bodhran
Enlightened
I'm sure the Dealers would love to be able to get these lights out to their customers but not much they can do right now. Except for Zebralights, I prefer to buy from a favorite dealer.
Zebralight SC600w II L2 Announced for September
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tallboybass
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Well, I already sold mine, got into a financial situation.
The tint was nice, warm but not 'too' warm. It was somewhere around a 4C tint I'd say. No bugs or glitches that I could tell, and I tried all the modes. The only slight negative for me was that it maybe didn't 'feel' like 1,000 lumens, but that's probably because it's not a thrower. I used to have an ET TX25C2 and it seemed MUCH brighter even though they're theoretically about the same.
I got in on the pre-order that E2 had for the first shipment.
Hope that helps.
Lets hear some perspective on these questions.
The specs show that, without batteries, the H600w is about half the weight. One could assume that the added mass of the SC600 would be able to take more heat from the LED unit initially, but once the mass of aluminum is heated, it probably doesn't shed the heat from the exterior of the flashlight MUCH better than the H600. I mean, the surface area is probably not that much different.
One aspect is that the SC would most likely be held in hand, offering better heat transfer to the solidity of our appendage, whereas the H is likely to be suspended 'in the air' on a headlamp mount and air is said to transfer heat less effectively than human paws, with the circulating blood and all.
Perhaps this is splitting hairs but, come on; how many times have members already been scrutinizing small differences. Let's hear from you technical, experienced people.
I use the sunwayman C21C daily and I think its great. Very bright and a nice combo of flood and throw makes is pretty usable. Its very compact but does get rather hot.
I find the interface rather annoying and the on/off button is a bit small. This Zebralight looks like an attractive model.
easilyled
Flashaholic
Thanks, that was very helpful. Nice to hear first-hand accounts. I think lights that have a throw-orientated beam will always be perceived as brighter due to the blinding hotspot that they produce. :thumbsup:
Getting up in the middle of the night and just needing navigation light, the low, low does the trick. Don't believe the C21C has that. Vinhn offers an intriguing mod for the Sunwayman C21C however.
I hope so.I did the pre order from IS and still have no update on this thing. I am almost thinking about giving it up and putting my funds into my newest must get toy (Nikon D7100). I even have batteries that are still in "acceptance" from fasttech.com, it's been over 3 weeks. Might put it all up for sale including the charger that's just sitting here.
Hurry up ZL before I change my mind.
IlluminationSupply.com
Funny I just bought the D7100 last week!
Therefore I'm now ready to take incredible beamshot... but I need to receive that damn flashlight first!
jimboutilier
Enlightened
Ordered an SC600 MkII L2 from E2 Field Gear late Thursday night and it arrived USPS today. Got several status emails (ordered, picking, shipped) so good communication and fast processing.
It is a LOT smaller than I was expecting which is great. From its dimensions and pictures I expected it to be a jacket pocket or backpack light but it's actually seems small enough for jeans EDC. The pocket clip is quite good as clip ons go (sturdy, stiff but flexable, appears to be a nice TiNi black finish). . But the lanyard ring hole is so tiny and deep I think I'll have to look for a split ring that has a fair bit of length with a single wire (the ones I have now are double almost all the way around and won't fit, and one was not included with the light - just o rings and the clip).
Very nice fit and finish and great clicky feel. Although anodization doesent seem any more durable than my SC52s (which is to say not great from the marks left by putting the clip on and experimenting with a lanyard ring). Nice cool white tint with no hint of green. Pretty floody as expected so doesent seem as bright on a wall as some more throwey 1000 lumen lights I have, but comparable when using ceiling bounce so I don't doubt it's max output. Easily fits a protected EagleTac 3400mah 18650.
Maybe it's just the huge difference between H1 and M1 or L1 but the lower settings seem disproportionately low. And the alternate selections for M and L are even lower. In isolation I like the default L1 and M1 but it's a huge jump to H1 (or even H2 or H3, and doesent seem nicely spaced til H4).
So from my perspective a typical Zebralight product - class leader in small and light and efficient and bright. Great UI. Good fit and finish. But a few minor warts. I think I'm going to really like it.
It is a LOT smaller than I was expecting which is great. From its dimensions and pictures I expected it to be a jacket pocket or backpack light but it's actually seems small enough for jeans EDC. The pocket clip is quite good as clip ons go (sturdy, stiff but flexable, appears to be a nice TiNi black finish). . But the lanyard ring hole is so tiny and deep I think I'll have to look for a split ring that has a fair bit of length with a single wire (the ones I have now are double almost all the way around and won't fit, and one was not included with the light - just o rings and the clip).
Very nice fit and finish and great clicky feel. Although anodization doesent seem any more durable than my SC52s (which is to say not great from the marks left by putting the clip on and experimenting with a lanyard ring). Nice cool white tint with no hint of green. Pretty floody as expected so doesent seem as bright on a wall as some more throwey 1000 lumen lights I have, but comparable when using ceiling bounce so I don't doubt it's max output. Easily fits a protected EagleTac 3400mah 18650.
Maybe it's just the huge difference between H1 and M1 or L1 but the lower settings seem disproportionately low. And the alternate selections for M and L are even lower. In isolation I like the default L1 and M1 but it's a huge jump to H1 (or even H2 or H3, and doesent seem nicely spaced til H4).
So from my perspective a typical Zebralight product - class leader in small and light and efficient and bright. Great UI. Good fit and finish. But a few minor warts. I think I'm going to really like it.
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jimboutilier, do you have any lights with a similar beam profile to the SC600 MKII L2 that you could compare it to? If so, would you consider it the class leader in that group? Also, others have reported issues with the light not coming back on after shutting in off in secondary levels? Have you tried shutting it off and on while in the the alternate modes yet?
jimboutilier
Enlightened
I don't have any other EDCable single 18650 lights anywhere near this bright or efficient so I definitely consider it a class leader in size/weight/effeciency/brightness. I guess the closest brightness and beam quality I have is a TK41 (8AA). I have an EA4 (4AA) and GX25A3 (3AA) that have similar output but much more throwey beams and of course all these are much larger lights.
I played with with the settings a lot, including changing default levels to secondary and verifying the light came back on on those secondary levels and everything seemed to work fine with no glitches. It's possible there is some glitch that I just haven't tried the combination of settings to encounter though.
Hope this helps.
PS - one area that's not class leading is Zebralights warranty - only one year which is one of the worst. Also if it breaks out of warranty they are unlikely to have parts to fix it and you are likely in the position of making a new purchase. So consider it disposable if it fails after a year. These are pretty pricy lights for that but they are class leading in other respects.
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When you get into the programming, the lowest low is impressively dim. It's so low that I can't imagine it would have much use, but I like the fact it's an option.
easilyled
Flashaholic
I wouldn't underestimate the usefulness of an extremely low, low level. In the pitch dark of night-time, its ideal for preventing night-blindness when waking up and using it for very short-range illumination.
jimboutilier
Enlightened
I have a number of lights with sub lumen moonlight modes. And while I too appreciate having the option I find myself selecting through it and not using it the vast majority of the time. But everyone's eyes and needs differ so I'm sure there are folks that find such lows invaluable.
markr6
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I'll have to see this for myself. I really like the mode spacing on my SC52w, and was hoping the SC600w would be similar. I should have mine this week, maybe next at the latest.
jimboutilier
Enlightened
As you can see below, except for the H modes, the SC52 and SC600 output levels are similar (most folks couldn't distinguish between them). But the H on the SC600 modes are SO much higher the M an L modes seem a lot lower in comparison. I'm not really complaining. Having one light that can go from .01 to 1100 ANSI lumens is pretty fantastic.
SC52 Light Output
High: H1 280 Lm (0.9 hrs) or H2 172 Lm (1.7 hrs) / 108 Lm (3 hrs) / 4Hz Strobe
Medium: M1 50 Lm (7.5 hrs) or M2 25 Lm (12 hrs) / 12 Lm (27 hrs)
Low: L1 2.7 Lm (4 days) or L2 0.34 Lm (3 weeks) / 0.06 Lm (2 months) / 0.01 Lm (3 months)
SC600 MkII L2 Light Output
High: H1 1100 Lm (PID, approx 2 hr) or H2 670 Lm (PID, approx 2.5 hrs) / 356 Lm (3.9 hrs) / 162 Lm (11 hrs)
Medium: M1 70 Lm (30 hrs) or M2 32 Lm (66 hrs) / 12 Lm (172 hrs)
Low: L1 3.8 Lm (16 days) or L2 0.43 Lm (2.5 months) / 0.06 Lm (4.6 months) / 0.01 Lm (5.5 months)
Selfbuilt estimated that it was actually 0.002!
