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There is one idea how to satisfy everyone, but it will be a Hell of spare parts and logistics for Hogo 😈

This is not new, it has long been used by SF, Convoy and others.

That is, additional elements with threads at the ends of the bezel and tailcap. Can easily replace parts, like a car bumper. For the bezel, this could not be done, but it would be nice to do so that when replacing a person, he did not have to remove the glass, reflector, etc.

Also can even sell without anything, that is, there are smooth rings at both ends, and all the other rings could be made by someone else from a third-party manufacturer, like Lumensfactory for SF. Then it will be less spare parts.

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I think the other thing that always made me skeptical is that a huge number of other lights, both cheap production as well as high end and custom also use screwed on clips, and no one has removed their clips so that those who use the light clipless don’t have to see the holes. Oveready, Malkoff, McGizmo, Muyshondt, Mac, Okluma, Sigma, and on and on all make high end lights, and have used screwed on clips for years and people pay hundreds for them and seem just fine with clip holes in them. I don’t understand why HDS should be the only maker in all my years here who dealt with this issue. I suspect that it was indeed a very tiny group of people who made a disproportionate ruckus about it. In any case, I have spent too many hours discussing clips for these lights over the years with no progress of any kind, so it is probably time for me to retire the topic. I have put a Moddoo clip under the bezel on one of my Rotaries, against official recommendation, and the super expensive Prototype Uni clip on the other, which although still kinda ugly, at least offers bezel attachment with bezel down configuration. So it is a slight improvement. My Clickies use Moddoo and Prometheus clips, which which while not deep carry, do provide secure and attractive bezel down carry and are very serviceable.
 
The picture artists that just use custom lights as photo props need to get into the custom clip sub-niche…some of those clips go for $1k. Then no HDS “user” will complain
 
Excellent solution, ironhorse!

The clip holes never bothered me, but what did bother me at first was the little hole in the Rotary knob and the appearance of the stop screw that keeps the knob from rotating too far. But I got over it quickly, recognizing that HDS lights are first and foremost functional and utilitarian, and that Henry knows very well what he is doing.
 
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nbp said:
I think the other thing that always made me skeptical is that a huge number of other lights, both cheap production as well as high end and custom also use screwed on clips, and no one has removed their clips so that those who use the light clipless don’t have to see the holes. Oveready, Malkoff, McGizmo, Muyshondt, Mac, Okluma, Sigma, and on and on all make high end lights, and have used screwed on clips for years and people pay hundreds for them and seem just fine with clip holes in them. I don’t understand why HDS should be the only maker in all my years here who dealt with this issue. I suspect that it was indeed a very tiny group of people who made a disproportionate ruckus about it. In any case, I have spent too many hours discussing clips for these lights over the years with no progress of any kind, so it is probably time for me to retire the topic. I have put a Moddoo clip under the bezel on one of my Rotaries, against official recommendation, and the super expensive Prototype Uni clip on the other, which although still kinda ugly, at least offers bezel attachment with bezel down configuration. So it is a slight improvement. My Clickies use Moddoo and Prometheus clips, which which while not deep carry, do provide secure and attractive bezel down carry and are very serviceable.
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I was very happy with the clips on the HDS 42’s and the 60’s. The clips were deep carry, bezel up and I never wanted mine to come off… I do agree, however, that the light looks horrible without the clip installed if it has the holes.
 
Oh idk… with the SS screws in place it looks pretty good. If holes bother some Henry can make an optional small Ti plate to cover them and then screwed in place. It could be engraved with HDS on it or the owners name. That sounds good in my head not sure if I’m describing it right😁
 
thermal guy said:
Oh idk… with the SS screws in place it looks pretty good. If holes bother some Henry can make an optional small Ti plate to cover them and then screwed in place. It could be engraved with HDS on it or the owners name. That sounds good in my head not sure if I’m describing it right😁
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Like on little folding knives
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thermal guy said:
Oh idk… with the SS screws in place it looks pretty good. If holes bother some Henry can make an optional small Ti plate to cover them and then screwed in place. It could be engraved with HDS on it or the owners name. That sounds good in my head not sure if I’m describing it right😁
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The holes make sense. A bezel with extra material makes sense also.

If you don't like those, then peep this:

Top end of battery tube is slightly smaller diameter than rest, with a 'step' in it. On this 'step' a bushing is placed that brings the diameter up to desired spec. For a non-clip light... the bushing is plain. On a clip light, the bushing has extra material and will accept a clip via holes/taper slot/etc.

With decent machining and incorporating the bushing being squeezed when the tube is tightened you won't have a rattle.

Bushings are cheap. They would not require bezel removal, holes in the light, filler screws, or nameplates. Bushings slide off/on by hand, tool-free clip/no clip swaps.
 
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Any clue or possible tracking data on the shipment making its way to that European site that sells tools and knives? It almost feels like watching treacle not seeing that +-3 weeks move.
 
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No clue. I have no way of checking and it isn't something I would bother Henry with. I'm still whipping him every Monday to get repairs out the door... though this week I'm whipping him to get the 18350/18500 tubes done.
 
Hogokansatsukan said:
No clue. I have no way of checking and it isn't something I would bother Henry with. I'm still whipping him every Monday to get repairs out the door... though this week I'm whipping him to get the 18350/18500 tubes done.
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I have got two lights at HDS for the repairs for more than one year. Hopefully, mines are included in those repairs getting out the door.
 
Stoneking said:
I truly believe this is the best clip option for the rotary. Someone just needs to machine a bezel with a little more meat in the tapped area, I would buy 10 of them! Not me because I have zero machinist skills or knowledge.
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This clip is absolutely solid, but it would be better if there was more for the screws to hold.
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This work was not done by me.
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I never did hear back from my friend on a quote. I should check back with him again.
 
18 years ago...
In August 2004 the EDC Ultimate was released. The top of the line HDS EDC Ultimate 60 XRGT sold for $295 (that is $463 in todays dollars). GT stood for Guaranteed Tint and XR was Extended Runtime. The EDC Basic 60 sold for $160 and the EDC Basic 40 sold for $120.
 

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