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Trevilux

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Hello:
A few months ago I bought one Armytek Prime A1 Pro warm. I only turn on and seems ok. Now I have decided test it a little for a little review. I have a problem, I am testing with fresh eneloops and Energizer Ultimate Lithium (primary lithium), but the Turbo is unusable, always flashing the alert of low voltage in a few seconds (5-10 sec) and down to moonlight mode. This flashlight is a first batch, (is a not a cheap flashlight for me, and I like a solution). You know about this problem?
 

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Hello:
A few months ago I bought one Armytek Prime A1 Pro warm. I only turn on and seems ok. Now I have decided test it a little for a little review. I have a problem, I am testing with fresh eneloops and Energizer Ultimate Lithium (primary lithium), but the Turbo is unusable, always flashing the alert of low voltage in a few seconds (5-10 sec) and down to moonlight mode. This flashlight is a first batch, (is a not a cheap flashlight for me, and I like a solution). You know about this problem?

Judging by how my Prime behave, that's what it does when the battery voltage drops too low under load. Usually, that happens when the battery is almost drained. However, it could also be because the battery's internal resistance is high, and it can't deliver the required load without a large voltage sag.

High internal resistance usually isn't a problem with Eneloops (it's a sign of an old battery, or a cheap one). But, you should rule it out by trying your light with new Eneloops, or at least a battery that you know can deliver high current without much voltage sag.

I'm not sure how the Prime works with a Energizer Ultimate Lithium. I know those batteries can't deliver as much current as a good Eneloop, but I'm not sure if turbo is more demanding than an Energizer can handle. Could be.

Does your light work on the highest main mode? If so, that may indicate it's a battery problem. If your light won't work on the main modes, then it's unlikely to be a battery problem, especially if you've tried it with multiple batteries.

In summary, the Prime does require good batteries to work on turbo. Rule out a battery problem, before assuming it's the light.
 

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Light is faulty - I have same one and it runs an old 6yr+ Eneloop, that has lost ~20% of its capacity, just fine on Turbo (although output is reduced from a new fresh cell). No way should it step down to moonlight in seconds. Mine sample has other "issues" though :(.

Have it repaired under warranty. Please report back on how long this process takes (ie, round-trip through ChinaPost's black hole).
 
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Light is faulty - I have same one and it runs an old 6yr+ Eneloop, that has lost ~20% of its capacity, just fine on Turbo (although output is reduced from a new fresh cell). No way should it step down to moonlight in seconds.

Yes, I have 9+ year old Eneloops that work fine with mine, as well. But, it's possible that his Eneloops have suffered damage or abuse. It might not be likely, but it will be a lot quicker to rule it out, rather than send the light off for repair right away.
 

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I hope a reply from Armytek. I have contacted to the email of manufacturer, I will comment here his solution (when they reply...).

This year I have bought 3 Armytek first batch, I am interested in good flashlights for review.... but;

1. Armytek Prime C2 warm: I have make a review http://luxlinternas.blogspot.com.es/2015/03/armytek-prime-c2-warm-1x18655en.html, is nice flashlight but my unit (first batch, bought on a store, not manufacturer) have a defective Thermal management gestion ( I think was a general problem of the first batch). I made an agreement with my salesperson for a good partial refund and a sale to someone who knew the defect.
2. Armytek Dobermann. I have bought this unit from a european seller (first batch). Only 3 modes. Manufacturer don't indicate that first batch will be diferent It has different modes that the final version. They accuse vendors not report the characteristics of this flashlight to the buyer, and wash their hands. The flashlight works well, but on the official website did not give details of this model (first batch ... not moonlight, not strobe).
3. Armytek Prime A1 Pro. I have tried with different high quality Eneloops and Panasonic eneloops (I have a great collection), Turbo mode is not supported for more than a few seconds and then go to moonlight (turbo is not useful). I will wait for a Armytek reply ....

My first impresions about brand. I will never buy his first batch....
 

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Hello:
A few months ago I bought one Armytek Prime A1 Pro warm. I only turn on and seems ok. Now I have decided test it a little for a little review. I have a problem, I am testing with fresh eneloops and Energizer Ultimate Lithium (primary lithium), but the Turbo is unusable, always flashing the alert of low voltage in a few seconds (5-10 sec) and down to moonlight mode. This flashlight is a first batch, (is a not a cheap flashlight for me, and I like a solution). You know about this problem?

Thank you for describing your problem here. Our specialist will answer you soon.
 

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Hi there ArmyTek, I was at first quite disappointed in the Prime A1 that I had purchased, I was going click-click-click-click, hmmm, where's the strobe??? Then I realised I was using the non-pro version, silly me. Then I popped in a 14500, double clicked to get to Max, nope, can't do it, light flashes once and went dead, had to unscrew the tailcap and screw the tailcap back, it can go through Firefly1, Firefly2, Min, Medium, Max and that's it. Is this a fault of my 14500?

Which 14500s would you recommend I purchase?
 

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Hi there ArmyTek, I was at first quite disappointed in the Prime A1 that I had purchased, I was going click-click-click-click, hmmm, where's the strobe??? Then I realised I was using the non-pro version, silly me. Then I popped in a 14500, double clicked to get to Max, nope, can't do it, light flashes once and went dead, had to unscrew the tailcap and screw the tailcap back, it can go through Firefly1, Firefly2, Min, Medium, Max and that's it. Is this a fault of my 14500?

Which 14500s would you recommend I purchase?

Hi!
Please describe in details what happens when you turn on the flashlight. Does it work or not? Check all the modes using 14500. If the flashlight doesn`t work with 14500, please use AA and write us what happens. We should understand where the problem is (in power source, flashlight, etc.).
 

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Hi!
Please describe in details what happens when you turn on the flashlight. Does it work or not? Check all the modes using 14500. If the flashlight doesn`t work with 14500, please use AA and write us what happens. We should understand where the problem is (in power source, flashlight, etc.).

Hi ArmyTek,

With an Eneloop there is no problem, with the 14500, the problem is when i attempt to turn it to MAXIMUM, the main modes 1-2-3 no problem but when I double click to go to MAXIMUM, the light flashes once, everything stops, click, nothing happens until I take off tailcap amd put it back on.

What do you think is wrong?
 

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Hi ArmyTek,

With an Eneloop there is no problem, with the 14500, the problem is when i attempt to turn it to MAXIMUM, the main modes 1-2-3 no problem but when I double click to go to MAXIMUM, the light flashes once, everything stops, click, nothing happens until I take off tailcap amd put it back on.

What do you think is wrong?

We guess that power sourse has low degree of protection in Max mode.
It will be better if you will use any branded power source, AW for example.
 

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We guess that power sourse has low degree of protection in Max mode.
It will be better if you will use any branded power source, AW for example.

Would you recommend a protected or unprotected 14500, which brands do you use for testing? Can I get a few of those?
 

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You are welcome! Ask me if you need any other questions. :)

Hi ArmyTek, sorry to trouble you, I have placed a freshly charged Eneloop into the ArmyTek Prime non pro A1, cell reads 1.43v so no problem. From Firefly 1, I double click to go to max, and the light goes to max, stays at max for about 2 sec then goes off completely, is there something wrong, this is getting frustrating :(

UPDATE:

Ok, its time to change the eneloops right?

Weird behaviour from the cells. For all cells, this was the test, first Firefly1 - double click - Turbo.


1st type of behaviour: completely okay, no problems;
2nd type of behaviour: cell enters Turbo, blinks twice, then continues operation (whether on turbo or it has stepped down a mode I cannot tell)
3rd type of behaviour: cell enters Turbo, goes off after 2 seconds.


 
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Hi ArmyTek, sorry to trouble you, I have placed a freshly charged Eneloop into the ArmyTek Prime non pro A1, cell reads 1.43v so no problem. From Firefly 1, I double click to go to max, and the light goes to max, stays at max for about 2 sec then goes off completely, is there something wrong, this is getting frustrating :(

UPDATE:

Ok, its time to change the eneloops right?

Weird behaviour from the cells. For all cells, this was the test, first Firefly1 - double click - Turbo.


1st type of behaviour: completely okay, no problems;
2nd type of behaviour: cell enters Turbo, blinks twice, then continues operation (whether on turbo or it has stepped down a mode I cannot tell)
3rd type of behaviour: cell enters Turbo, goes off after 2 seconds.



Hi! It`s OK, I am here to answer all your questions.

Thank you for describing your problem in details.
If the flashlight behaves well with one of power sources, the problem is not in the flashlight.

2 and 3 types of behaviour - Turbo consumes much current.
 

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Hi! It`s OK, I am here to answer all your questions.

Thank you for describing your problem in details.
If the flashlight behaves well with one of power sources, the problem is not in the flashlight.

2 and 3 types of behaviour - Turbo consumes much current.

Hi, I believe I have solved the problem, the problem lies with the cells, I have tried using newer cells and there is absolutely no problem, thank you for your kind assistance, very much appreciated. I look forward to purchasing more lights from you shortly :)
 

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Is a battery sleeve included with the Prime C1 Pro, to prevent rattling of a CR123A or 16340 battery?
 
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