eraursls1984
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In general I disagree, unless it's your only light. I think AA, AAA, and CR123 are must haves. Then go for other battery types for runtime (18650), size (CR2, N, 10180/220/250/280), or just plain artistic design.
Help me choose -- HDS vs Muyshondt for low-light usage...
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I think we agree actually. I have all those battery types you mentioned. But I think OP was making a choice between one or the other. And HDS is more practical in more than one way. If he can afford it, get both a la CPF!
peter yetman
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Just for fun, check out the Oveready BOSS...
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...le-BOSS-Flashlight-(Bright-Output-Small-Size)
It's the future.
P
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...le-BOSS-Flashlight-(Bright-Output-Small-Size)
It's the future.
P
The HDS Rotary can be fitted with a Streamlight Protac clip for a couple dollars, fits tightly and is unobtrusive. You can also put a Surefire diffuser for reading, it fits like a glove. Fenix makes a small cone diffuser that fits like it was made for it to make a lamp.
peter yetman
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Endeavour
Flashlight Enthusiast
"What Muyshondts lack in practicality they appreciate more as a form of art."
"But I can't see a reason to get the Muyshondt, its better as a work of art than a flashlight."
What an odd sentiment.
While I appreciate my work being considered art, and I do work to make sure my designs are crafted to my own high standards, suggesting that my lights, and the Aeon in particular – one of the most popular lights I have ever made and that has spawned many lesser imitations, is not practical, is a bit absurd.
The Aeon is small, bright, lightweight, and runs for a very long time, and is comfortably better quality than anything else presently on the market from any other maker. This isn't just my (biased) opinion – there are reviews here on the forum and elsewhere indicating as such for the Mk. I-III models. There is no other light that offers superior fit and finish, a pushbutton tailswitch and clip in such a small package, nor a balanced performance level that won't leave you in the dark, won't overheat, and won't leave you wishing for more light in situations in which you'd normally use a pocket light.
I'm not entirely sure where the notion comes from that the Aeon – a light that produces 160 lumens on high mode, fits in your pocket, is 1.2 ounces in weight, is built with miniaturized and efficient electronics of my design, and in its base model is made from hardcoat anodized 7075-T6 aluminum (aluminum with the strength of steel but none of the weight), or 6AL4V titanium (long since sold out), is anything but the very definition of practical, but everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion.
I would invite all of you to read a few entries on the blog on my website, specifically:
https://shop.muyshondt.net/blogs/muyshondt-blog/on-design
https://shop.muyshondt.net/blogs/muyshondt-blog/117295299-on-quality
https://shop.muyshondt.net/blogs/mu...i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-torch
To the OP: I've been making lights since 2006. Many of those lights are still in service and I expect will be for quite some time. The warranty lasts for a year because I cannot keep an inventory of parts indefinitely on limited production items. In the unlikely event you ever had a post-warranty manufacturing defect (not self-inflicted damage, abuse, or modifications, etc.), I'd figure out some way to help you out, even if the torch was out of production.
As for rechargeable cells, the light is designed around lithium primaries and to drain them completely dry, which is incompatible with a battery chemistry that is both 1) overvoltaged vs. a regular CR2 cell, 2) becomes damaged when discharged below about 2.75V. LiFePO4 cells that have a charging voltage of ~3V are fine, though part 2 still remains.
To your decision: The two choices you have for yourself are very different lights and I'm not sure fill the same intended role. They don't for me, at least, and I've generally avoided the CR123 form factor for design because I have tended to find the size awkward for EDC purposes despite the ubiquity of the cell. You need to decide whether you're most comfortable with a larger, heavier light that's programmable, vs. a smaller one that's pre-set. The lumens differences on paper are unlikely to be of much consequence in actual use, and I expect that the difference in battery type won't make much ultimate difference for you in actual use either.
Of course, the best way to decide is in person, as my opinion (or anyone else's), doesn't matter – only your's does. If you're interested, feel free to check with scout24 here to see if you can add yourself to the last slot on the passaround list, and then try the Aeon for yourself and see if it works for you:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...Muyshondt-Aeon-Mk-III-and-Maus-MkI-passaround!
Good luck with your choice, and I hope you enjoy and get good use out of whichever light you ultimately choose.
Regards,
Enrique
"But I can't see a reason to get the Muyshondt, its better as a work of art than a flashlight."
What an odd sentiment.
While I appreciate my work being considered art, and I do work to make sure my designs are crafted to my own high standards, suggesting that my lights, and the Aeon in particular – one of the most popular lights I have ever made and that has spawned many lesser imitations, is not practical, is a bit absurd.
The Aeon is small, bright, lightweight, and runs for a very long time, and is comfortably better quality than anything else presently on the market from any other maker. This isn't just my (biased) opinion – there are reviews here on the forum and elsewhere indicating as such for the Mk. I-III models. There is no other light that offers superior fit and finish, a pushbutton tailswitch and clip in such a small package, nor a balanced performance level that won't leave you in the dark, won't overheat, and won't leave you wishing for more light in situations in which you'd normally use a pocket light.
I'm not entirely sure where the notion comes from that the Aeon – a light that produces 160 lumens on high mode, fits in your pocket, is 1.2 ounces in weight, is built with miniaturized and efficient electronics of my design, and in its base model is made from hardcoat anodized 7075-T6 aluminum (aluminum with the strength of steel but none of the weight), or 6AL4V titanium (long since sold out), is anything but the very definition of practical, but everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion.
I would invite all of you to read a few entries on the blog on my website, specifically:
https://shop.muyshondt.net/blogs/muyshondt-blog/on-design
https://shop.muyshondt.net/blogs/muyshondt-blog/117295299-on-quality
https://shop.muyshondt.net/blogs/mu...i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-torch
To the OP: I've been making lights since 2006. Many of those lights are still in service and I expect will be for quite some time. The warranty lasts for a year because I cannot keep an inventory of parts indefinitely on limited production items. In the unlikely event you ever had a post-warranty manufacturing defect (not self-inflicted damage, abuse, or modifications, etc.), I'd figure out some way to help you out, even if the torch was out of production.
As for rechargeable cells, the light is designed around lithium primaries and to drain them completely dry, which is incompatible with a battery chemistry that is both 1) overvoltaged vs. a regular CR2 cell, 2) becomes damaged when discharged below about 2.75V. LiFePO4 cells that have a charging voltage of ~3V are fine, though part 2 still remains.
To your decision: The two choices you have for yourself are very different lights and I'm not sure fill the same intended role. They don't for me, at least, and I've generally avoided the CR123 form factor for design because I have tended to find the size awkward for EDC purposes despite the ubiquity of the cell. You need to decide whether you're most comfortable with a larger, heavier light that's programmable, vs. a smaller one that's pre-set. The lumens differences on paper are unlikely to be of much consequence in actual use, and I expect that the difference in battery type won't make much ultimate difference for you in actual use either.
Of course, the best way to decide is in person, as my opinion (or anyone else's), doesn't matter – only your's does. If you're interested, feel free to check with scout24 here to see if you can add yourself to the last slot on the passaround list, and then try the Aeon for yourself and see if it works for you:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...Muyshondt-Aeon-Mk-III-and-Maus-MkI-passaround!
Good luck with your choice, and I hope you enjoy and get good use out of whichever light you ultimately choose.
Regards,
Enrique
the0dore3524
Flashlight Enthusiast
Please don't equivocate my reference to practicality. While I don't doubt that your lights are practical with regard to carry and design, I spoke with reference to the exotic metals that you utilize in said design. Maybe it's just me - as you said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion - but I definitely would not carry a thousand dollar flashlight around with me on a daily basis. I hope that served to elucidate on the aforementioned.
On another note, I feel that you are absolutely right: these two lights have very different applications; therefore, it's hard to draw a line between which to choose. As always, the best option is to just buy both if possible. [emoji106]
On another note, I feel that you are absolutely right: these two lights have very different applications; therefore, it's hard to draw a line between which to choose. As always, the best option is to just buy both if possible. [emoji106]
Th aeon does come in an aluminium version that's around $300 still not cheap but you will pay for more exotic materials. I never liked the CR2 format explaining why I've never bought a light made by Enrique who has been making lights for as long as I've been on the CPF scene. I think there's certainly something to be said for his staying power in a field where builders come and go. I truly love the small form factor light however and you can't go wrong with either of your initial choices. However, 2016 has seen th introduction of some really great lights of which Olight comes to the top of my mind. And for the value, you really cannot go wrong trying out for example a S1R which has the convenience of in-light charging. Here are some of my smaller lights:
Just wanted to say thanks for responding to this thread -- it means a lot to me (and I'm sure to all fellow CPF members) that we get to interact with manufacturers and fine folks such as yourself! :twothumbs
Lots of food for thought here, inching closer to making a decision...
ven
Flashaholic
I think which ever you get bigfoot you will :thinking: about the other one you did not!.....................so its simple, you need both and rotate them If one is not preferred, it will be snapped up instantly on here...........As both have a very strong following
If one is not preferred, it will be snapped up instantly on here...........As both have a very strong following 
Tejasandre
Flashlight Enthusiast
Nice choice. Thanks for letting us know.
the0dore3524
Flashlight Enthusiast
Good choice, you won't be disappointed!
jon_slider
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Congratulations on your selection of an all time classic, it is the one I would buy.
here is a really interesting thread, while you are waiting.. I hope it arrives ASAP
A brief history of the HDS universe
meanwhile, Accessorize!
Maybe a carry system From Thor's Hammer:
and/or clip
clickable pics are links
or a soft deerskin pouch or other pocket knife slip cover,
or an inside pocket case with a clip
time to go shopping!
here is a really interesting thread, while you are waiting.. I hope it arrives ASAP
A brief history of the HDS universe
meanwhile, Accessorize!
Maybe a carry system From Thor's Hammer:
and/or clip
clickable pics are links
or a soft deerskin pouch or other pocket knife slip cover,
or an inside pocket case with a clip
time to go shopping!
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Congrats on your choice it is the one I would have chosen as well.
Dr Forinor
Enlightened
I just wish they made the HDS High CRI max around 300-350 lumens, I'd be all up in that!
