrest Gump gave you that answer long before the question was even posed...

I was talking to my wife about it and she was saying that a lot of lupus patients are being turned down for the drug because now there's a shortage - so how is there a shortage if it's just going to the people it's prescribed to? Is there a some sort of underground chloroquine black market now, and is that who the president was talking to?

UPDATE: So it turns out that the reason 45 stopped talking about it is because in a recent VA study on Covid patients, administering chloroquine more than doubled the death rate, so much so that more than a quarter of the patients died. I'm using a Fox News source for the link so we can skip the fake news commentary.

 

[SCEMan]

Now it appears the first US COVID-19 deaths were at least three weeks earlier (2/6) than first reported.

https://abc7.com/health/covid-19-deaths-in-norcal-were-earliest-in-us-new-test-shows/6121252/

 

[jabe1]

The idea that this is just a flu is laughable.
In one month, this has killed as many people as the flu does in a year.

 

[bigburly912]

Now it appears the first US COVID-19 deaths were at least three weeks earlier (2/6) than first reported.

https://abc7.com/health/covid-19-deaths-in-norcal-were-earliest-in-us-new-test-shows/6121252/

Now that someone else has found that. People were getting this a month earlier at least, than we originally thought. Which, runs right in flu season. So the fact that article I had previously mentioned stated that we would be worse off if we were fighting covid and flu at the same time is redundant.

 

[bigburly912]

Is there a some sort of underground chloroquine black market now, and is that who the president was talking to?

Wow dude, really?

 

[Johnnyh]

That abc7 article had my interest, then the piece ominously states “the United States now has 825,000 confirmed cases cases of Covid-19 nationwide, by far the most in the world...”. On the face of it, it’s a true statement but it’s a half-truth. Without factoring in population size and testing rates it’s meaningless....and an utter distortion. While the article about early cases MAY be true, this little tidbit they threw in there makes me suspect as to the veracity of the whole thing.

 

[scout24]

I was talking to my wife about it and she was saying that a lot of lupus patients are being turned down for the drug because now there's a shortage - so how is there a shortage if it's just going to the people it's prescribed to? Is there a some sort of underground chloroquine black market now, and is that who the president was talking to?

UPDATE: So it turns out that the reason 45 stopped talking about it is because in a recent VA study on Covid patients, administering chloroquine more than doubled the death rate, so much so that more than a quarter of the patients died. I'm using a Fox News source for the link so we can skip the fake news commentary.

Far better to allow Bill Gates and his NWO cronies to forward their agenda of forced vaccines and microchips than maybe try an existing drug for treatment. You want tinfoil? There's some more for you. Yes, 45 is in the black market Lupus drug business. Keeps him out of trouble.

 

[scout24]

A good time to reflect on that fact that more investment in green energy would have greatly reduced the market impact of oil's tumble, and that this reliance on an energy source in structural decline is a significant chink in the US' economic armor.



Watch Georgia.

U.S. has been a net exporter. Worldwide demand is in the commode. Contracts for delivery are set months ahead. There's no available storage. Green? Take a look at lithium mines for your electric cars. The notion of replacing oil with anything in the forseeable future is laughable and you know it. He who continually stirs the pot will eventually have to lick the spoon.

 

[lion504]

Who is supposed to benefit from this suggestion?

Since it's a prescription med, people talking with a doctor about COVID treatment options... :thinking: Completely reasonable to push back against a doctor's initial recommendations and/or ask for treatments not initially proposed (by the dr) based on your own research. My experience is that the doctor usually gets on board when the patient explains their logic/preferences/risk tolerances.

Saw that new study. Here's what the French study said: "Despite its small sample size our survey shows that hydroxychloroquine treatment is significantly associated with viral load reduction/disappearance in COVID-19 patients and its effect is reinforced by azithromycin." What to do when 2 sources reach two completely different conclusions on the same topic?

 

[bykfixer]

The theory behind the malaria drug is sound. It may not be the exact recipe to take down the virus just yet but it is a good starting point. Now when combined with an antibiotic cocktail called z-pak it can cause heart rythm issues.

The corona has a key to unlock human cells. Once inside said cells it's reproductive stuff kicks the turbo in. It then alters those cells and spreads out to alter more. That in turn ends up with more keys unlocking more cells resulting in more production of more virus cells. It's pretty dang good at what it does. The bodies immune system goes into reaction mode and starts a bombing campaign to destroy the enemy. In vulnerable people or in some yet to be known why cases the bombardment results in too much colatoral damage. The body does a Hiroshima to itself in a way.

The malaria drug has a key that fits the virus cell and opens up its reproductive part. Zinc murders the reproductive stuff inside the virus itself. The theory is the virus cannot reproduce anymore. The malaria drug has worked in numerous cases. Cases all over the planet. But there is a group in the US press who'd rather focus on what does not work. These are non mask wearing twirps asking the US president why he won't tell everybody to wear a mask. They all have fabulous haircuts too. Fabulous.

The novel corona virus is a brand new thing. So to say "why weren't there millions of tests ready to go?" Tests for what? It had not been invented yet. The US was slow to act in WW1, but who won? The US was slow to act in WW2, again who won? The same public/private partnership that will win again. If one takes emotion out of their observations it's easy to see some pretty amazing things taking place. Not just in the US but all over the world as nation after nation defends its population against a pretty freaking amazing virus. A virus that by all accounts (thusfar) was never meant to be released but was meant to be a tool to build super duper anti viral fighters just in case a super-bug did occur.

Blame it on Trump, China, Obama, WHO, the democrats, the republicans, a bat, an advark, blame it on whoever. It's here. It has to be stopped and it will be. Those setting on a pedestal tossing insults in both directions……left, right it don't matter would serve their neighbor better by trying to be part of the solution. Educating folks on all that the president is doing wrong is not part of the solution. Blindly taking up for the president isn't either. Stopping the virus, winning the war is what is important. We can go back to hurling insults later.

 

[Poppy]

The theory behind the malaria drug is sound. It may not be the exact recipe to take down the virus just yet but it is a good starting point. Now when combined with an antibiotic cocktail called z-pak it can cause heart rythm issues.

The corona has a key to unlock human cells. Once inside said cells it's reproductive stuff kicks the turbo in. It then alters those cells and spreads out to alter more. That in turn ends up with more keys unlocking more cells resulting in more production of more virus cells.<snip>.

Good post Mr Fixer :thumbsup:

As I stated much earlier, if a person studied virology, he'd be amazed at how our immune system can fight a virus off and win. They break into a living cell, and use the cell's stored energy, to harness the cell's DNA to replicate copies of itself (the virus) until it makes enough of it self, to cause the host cell to explode with multiple copies of the virus, which go on to attack more cells, ad infinitum.

This is not unique to covid-19. That is how a virus works.

 

[Cree XHP 70 LED]

The theory behind the malaria drug is sound. It may not be the exact recipe to take down the virus just yet but it is a good starting point. Now when combined with an antibiotic cocktail called z-pak it can cause heart rythm issues.

The corona has a key to unlock human cells. Once inside said cells it's reproductive stuff kicks the turbo in. It then alters those cells and spreads out to alter more. That in turn ends up with more keys unlocking more cells resulting in more production of more virus cells. It's pretty dang good at what it does. The bodies immune system goes into reaction mode and starts a bombing campaign to destroy the enemy. In vulnerable people or in some yet to be known why cases the bombardment results in too much colatoral damage. The body does a Hiroshima to itself in a way.

The malaria drug has a key that fits the virus cell and opens up its reproductive part. Zinc murders the reproductive stuff inside the virus itself. The theory is the virus cannot reproduce anymore. The malaria drug has worked in numerous cases. Cases all over the planet. But there is a group in the US press who'd rather focus on what does not work. These are non mask wearing twirps asking the US president why he won't tell everybody to wear a mask. They all have fabulous haircuts too. Fabulous.

The novel corona virus is a brand new thing. So to say "why weren't there millions of tests ready to go?" Tests for what? It had not been invented yet. The US was slow to act in WW1, but who won? The US was slow to act in WW2, again who won? The same public/private partnership that will win again. If one takes emotion out of their observations it's easy to see some pretty amazing things taking place. Not just in the US but all over the world as nation after nation defends its population against a pretty freaking amazing virus. A virus that by all accounts (thusfar) was never meant to be released but was meant to be a tool to build super duper anti viral fighters just in case a super-bug did occur.

Blame it on Trump, China, Obama, WHO, the democrats, the republicans, a bat, an advark, blame it on whoever. It's here. It has to be stopped and it will be. Those setting on a pedestal tossing insults in both directions……left, right it don't matter would serve their neighbor better by trying to be part of the solution. Educating folks on all that the president is doing wrong is not part of the solution. Blindly taking up for the president isn't either. Stopping the virus, winning the war is what is important. We can go back to hurling insults later.

I blame China for making synthetic viruses including this one with poor containment measures. Obama even went to that lab with Fauci and after seeing it Obama pulled funding for that lab and Dr. Shi's work on making the SARS 2 (Coronavirus 2019) cross the animal human barrier. She used 4 HIV and an S protien to do it, although she denies modifying the HIV part she is quite proud of modifying the rest of her destructive virus so it could infect humans that was indeed her end goal. In nature it will not cross barriers to humans.

My last post has a link in it to a good video about what I said above, if you care and have an hour throw it up on your big screen.

I am more worried about even asymptomatic patients having serious organ issues later on. I myself am very knowledgeable about viruses, I have worked with Gilead in 2016 in anti-viral trials.

 

[Poppy]

Using technology to scan temperatures as employees enter the work place is one thing, but watch this video.
Using drones to check people as they walk the city streets, or play in a park.

Too much 1984 for me.
https://abc7ny.com/health/pandemic-drones-in-ct-monitor-vital-signs-from-above/6120499/

Too much George Orwell 1984. I don't like it... I don't trust it.

 

[Devildude]

U.S. has been a net exporter. Worldwide demand is in the commode. Contracts for delivery are set months ahead. There's no available storage. Green? Take a look at lithium mines for your electric cars. The notion of replacing oil with anything in the forseeable future is laughable and you know it. He who continually stirs the pot will eventually have to lick the spoon.

It is nice to see someone bring up the other dirty side of the lithium equation. It is never discussed much but should be.

 

[Devildude]

The theory behind the malaria drug is sound. It may not be the exact recipe to take down the virus just yet but it is a good starting point. Now when combined with an antibiotic cocktail called z-pak it can cause heart rythm issues.

The corona has a key to unlock human cells. Once inside said cells it's reproductive stuff kicks the turbo in. It then alters those cells and spreads out to alter more. That in turn ends up with more keys unlocking more cells resulting in more production of more virus cells. It's pretty dang good at what it does. The bodies immune system goes into reaction mode and starts a bombing campaign to destroy the enemy. In vulnerable people or in some yet to be known why cases the bombardment results in too much colatoral damage. The body does a Hiroshima to itself in a way.

The malaria drug has a key that fits the virus cell and opens up its reproductive part. Zinc murders the reproductive stuff inside the virus itself. The theory is the virus cannot reproduce anymore. The malaria drug has worked in numerous cases. Cases all over the planet. But there is a group in the US press who'd rather focus on what does not work. These are non mask wearing twirps asking the US president why he won't tell everybody to wear a mask. They all have fabulous haircuts too. Fabulous.

The novel corona virus is a brand new thing. So to say "why weren't there millions of tests ready to go?" Tests for what? It had not been invented yet. The US was slow to act in WW1, but who won? The US was slow to act in WW2, again who won? The same public/private partnership that will win again. If one takes emotion out of their observations it's easy to see some pretty amazing things taking place. Not just in the US but all over the world as nation after nation defends its population against a pretty freaking amazing virus. A virus that by all accounts (thusfar) was never meant to be released but was meant to be a tool to build super duper anti viral fighters just in case a super-bug did occur.

Blame it on Trump, China, Obama, WHO, the democrats, the republicans, a bat, an advark, blame it on whoever. It's here. It has to be stopped and it will be. Those setting on a pedestal tossing insults in both directions……left, right it don't matter would serve their neighbor better by trying to be part of the solution. Educating folks on all that the president is doing wrong is not part of the solution. Blindly taking up for the president isn't either. Stopping the virus, winning the war is what is important. We can go back to hurling insults later.

I wholeheartedly agree. We need to stop the blame game and work together for the betterment of all humanity, the genie is out of the bottle and it is time to focus how to survive as a species.

 

[idleprocess]

Take a look at lithium mines for your electric cars. The notion of replacing oil with anything in the forseeable future is laughable and you know it.

The plausible argument I see is to replace ICEs with EVs where the use cases make sense. I - and a large slice of the residents of my region with access to private parking - could replace my daily driver with an EV that has a nominal range of around 200 miles charging exclusively at home. My parents that live in rural AR perhaps less so since a trip "to town" for errands can get uncomfortably close to that range and unless you're making a relatively linear trip on certain interstate corridors in a vehicle whose maker starts with "T", public charging is still kinda iffy.

While there are surely humorless zealots out there that will insist that whatever a certain billionaire drew up on the back of a figurative napkin will suffice for everyone, they are not to be taken seriously since their arguments are clearly flawed.

It is nice to see someone bring up the other dirty side of the lithium equation. It is never discussed much but should be.

This is actually discussed all the time - it's just not the huge concern it's often made out to be. With ~~160g of elemental lithium per kWh (first response) of practical battery pack that's an entire 16kg of Li for a huge 100kWh pack that's apt to last for a decade or more with the potential to either recover the lithium afterwards or repurpose the modules for years of additional service. In exchange, you need not directly burn literal tons of fuel at millions of distributed points over the lifetime of owning an ICE-powered vehicle (200,000 miles / 40 MPG = 5000 gallons of fuel at ~6 lb/gallon = 30,000 pounds or or 15 tons).

But with all the hand-wringing over lithium (or that other modern favorite, Cobalt) no one talks about the orders of magnitude more aluminum, steel, copper, rubber, plastic - themselves all damaging to the environment to extract, produce, and dispose of - that goes into all new vehicle production.

EV's aren't made of and powered by the laughter of children and unicorn farts for sure - but neither is anything else made in an industrial society. Reduction is the name of the game, not wholly impossible elimination.

 

[SCEMan]

That abc7 article had my interest, then the piece ominously states “the United States now has 825,000 confirmed cases cases of Covid-19 nationwide, by far the most in the world...”. On the face of it, it’s a true statement but it’s a half-truth. Without factoring in population size and testing rates it’s meaningless....and an utter distortion. While the article about early cases MAY be true, this little tidbit they threw in there makes me suspect as to the veracity of the whole thing.

Here's the article minus the "half-truth".
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/us/california-deaths-earliest-in-us/index.html

And a particularly relevant comment:

"That is a very significant finding," Dr. Ashish K. Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, told CNN's "New Day" on Wednesday.
"Somebody who died on February 6, they probably contracted that virus early to mid-January. It takes at least two to three weeks from the time you contract the virus and you die from it." If they did not contract coronavirus through travel abroad, that also is significant, Jha said. "That means there was community spread happening in California as early as mid-January, if not earlier than that." We really need to now go back, look at a lot more cases from January -- even December -- and try to sort out when did we first really encounter this virus in the United States," Jha said.

 

[scout24]

Idleprocess- I think "where plausible" is a good idea. We've had access to hybrids of several flavors and the all-electric Leaf for years with slow adoption despite tax credits, "cool points", etc. I owned a Prius C for a few years, and have a good friend with a Prius V with over 100k on it. I just don't see widespread adoption at the moment. Electric golf carts, as are popular in certain retirement areas, remain viable however... And they have to come from a major manufacturer with dealerships, spare parts availability, and service departments. Anything else is a regional boutique business model.

 

[bykfixer]

When I can pull into a filling station and swap out batteries I'll look at electric cars as more than a nice idea. But to pull into a rest area, plug in and wait for a charge……not for me.

Happy earth day

 

[idleprocess]

Idleprocess- I think "where plausible" is a good idea. We've had access to hybrids of several flavors and the all-electric Leaf for years with slow adoption despite tax credits, "cool points", etc. I owned a Prius C for a few years, and have a good friend with a Prius V with over 100k on it. I just don't see widespread adoption at the moment. Electric golf carts, as are popular in certain retirement areas, remain viable however... And they have to come from a major manufacturer with dealerships, spare parts availability, and service departments. Anything else is a regional boutique business model.

I see a surprising number of Teslas in the north Dallas area, along with some Leafs, Bolts, and the occasional BMW i3. Tesla in particular genuinely surprises since the Texas's dealer franchise law makes them far more difficult to purchase than other makes sold via dealers.

EV's aren't setting the world on fire ala the less than decade transition from feature phones to smart phones, but they're also gaining market share. The adoption curve was slow with hybrids as well but now they're a solid chunk of the market. The ICE will remain viable for the foreseeable future, but its market share in the automobile market is likely to decline as city-dwellers opt for EVs that fit into their driving patterns and questions around public charging infrastructure are settled.

When I can pull into a filling station and swap out batteries I'll look at electric cars as more than a nice idea. But to pull into a rest area, plug in and wait for a charge……not for me.

Unlikely to come to fruition. A company called Better Place tried this approach and failed. Tesla demo'ed a system and started to put forth speculative plans, but the realities of the staggering capital expenditure of additional battery packs on hot standby and the costs this would inflict on the small number of likely users sunk that plan early.

Fast charging is apt to be the substitute for filling stations. ~30 minutes to 80% charge seems to be the best balance of user convenience verses the difficulties of delivering so much instantaneous power and the inevitable performance degradation that frequent fast charging produces.