Modern. 380 rounds vs 9mm

[orbital]

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Good overall video
I find this guy believable and honest. He can land pistol shots from a distance, incredibly well.

 

[Deleted member 786475]

I never understood the purpose of .380, until one person explained it.

He said 9mm performance is always going to be superior, .380 by design can't compare.

.380 benefits are size and concealment. A compact alternative to 25acp .32, or other mouse calibers.

 

[raggie33]

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Good overall video
I find this guy believable and honest. He can land pistol shots from a distance, incredibly well.

Im pretty hehe likes the bodyguard 2.0 I watch a.. his videos

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

I never understood the purpose of .380, until one person explained it.

He said 9mm performance is always going to be superior, .380 by design can't compare.

.380 benefits are size and concealment. A compact alternative to 25acp .32, or other mouse calibers.

The absolute best-case self-defense scenario is when brandishing a firearm is enough of a deterrent to end the threat. I've read this action alone is suffecient over 80 percent of the time.

When a firearm is displayed, most criminal b a s tards are not going to stick around long enough to discern the caliber. :aaa:

 

[SCEMan]

The absolute best-case self-defense scenario is when brandishing a firearm is enough of a deterrent to end the threat. I've read this action alone is suffecient over 80 percent of the time.

When a firearm is displayed, most criminal b a s tards are not going to stick around long enough to discern the caliber. :aaa:

My philosophy has always been:
Try to avoid, de-escalate or remove yourself from the situation.
If I have to pull my gun I intend to use it.
Drawing is a last resort, and it means somebody is going to get shot.

 

[aznsx]

9, .25, .32, .380.

I currently own and have carried all the above+. They all have their place / application. I have more than one priority, and different criteria to meet. The only constant is that if I'm wearing pants, I'm carrying one of them. No one will ever know which (hopefully).

In my initial carry days, concealability was everything (and still is for me to a lesser extent today). I carried an original AMT Backup .380. It had its pros and cons, but was perfect in its intended role / application. You can ask many LEOs from back in that time.

For a good (and safer) concealable DAO .380, take a look at the NAA Guardian .380. It's all steel though, so it's a little boat anchor. Think of it as a .380 version of a Seecamp .32. I have experience with one, but don't own one. I do own the original .32 version (which is still in production). Concealable - oh yeah.

A good pickup truck will always carry more weight than my Civic (duh). I've never owned a pickup truck:-)

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

My philosophy has always been:
Try to avoid, de-escalate or remove yourself from the situation.

No wiggle room?

If I have to pull my gun I intend to use it.
Drawing is a last resort, and it means somebody is going to get shot.

 

[aznsx]

No wiggle room?

There's always a place for wiggle room, and situation-dependent progressive escalation. Assess the situation, be quick, and be flexible...and trust me; when push comes to shove, no one with a brain wants to be shot with a .25ACP;-)

 

[raggie33]

I plan to first avoid bad guys then if encounter one to talk calmly , if that don't work I'll try to flee if that don't work use hand to hand if that don't work then we'll wanna be prepared

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

....if that don't work I'll try to flee....

My first martial arts instructer was Sensei Steve Armstrong. It was 50 years ago, but I still remember him teaching: "When confronted with violence you owe it to your parents, famly, and friends to run away as fast as you can, but if you're unable to run, fight to win!"

I was amazed that such a man instructed his students to run from a fight -

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[raggie33]

I was into judo had to be i am small lol even women are bigger then me here lol

 

[aznsx]

My first martial arts instructer was Sensei Steve Armstrong. It was 50 years ago, but I still remember him teaching: "When confronted with violence you owe it to your parents, famly, and friends to run away as fast as you can, but if you're unable to run, fight to win!"

I was amazed that such a man instructed his students to run from a fight -

IN MEMORIAM - Steven Harry Armstrong

IN MEMORIAM Steven Harry Armstrong 1931-2006 Steve Armstrong was born in Guymon, Oklahoma, September 22, 1931. He began studying Karate at...

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I don't 'fight', and never have. When everyone else was learning to fight, I think I just kept on learning to shoot better;-)

That said, it's still true that 'discretion is the better part of valor', and always has been.

 

[orbital]

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[alpg88]

.380 did come a long way. it is very close to 9mm with some loads now. But it still not the great when used against intoxicated people. those guys on pcp feel no pain, you need instastop, they have no fear, can not be reasoned with. One of those guys once cut his guts out and was throwing them at police. true stroy. it was on the news a decade ago or so, the one that made news. I personally carry either .357, lcrx, or glock 36 .45acp.

 

[raggie33]

Knee cap shot?

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

I don't 'fight', and never have. When everyone else was learning to fight, I think I just kept on learning to shoot better;-)

Not everyone that practices martial arts does so to learn how to fight. Many practice their art to learn how not to fight.

That said, it's still true that 'discretion is the better part of valor', and always has been.

Agreeded.

 

[raggie33]

I hate to fight but I also won't be a victim I ignore idiots words can't hurt me

 

[alpg88]

I figured with all what comes after a defense shooting, (legal issues, expense, possible loss of work...) you really need something very serious to open fire, really really life threatening, so you might as well have real tools, cuz it may be your last chance. 380 and smaller are great for a range, but you never know what situation you'll encounter, you might have to shoot thru your own car glass, or god knows what else.

 

[alpg88]

Knee cap shot?

Bad idea from every angle, legal and defensive. not touching legal side, but what if you miss? second shot is even less accurate, you need time to reacquire target, and if he moves ( and he will be moving, cuz if he is not , you should not shoot, DA would love to use this against you) even longer.

 

[aznsx]

I figured with all what comes after a defense shooting, (legal issues, expense, possible loss of work...) you really need something very serious to open fire, really really life threatening, so you might as well have real tools, cuz it may be your last chance. 380 and smaller are great for a range, but you never know what situation you'll encounter, you might have to shoot thru your own car glass, or god knows what else.

I say carry the biggest, baddest thing you practically can and want to, and that you're proficient with. That's what I recommend. There's not one perfect, universal answer. I agree that if you ever have to use it, you're in for a bad day/night, and probably well beyond, so that's a last resort. It's not all about ballistics though. If it was, people wouldn't have been discussing this my whole life.