Airline Pilot - Cockpit/Pre-Flight Flashlight

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Currently using a Zebralight SC600w IV HI - it works just fine to be honest, but my two big complaints are that the beam is almost too narrow, which requires me to scan a lot of aircraft surface area and the battery does not last as long on high as I'd like (I guess I should just get in the habit of recharging the 18650 battery after every trip). Great size and great form factor though. I've always wanted a Malkoff M61 High/Low MD2, but have just never pulled the trigger.

==================Flashlight Recommendation Checklist================

1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?


Online

2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :)

Up to $200.

3) Format:

I want a flashlight (hand held/self contained).

4) Size:

SMALL - Every day carry (4-7 inches).
MEDIUM - Holster/belt ring carry. (>7 inches)

5) Emitter/Light source:

LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)

6) Manufacturer:

Open to options

7) What power source do you want to use?

I intend to use Rechargeable cells based on less common formats (18500 or 18650 Li-Ion, RCR123, et-al).

8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is not a happy experience).

Cockpit usage - lower output (less than 100 lumens?)

Aircraft Preflight - top of vertical stabilizer is roughly 41 feet off the ground; I originally though a tighter beam would be best, but it just means I have to scan more aircraft surface area with the small beam. I'd almost rather have a more floody light that covers more area. This is my biggest complaint with my Zebralight SC600w IV HI


9) Flood vs Throw: Flood covers an area, Throw reaches out to a distance.

Not sure between these three:

Wide Flood: I want a defined flood area for semi-close tasks like after-dark campsite tasks or working on a car.
Narrow Flood: I want a sharply defined flood area that will project some distance for tasks like trail walking.
Wide Throw: I want a beam with a noticeable hot-center for distance throw and a significant amount of "side-spill". Good for rough trail hiking, search and rescue, and general distance work.

9a) Distance: How far away will you typically need to see with this light (check all that apply)

Less than 1 yard (reading, other close work)
Less than 5 yards (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
5-20 yards (check out a noise in the backyard)

10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum continuous output).

Only used for short periods of aircraft pre-flighting, but doing it multiple times a trip. That said, longer the better

11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.

Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).

12) Switch Size, Type, and location (choose all that apply):

I don't care.

13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

I do not care.

14)Material/Finish/Coating

Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today's higher end flashlights).
Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).

15) Water resistance

At least IPX4 (Splash resistant)

16) Storage conditions

Flight Bag

17) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any/all below.

N/A
 

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A Malkoff MD2 M61 Hi/Low would be fine, it has better spill than the HOT or T variants. It'll run on an 18650, which will run it for a couple of hours before any noticeable drop off.

If you are needing it to run longer then the MD3 or MD4 bodies are available, the MD4 being about 7" in length will allow you to use 2 x 18650's. If you buy an MD2, and decide at a later date you need more runtime, then you can add one or 2 single cell extenders (see below thread), to run on either 2 x 18500's or 2 x 18650's.

Low mode will be plenty for reading FRC's etc in the cockpit.

Single Cell body extender
 

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Led Lenser P17. I recommend this because you DO need a 2xD flashlight or equal in good condition as required by law in my country and lithium is frowned upon by the gov for aircraft and vessels.

This light has insane runtime but not overly bright and can be switched to a lower brightness with another click of the switch. The beam can be adjusted too. Its less than 100 Euro. Overseas is where they are sold nowadays, I got mine from Italy.

This is a very interesting question on a topic I researched one day for fun. I don't think Surefire Aviator which would have been something I would have recommended earlier is even legal. If it is and not mil-use only I don't think you can so easily carry spare batteries like you can with alkaline.
 

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This is a very interesting question on a topic I researched one day for fun. I don't think Surefire Aviator which would have been something I would have recommended earlier is even legal. If it is and not mil-use only I don't think you can so easily carry spare batteries like you can with alkaline.
I checked the FAA & CASA regulations and battery limits (carry on luggage) only apply to lithium cells over 100 W/h, consumer grade batteries (including lithium primaries) need to be kept in their original packaging, individually in separate containers OR with the terminals insulated, thus a Surefire Aviator & spares is ok👍




M&Ms 35g candy treat tubes (also used for vitamins) make great 18650/17670 storage cases...
 
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Id grab a malkoff 18650 wildcat. All flood but has reach as well. Take off the diffuser film and you get a ton of throw and a huge hotspot
 

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a pilot posted a review for the Malkoff Hound Dog, he says it's great:
 

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If regulations require a 2D cell light, then how about this?


Even less money but greater candela/throw:

 

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FAR part 91 requires a flashlight that is at least equal to two size "D" cells. It does not have to use two "d" cells.

PAR part 121 (air carriers) only says the crewmembers need a flashlight in good working order. The OP is operating under Part 121, so Part 91 does not apply, although common sense would suggest abiding by the more strict requirement of having something at least equal to two "D" cells.

I would say any of the batteries the OP mentioned are at least equal to two "D" cells. He needs something low intensity red for in the cockpit, and something brighter for doing his outside pre-flight walk-around checks.

§ 91.503 Flying equipment and operating information.
(a) The pilot in command of an airplane shall ensure that the following flying equipment and aeronautical charts and data, in current and appropriate form, are accessible for each flight at the pilot station of the airplane:

(1) A flashlight having at least two size "D" cells, or the equivalent, that is in good working order.

14 CFR § 121.549 - Flying equipment.
§ 121.549 Flying equipment.
(a) The pilot in command shall ensure that appropriate aeronautical charts containing adequate information concerning navigation aids and instrument approach procedures are aboard the aircraft for each flight.

(b) Each crew member shall, on each flight, have readily available for his use a flashlight that is in good working order.
 

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FAR part 91 requires a flashlight that is at least equal to two size "D" cells. It does not have to use two "d" cells.

PAR part 121 (air carriers) only says the crewmembers need a flashlight in good working order. The OP is operating under Part 121, so Part 91 does not apply, although common sense would suggest abiding by the more strict requirement of having something at least equal to two "D" cells.

I would say any of the batteries the OP mentioned are at least equal to two "D" cells. He needs something low intensity red for in the cockpit, and something brighter for doing his outside pre-flight walk-around checks.

§ 91.503 Flying equipment and operating information.
(a) The pilot in command of an airplane shall ensure that the following flying equipment and aeronautical charts and data, in current and appropriate form, are accessible for each flight at the pilot station of the airplane:

(1) A flashlight having at least two size "D" cells, or the equivalent, that is in good working order.

14 CFR § 121.549 - Flying equipment.
§ 121.549 Flying equipment.
(a) The pilot in command shall ensure that appropriate aeronautical charts containing adequate information concerning navigation aids and instrument approach procedures are aboard the aircraft for each flight.

(b) Each crew member shall, on each flight, have readily available for his use a flashlight that is in good working order.
This added to either Maglite above would give the red light. For low intensity, perhaps the ML300L on Eco mode would work better than the other.

 

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Undoubtedly a more affordable solution... an LRI Photon white/red LED might be a better option to that Streamlight Stylus though with the MagLED 2D (or better equivalent) as a back up and for external pre-flight checks.


Surefire Aviator online prices vary wildly perhaps in part due to collectors...
 

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I'll just throw in a recommendation for an Olight Warrior Mini II. Has a moonlight mode which might be useful in the cockpit but is more than capable of illuminating the entire plane from 100m away. Magnetic base could also be useful but the downside is proprietary rechargeable cell. Uses a magnetic puck to charge.
 

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Airline Pilot - Cockpit/Pre-Flight Flashlight ...

With the desirable features you described in the OP, IMO one of the Malkoff lights would be fine.

Indeed, with most of those features in the Malkoff M61, they're my go-to lights. I've got several. With a decent body/head/tail, moderate water repellency exists. The LED modules are fully potted, and the big brass body/sink of the modules help get rid of heat nicely. They're not the brightest, but they're plenty bright for anything within 15ft.

M361N Low/Med/High -- it'd be stellar for you, I think. The "Low" feature would allow you to get into tighter, cramped spots where too much light would overwhelm visibility. And the sharpness of the optics is a given, with the wonderful McLeish reflector. The M361N has a 95 CRI, which will help with sharpness and rendition, as compared to the many lights out there with 80-something CRI. (There's no comparison, IMO.) Pair with Malkoff's MD2 body/head/tail, and you'll have a durable, reliable tool that'll give fantastic light for years to come.

I've got several of the M61W, and one of the M61N. Extremely good-quality lights.
 

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I'll just throw in a recommendation for an Olight Warrior Mini II. Has a moonlight mode which might be useful in the cockpit but is more than capable of illuminating the entire plane from 100m away. Magnetic base could also be useful but the downside is proprietary rechargeable cell. Uses a magnetic puck to charge.
...but how important is good CRI as it relates to a pilot? I don't know, I'm just asking. If it is an important thing, then take all oLight offerings off the table.
 

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Of all things flight flashlights got me interested in this hobby beyond the basics.

When I was young any usable light was good, a MiniMaglite was awesome, and a 3D regular Maglite was the professional light because it is what the cops used. Even if I seen a Magcharger on TV I was sure that wasn't the right light because enough Mag 3Ds floated around in my neighbourhood that I was sure that had to be the light.

Things changed after seeing a film called Cast Away. In it was a light called Streamlight Scorpion and it had a pouch. I didn't know what that light was for almost a decade as I didn't have any place to discuss lights. For those that don't know this is a two cell CR123 light with a bipin Xenon bulb.

I'm on my second one now with some decent accessories and I've even bought the LED versions, one of which I gave to a relative who was an LEO for duty use, back in the day of course.

When researching lights for this trade I see a lot of cheap lights that no one here cares about and some weird specialty lights. Like green or red lights that fit on your finger, that Surefire aviator, and certain NVG sets.

I wish there was more trade specific lights. It makes collecting them more interesting as they can become conversation pieces and its fun to see the thought that goes into the design and functions.
 

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A possible option for you is to get some cheap DC Fix film from this guy Here

It will smooth out the Hi LED in that light and give you more flood. Not sticky and easy to remove, reapply or replace. 3% loss of output.

Spare high capacity battery for hot swap.

Hard to find a better light with that much power and the low lows etc.

Cheers

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Things changed after seeing a film called Cast Away. In it was a light called Streamlight Scorpion and it had a pouch. I didn't know what that light was for almost a decade as I didn't have any place to discuss lights. For those that don't know this is a two cell CR123 light with a bipin Xenon bulb.

I have both the LED variant and the "Wilson approved" Xenon version 😉
I wish there was more trade specific lights. It makes collecting them more interesting as they can become conversation pieces and its fun to see the thought that goes into the design and functions.
Smith & Wesson - Night Guard dual/quad beam (red/white or W+ RGB)
Coast - PX20 dual beam (red/white)
Flight Outfitters - Bush Pilot (white/green)
ASA - Flight Light 3 (W + R/G)
Fenix TK26R (W + R/G)


Then there are the specialist astronomy flashlights
 
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