i think alcohol should be banned

[raggie33]

ask any cop hw many of there calls involve alcohol

 

[bluflaam777]

Didn't they already try that. No one stopped and just made criminals rich.

I do think that a breathalyzer in the car is a good idea. Now that we have Ai/computers, cameras etc. The driver has to be sober.
While there's always hacks, it would be much more difficult in newer cars.

 

[raggie33]

i dont miss drinking never drink and make good decisions. sure it was fun in my 20s but as a old dude its lame. its weird how many on my street drink most are my parents age here

 

[bluflaam777]

Having a drink is fine. A once a year drunk during a celebration can be fun. Even a daily glass of wine can be good.

Getting drunk all week isn't good. Binge drinking is never good even if you are young.

I like to have my adult beverage especially now that I have the time to enjoy it. Too old to get smashed tho'. I don't recover like I did when I was younger.
But I'm not gonna make others slow down just because I have. BUT don't drive drunk

 

[dc38]

Personally, I detest most forms of mind/mood altering substances, because (speaking from my own perspective), people tend to lash out at something that OTHER people should be accountable for. People not sharing a certain standard (particularly when that other standard drags YOU into trouble) is extremely triggering for me. But as I get older, I learn that if someone is hell bent on destroying themselves, (and I'm not talking about making enemies due to high standards), they will do so regardless of what other people do to pull them out of it. And to that, what I now respond with will sound heartless, but "fine, let their hearts be hardened of their own volition, but if there be a way for it not to be, let me be a part of that."

You can choose to drink the wine, but is it the good wine?

 

[Kestrel]

Ban crime as well.

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

You can choose to drink the wine, but is it the good wine?

Jeremiah was a bullfrog
Was a good friend of mine
I never understood a single word he said
But I helped him a-drink his wine
And he always had some mighty fine wine

 

[Brokenarrow]

Best thing I ever did was hang it up 14 years and 8 months ago............

 

[pnwoutdoors]

alcohol should be banned

Dictatorial regimes attempt "bans". They're great fans of such things.

But the history of success of such efforts are quite bad. Particularly in the U.S., attempting to tell people what they shall and shall not be allowed to do with their own lives, their own money and their own time hasn't ended well.

The U.S. isn't a dictatorial "banana republic" regime. Or, at least it tries to not be one. Nor is it allowed to be (via the constitutional guardrails.)

The correct, lawfully justifiable move: criminalize violent threats upon others (the "under the influence" laws). Leaves non-violent people alone; goes after just those doing the violent inflicting upon others. It's justifiable, reasonable and fair.

The history of the "Prohibition" years in the U.S. is a laughable object example of the failure of dictatorial approaches that miss the mark. And the revolving-door approach to handling multiple-DUI perps also is a laughable example of how to not accomplish the results desired.

However one might feel about alcoholic drinking, thinking going after others isn't an effective method for eliminating its effects.

IMO, what should be done: DUI of vehicles (or acts in public) that puts others at deadly risk earns forfeiture of vehicle, a stiff fine, required 'detox' program; second DUI earns all of that plus erasure of driving privilege for all time, at least a year incarceration. Others aren't gone after, with such an approach; those committing violent threats (via their intoxicating ways) are; and the means of them being in a position to violate others in such ways is nearly completely eliminated.

 

[jtr1962]

IMO, what should be done: DUI of vehicles (or acts in public) that puts others at deadly risk earns forfeiture of vehicle, a stiff fine, required 'detox' program; second DUI earns all of that plus erasure of driving privilege for all time, at least a year incarceration. Others aren't gone after, with such an approach; those committing violent threats (via their intoxicating ways) are; and the means of them being in a position to violate others in such ways is nearly completely eliminated.

IMO the first instance of DUI should be forfeiture of the vehicle and lifetime revocation of driving privileges regardless of whether or not you put others at risk. The same should also be the minimum penalty if you're the cause of a collision which kills or seriously injures anyone regardless of whether you're sober or not. Get bad drivers off the roads for good by taking away their vehicles.

 

[jtr1962]

Didn't they already try that. No one stopped and just made criminals rich.

The same reasoning is why I feel drugs should be legalized. All bans do is enable criminals to meet the demand and get rich in the process.

I do think that a breathalyzer in the car is a good idea. Now that we have Ai/computers, cameras etc. The driver has to be sober.
While there's always hacks, it would be much more difficult in newer cars.

This is an excellent idea. If you're not sober the vehicle isn't going anywhere.

 

[dc38]

The best preventative measure is to actively outreach to affected individuals. If such individuals are already in a ****ed up place and mindset in life, why is the expectation that they will seek help instead of a vice?

The issue is spiritual illness, which manifests as mental illness, which translates to physical illness. Until the core issue is addressed, treatments and cures don't "trickle up". They merely stablize the physical and hope that the person can heal spiritually on his or her own. The terrifying realization for a lost individual is that inspiration only comes from without, motivation comes from within, and life only moves forward when the two meet.

 

[alpg88]

Banning will only make "forbidden fruit" sweeter, education if anything will help, but it has to be real world education, like showing tough to watch examples to kids, no sugarcoating, none of that "we can not show it to kids" or "just say no" bs will work, you have to show them everything as early as possible. as graphic as possible, this is the only way to leave a lasting memory. you can not stop adults, but at least future generations may be saved, however expect huge pushback from alcohol companies. and politicians they have in their pockets

 

[dc38]

Banning will only make "forbidden fruit" sweeter, education if anything will help, but it has to be real world education, like showing tough to watch examples to kids, no sugarcoating, none of that "we can not show it to kids" or "just say no" bs will work, you have to show them everything as early as possible. as graphic as possible, this is the only way to leave a lasting memory. you can not stop adults, but at least future generations may be saved, however expect huge pushback from alcohol companies. and politicians they have in their pockets

Remember when DARE was a thing?

 

[alpg88]

Yea, it was a total failure, giving out stickers, and just telling them in a classroom "it is bad" did absolutely nothing. Should have taken kids to skid row, or kensington ave, or many other places like that, let them see those addicts in real life, let them see how they suffer ,die, get murdered/raped... let them smell the death, see blood on streets, see people their parents' age that look older than their grandparents, then take them to a morgue, let them see autopsy of an addict, let them see how internals change with drug use/ infections, also let them understand that it is their future if they chose to do drugs.

 

[pnwoutdoors]

IMO the first instance of DUI should be forfeiture of the vehicle and lifetime revocation of driving privileges regardless of whether or not you put others at risk. The same should also be the minimum penalty if you're the cause of a collision which kills or seriously injures anyone regardless of whether you're sober or not. Get bad drivers off the roads for good by taking away their vehicles.

That's my view, as well. Though, I doubt it'd pass as a law agreed-upon by most of the nation's citizens. Would like to see this sort of thing be a conditional requirement for awarding of federal funds on roadway construction/maintenance (ie, on the nation's federal interstate highways themselves). But given Article 1 Section 8 of Congress's authorities, it's more-appropriately the states' responsibilities to hold people accountable for behaviors committed in their states.

Here's the thing, though, regarding operating a motor vehicle while impaired: it IS putting lives at risk, everyone nearby. About the only way to avoid doing so is to not be on public roadways while impaired. (Like on one's own 500ac spread, on one's own dirt roads. No issues, if that person wishes to be impaired and mow down his/her own children as a result.)

 

[Gene43]

I have no idea if this is true or not. I can't remember where I read it years ago, but in some countries if you're picked up for DUI or PI, the authorities get your wife and make her walk to jail with you and then spend the night in jail with you. Sounds like fun times!

I put it down over 30 years ago. I was definitely "going down slow". Best decision I ever made.

 

[orbital]

I have no idea if this is true or not. I can't remember where I read it years ago, but in some countries if you're picked up for DUI or PI, the authorities get your wife and make her walk to jail with you and then spend the night in jail with you. Sounds like fun times!

I put it down over 30 years ago. I was definitely "going down slow". Best decision I ever made.

+

24 years this May for me...something like 1248 weeks

Not drinking has paid for several of my hobbies

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

I've never woken up and wished I'd drank more the night before.

 

[bluflaam777]

Ban crime as well.

I'm writing my Congressperson right now