I'm a bit of a zl fanboy but I'm unpleasantly surprised that the latest 18650 only puts out 660…regret the preorder. Seems sadly not up to date?
thank you very much for the Opple 3 tint info of -0.0019 on M1 for the SC65c N
they have different beam profiles and different tintGreat shots, I'm gonna skip this SC65, as it seems my Bob McBob SC64 LE w 519a suits my needs, what a great light.
thank you!OkestEngineer said:Update: some more measurements
See my post above - I'd go with those numbers as it was more effort on my part to be consistent and at 1 meter. How do you calculate the cd/lm and resulting lumens?thank you very much for the Opple 3 tint info of -0.0019 on M1 for the SC65c N
could you please also share the Opple 3 tint on M1 for the other 3 lights?
they have different beam profiles and different tint
the UnOfficial 64 w 519a is more floody, the 65 is more throwy and has tint below BBL
here is some lumen and candela data thanks to kerplunk, I calculated the cd/lm, and throw. tint from my own Opple 3 readings, except the tint for the 65 is thanks to OkestEngineer
SC64c LE w 519a 4500K: 757 lumens, 4709 candela, cd/lm 6, throw 137 meters, tint duv +0.0012
SC65c Hi: 682 lumens, 8785 candela, cd/lm 13, throw 187 meters, tint duv -0.0019
for reference:
HDS w sw45k: 200 lumens, 3000 candela, cd/lm 15, throw 110 meters, tint duv -0.0062
to get candela per lumen, I divided candela by lumens, numbers from kerplunk, since your data does not include lumensHow do you calculate the cd/lm
I agree with all your points! And, I kinda lumped in the OP3 versus OP4 into my data - looking at the numbers, they aren't too far off each other but the DUV is wonky. Given that its a calculation, they should be able to correct the LM4 measurements maybe.to get candela per lumen, I divided candela by lumens, numbers from kerplunk, since your data does not include lumens
to get throw, I multiply candela by 4 (your candela values are slightly different than from kerplunk), and then take the square root to arrive at meters of throw
for tint duv I use Opple 3 data (varies by output, I like to use your M1 data), I also have Opple 3 that I used for some of the other tint duv numbers.. (tint duv also varies between LEDs.. Ive recently measured two LH351d, one was +0.0040, the other was +0.0024, when both lights were set to about 25 lumens on my meter)
imo Opple 4 duv data is a waste of time.. it consistently reads higher by about 0.0030, than Opple 3, and just creates information overload
My overall conclusions are that the SC65 has better tint and CRI, and throws almost as well as the SC64w Hi
And compared to a modified SC64w LE with dedomed 519a, the SC65c Hi throws 25% farther.
In all cases, for people debating the options, imo the SC65c Hi is a Recommended Buy IF High CRI and most throw, are the primary criteria. Also, the SC65c Hi Driver is claimed by Zebra, to be more efficient than the SC64 driver. (no actual numbers yet)
for people who only compare lumens, I think that will always lead you away from High CRI, and will take you towards tint above the BBL.. imo lumens is not the best way to compare light quality.
that is comparing both at their respective maximum lumens which are very different, but how do they compare at the same lumen level? Which one has more intensity?the SC64w Hi has 16% more throw than the SC65
The CD/LM is still higher with the 65c HI, so at the same lumen level, the 65c HI will have more intensity.that is comparing both at their respective maximum lumens which are very different, but how do they compare at the same lumen level? Which one has more intensity?
SC65c Hi has 21% higher candela per lumen than SC64w Hi, with both lights at maximum output.Which one has more intensity?
My testing was with the same battery, full charge. No measurements afterwards, etc. And, numbers were recorded after first burst.So wonderful to view these observations!
Is this testing being performed with the same 100% charged battery and at what time frame from when first activated? How much battery resting after fully charged?
These numbers are recorded in the first burst of activation?
Reading the comments about comparing maximum values and the new ZL not being 'enough' makes me laugh because the screamers are going to get throttled from heat soon enough.
If this new LED gets hot sooner at a given output because of higher CRI with good red rendering, then that is an acceptable compromise for some of us.
Curious to see anyone comparing the lumens sustained over extended time between the SC65 719a and previous '1000'+ lumens models.