Lemax LX70 Superpower HID Light

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Why not just unfocus the maxabeam a little then?
It has electronic focus if you want to change the spot size.
Are you maybe referring to less lumens from the maxabeam?
 

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Apologies for the overloaded mailbox, just so popular I can't keep it clean enough to receive anymore! HA!

Anyway, I own several of these "big gun" lights and try to get them out once in awhile for comparisons. BVH makes an excellent point in saying that at the distances many of these lights can cast a beam, their usefulness comes into question. There really IS a need for a pair of binoculars to get a remote idea of what is out there and, at that point, other than the testing itself and the statement "mine is bigger (brighter) than yours", there really is no justification for ownership unless you're in the National Guard or some similar military/civilian service. Gotta have our toys though! I digress....

Sledhead and I "tested" several of our lights this past Fall out at Lackawanna State Park in NE Pa. Testing/reviewing involved casting beams over and across a large lake in that same park nothing even remotely "scientific" by any means---"Hey Sandy, wadaya see waaaaaay down there now?" was stated several times. The two lights germane to part this thread were/are a LEMAX 70 and a Maxabeam, Gen II. Both of these lights had very little time on them, Sandy's LEMAX maybe an hour or so, my Maxabeam, 2-3 (?) hours----bought it several years back and take it out to dust it off so, low milage. Now, VISUALLY, there was no comparison involved between these two lights as I stated in a previous post, the LEMAX 70 cast a much longer, distant beam and, even withstanding the distance, the beam itself was much more usable in that there was some decent spread of the beam itself. Now, the LEMAX is "limited" to a fixed beam and, the Maxabeam has a variable width adjustment----the longer the cast, the smaller the area illuminated but, even so, my GenII was overpowered by Sandy's LEMAX70.

The "target" for the tests was a concrete bridge maybe 300 yards distant and, we did encounter a significant amount of surface humidity above the lake surface so, we a had some "fog" distorting our review but, the LEMAX "beat" the Maxabeam, period. It is interesting to note that picture "documentation" of this simplified "shootout" was most deceiving---side by side, the Maxabeam light could not be seen in the photos however, we could see the beams clearly with the naked eye. Need to get Sandy to drop a few grand on some decent camera equipment I'd say!!

In the meantime, being the kid I am, I purchased a "Superpower"---from LEMAX in the old country, and, I've got Sandy beat....for now anyway. He claims at this rate he will never retire however so, I suspect he'll be contacting BVH soon to secure one of his WWII lights! I will say little about the performance of the SUPERPOWER at this point---lotsa lumens states it all. If you've got extra retirement funds to burn or are affiliated with some professional group in search and rescue, ya gotta have one!

As an aside, the SUPERPOWER is a bit of a "bear" to carry---the front end is too large to balance even with the shoulder strap is attached. I have constructed a cable-carry strap which attaches much further forward on the head of the light to attempt to balance it more evenly--works fine. The sheer size of the Superpower head however reminds me of the diameter of the afterburner on an F-18 and, with similar output....NOT a handsome light IMO .."Boy is she ugly but she shore can cook"!! Not your typical EDC unless you're the Hulk.

Now....upgrading my Maxabeam to the Gen III is possible but, I'll have to buy a larger generator to charge up all of these battery packs when I'm in the field testing....

Forgive my attempts at humor folks, I know, "Karl, don't quit your day job".



Karl
 

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Why not just unfocus the maxabeam a little then?
It has electronic focus if you want to change the spot size.
Are you maybe referring to less lumens from the maxabeam?

Because, it is a weak beam, minimal throw when unfocused from the very narrow spot beam. MB is only effective when fully focused. It doesn't offer a lot of lumens for useful flexibility.
 
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Dan beat me to it. Even a slight de-focus significantly reduces the small intense point of light hitting the target. It only produces about 1800 Lumens if I remember correctly from what Robert at Peakbeam posted a while back - the Gen 3 version at latched High at 85 Watts. Or it may have been 1500 OTF Lumens, can't quite remember. The Gen two will be less at the lower Wattage.

But don't forget we're talking about distances where the Human eye can't resolve much anyway at night. Both lights are powerhouses at what they are designed for so both are great additions to your inventory.
 
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Here are the beam shots that Karl mentioned.....keep in mind they are iPhone shots but .....they make the point.

Note: They are not in order....still getting the hang of posting pics. Lights are a Polarion PH50, Polarion Abyss, my LX70 in 50watt mode and then in 70watt mode.

Next post will have a comparison between Karls Maxabeam and my Lemax LX70...I hope.

1) Abyss 2)LX70 3)PH50 4)LX70 in 50Watt mode 5) LX70
 

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MAXABEAM and LEMAX LX70 .......... SuperPower and SuperPower ULTRA will be added at a future date! :eek:
 

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Not surprising that the light with a larger head diameter and more lumens makes a brighter, thicker beam.
Of course if you want something for best usability at close range, like 1-2km or less, then the LX70S is better.
If you want the farthest possible throw, then you can't beat the maxabeam G3.
 

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I have used both the LX70 and the Maxabeam Gen2 and Gen3. For practical lighting purposes in a distance of 0.5-1.5km there is no comparison. The LX70 actually allows you to find something. The second pic in post 248 demonstrates this clearly. The Maxabeam is more of a signaling device.

The one thing that the Maxabeam does better is tint and color rendering. Xenon short-arc bulbs have almost 100CRI and a very white tint (no yellow-green etc.). Automotive HID bulbs on the other hand have 70-75CRI and the LX70 I used was a bit greenish (when using the diffusor). It does have a much lower CCT (less blue content) though which improves visibility of the lit up target.

Also the "toy factor" of the Maxabeam is a little bit higher because of the motorized focus. :rolleyes:
 
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Addressing the tint.....I'd go the other way. I love the Lemax and Polarion rendering. Personal preference for sure, looks like my favorite 4000 HDS.

Wonder what the DL Fatboy bulb is........
 
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There is a scenic overlook that I use for my test range. Distance from the parking area to the barn is 1.3 miles per Google Earth

I own gen II and gen III MaxaBeams as well as the Xeonics Night Hunter One, the Polarion PH50, the Night Reaper and a few other Xeon or short ARC lights.

The Maxa Beam light needs optimum focusing as part of the bulb calibration process. One of the gen III MaxaBeam lights consistently out throws the other light. Same for one of the gen II lights. This gen II light out throws one of the gen III lights as it focused tighter.

From 300-700 yards, the Xeon lights provided much more light, as they have 3 times the lumens than the MaxaBeam or the Night Hunter One.

Beyond 800 yards, the short arc MaxaBeam and Night Hunter hit distant targets that you can't see using the Xeon lights.

One advantage of the Night Hunter One is due to being manual focus you can get the sweet spot of focus easier than the MaxaBeam.
 
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Wonder what the DL Fatboy bulb is........

It is the only bulb we can recommend above 70 watts. Made by Philips maybe 15 years ago. The other bulb we use at 50 watts and above up to 70 watts is the DL50/740 also from Philips.
The "fatboy" has proven itself to handle 80-85 watts quite well, in all of our special applications.
 

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I've lost two posts so far, dang!

Sandy and I didn't notice any greenish cast using the diffuser but then we were illuminating grass and greenish cast water. I'd think visually determining numerical CRI a task beyond most but then, who knows?

"NoNotAgain" pointed out several very important aspects of the testing---that of proper focusing...am I right in using the term "collimnating"? Not properly set up, just as a high performance auto , these lights will give differing performance,in this case one "identical" light providing different lighting characteristics.

It's certainly entertaining though testing/reviewing becomes "work" or at very least, requires good planning.



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I should point out that I am tint and cri "snob" and most of my collection consists of high-cri LED lights. So I might be a bit more sensitive in this regard.

Tint has nothing to do with cri. Two very different things. The CRI of 70-75 is an inherent property of automotive HID bulbs, as is the very high cri rating of Xenon short-arc bulbs (they emit a very continuous spectrum).

To me the tint was the one small downside I noticed when trying out the LX70, mainly when using the diffusor. Other than that it's great.

Regarding the Polarions being bright - the LX70 is even brighter!
 

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"Tint has nothing to do with cri. Two very different things."

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Forgive me, my intent was not infer they were :eek: though I'll admit, I may well be partially color blind...I just don't generally notice subtle color variations in actual use situations.....unless that is, I have two lights side by side and am casting them on white walls. Just me I guess....:shakehead..... HOWEVER...it was previously noted (I believe in this thread) that there can be variability in adjustment in the final production lights, not to even address the diffuser lens "individuality". Soooo, quite probably we're both on the same track here with Sledhead's lens providing somewhat a lesser greenish cast!:cool:


Karl
 
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Anyone seen bulbmogul? I need some beam shots!


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My wife and I are in Sri Lanka for the winter and will not return back home to the States till mid April..We been here since first week of December so that i can pursue my first love and passion of long distance riding on my bicycles in the HEAT and Humidity..:) No beam shots yet but should do one sometime..:)
 
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