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Thereputics early on were what doctors and scientists were really hoping to discover. And some were in clinical trials as early as March. Most got very little press like nicotine patches. My favorite was the active ingredient in Pepcid AC. So I did some follow up on where that one has gone and there are some that swear it works (on some) and other trials that showed it does not. There was one article that said the active ingredient causes covid-19. I had to pause and reread the headline……causes covid 19. But isn't there a virus involved? I pondered.

Wash your hands, stay 6' apart, mask up if you can't and enjoy life as much as you can. They made it through the Spanish flu, some reading here made it through the Hong Kong flu (1969) and we'll make it through this pandemic. Is there an official name for it yet? I know it has several names but is there one official okee dokee one yet?
 
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Does anyone think a vaccine is even a viable solution? I just can't see it happening so quickly and effectively. And I figure a lot of people would be afraid to try it anyway. Not sure I want to get my 'Sputnik V' shot.

My son started kindergarten yesterday. I feel bad for the kids, especially those just starting their school "career". It's hard enough already. To start with masks, cleaning, distancing, etc. is unfortunate. I don't see it lasting very long though...we'll see.
 
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My son started kindergarten yesterday. I feel bad for the kids, especially those just starting their school "career". It's hard enough already. To start with masks, cleaning, distancing, etc. is unfortunate. I don't see it lasting very long though...we'll see.
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Eh, my sense is that this is the new normal for at least the rest of the year.

Local school district is starting up next week 100% remote instruction. There is a tentative plan to resume on-site instruction in September which is widely expected to mean a resumption of remote instruction by October as school employees start testing positive for COVID-19 and individual campuses are shut for quarantine / decontamination periods. Curiously - despite all the anxiousness for schools to reopen - close to ⅔ of parents have registered for remote instruction.

On the latter bit I do wonder what this will do to the modern trend of helicopter parenting. Will parents hover over their breadsnappers even more, or will the strain of supervising Junior literally all the time result in less supervision (and hopefully the earlier development of responsibility)? I say this having grown up as a latchkey kid who managed not to poison myself, burn down the house, nor suffer any serious maladies despite being left to my own devices for 2-4 hours a day in the afternoon - something that's generally not allowed any more.
 
Grew up as a latch-key kid myself. Never had a single major or minor issue.

As far as schools re-opening, if you want to see a perfect example of both human stupidity and denial; look no further. As far as how long the virus is going to last, I'd say we can realistically write off not just the rest of this year, but all of 2021 too. I say that because of examples of the following:

Giant house-party over the weekend in Brooklyn. Cops estimated about 1500 people (not a typo). Zero social distancing, no masks to be found. This is the type of moronic nonsense our lovely younger generation likes to engage in.... in the most infected city on the entire planet.

Young as Hell. Can't even sacrifice one Summer of their entire lives to NOT party, get drunk, get wasted, vomit on themselves, while trying to hook up with random strangers. STDs, Covid-19, heck you could tell them half of all the drinks will be spiked with Anthrax; they'll still show up to the Bar.

End of this year? the Optimist in me will be surprised when it turns 2022 and the virus has burned itself out. Speaking of the New Year, anyone care to take bets on just how many partiers will show up to Times Square on Dec. 31st?
 
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Eh, my sense is that this is the new normal for at least the rest of the year.

Local school district is starting up next week 100% remote instruction. There is a tentative plan to resume on-site instruction in September which is widely expected to mean a resumption of remote instruction by October as school employees start testing positive for COVID-19 and individual campuses are shut for quarantine / decontamination periods. Curiously - despite all the anxiousness for schools to reopen - close to ⅔ of parents have registered for remote instruction.

On the latter bit I do wonder what this will do to the modern trend of helicopter parenting. Will parents hover over their breadsnappers even more, or will the strain of supervising Junior literally all the time result in less supervision (and hopefully the earlier development of responsibility)? I say this having grown up as a latchkey kid who managed not to poison myself, burn down the house, nor suffer any serious maladies despite being left to my own devices for 2-4 hours a day in the afternoon - something that's generally not allowed any more.
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I should have clarified. "I don't see it lasting very long" as in...a bunch of people will get sick or worse and things will get shut down. I give it about 2 weeks.
 
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Local school district is starting up next week 100% remote instruction. There is a tentative plan to resume on-site instruction in September which is widely expected to mean a resumption of remote instruction by October as school employees start testing positive for COVID-19 and individual campuses are shut for quarantine / decontamination periods. Curiously - despite all the anxiousness for schools to reopen - close to ⅔ of parents have registered for remote instruction.

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Here in New Jersey, the Governor demanded at least partial on site teaching. He has recently backed off on that.
AT least four large school districts stated that they won't be ready in September, and have to start fully remote.
At least one district will go ONLY remote, stating that most of the districts teachers refuse to enter the building to do on site teaching.

A recent survey in our area reported that 81% of parents are ready/planning to send their kids to school. That number surprised me. It must be in part to the fact that the numbers in NJ have done well. IMO that many kids in closed class-rooms, will spike the numbers.

idleprocess, I agree with you in that I suspect that those schools which open up, will end up closing after a few weeks.

OTOH, while speaking with a Physician who has treated hundreds of Covid patients, he thinks the schools should open up for in person teaching. Yeah, some people will get sick, really sick, generally not kids, and that he didn't have a patient that surprised him when it went bad. His perspective is that those who went bad, including kids, had underlying issues. Yes there will be outliers, but there are always outliers.

Regarding taking a vaccine? No way!!! Not for at least three years after it has been introduced. Long term affects, etc.

Protect the elderly, and those at risk, and let the virus run its course.

I can't say that I fully disagree, but again OTOH, the hospitals were nearly over-run with the younger generation spikes.
 
Poppy said:
A recent survey in our area reported that 81% of parents are ready/planning to send their kids to school. That number surprised me. It must be in part to the fact that the numbers in NJ have done well. IMO that many kids in closed class-rooms, will spike the numbers.
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Reality of the economy is that a function of schools is to provide daycare for working parents.

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idleprocess, I agree with you in that I suspect that those schools which open up, will end up closing after a few weeks.

OTOH, while speaking with a Physician who has treated hundreds of Covid patients, he thinks the schools should open up for in person teaching. Yeah, some people will get sick, really sick, generally not kids, and that he didn't have a patient that surprised him when it went bad. His perspective is that those who went bad, including kids, had underlying issues. Yes there will be outliers, but there are always outliers.
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Children generally don't get sick from COVID-19, but the evidence is mounting that they're efficient vectors for it like most other infectious diseases.

Teachers aren't as easily replaced as, say, cashiers. Even deferring teaching certifications, local districts are having a hell of a time filling open positions - something that will only get worse as campuses shut down because of infections among staff and the profession fights the persistent headwinds of low pay, public contempt, and generally being set up to fail. Districts are well aware of this, thus their reluctance to fully re-open in spite of public pressure.

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I can't say that I fully disagree, but again OTOH, the hospitals were nearly over-run with the younger generation spikes.
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In my county case frequency peaks in the 20-29 demo, but they've also registered zero deaths - that bracket is firmly anchored by the 80+ demo with 70-79 and 60-69 barely trailing. Intensity of treatment data is not available by age range, however I suspect that dying of the disease has a strong correlation to time in the hospital.

Since COVID really took off around March the 20-something set has taken a beating in the media. Some of it is deserved - ala college student spring break shenanigans - but I also suspect that much of it is the grim economic reality that younger people are generally on thinner economic margins and tend not have the flexibility in employment that older workers enjoy thus cannot work from home or otherwise reduce their exposure to the disease.
 
herman cains ghost is freaking me out. he tweets way more now then before he left this planet
 
Off topic but topical- CY- I will ask you to remove the first part of your sig line. CPF has policies in place regarding sales, including having a dedicated subforum and the need for a supporter subscription. Thank you.
 
Went for an annual checkup today and saw a chart on the wall showing typical symptoms of covid, flu and head cold. I thought it was pretty handy. Hope you do too.

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But……is it really a cold or is it allergies?

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Here's another handy chart.

Oh, and got a clean bill of health.
 
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Yup, hopefully each time the X pollens or ragweed or mold counts cause the "uh oh" or your kid has the sniffles these charts can help reduce anxiety a little.

I started seeing a heart doctor a few years ago due to irregular heartbeat that scared the crap out of me and after trying a medication (daily pill #3) in 6 months he sent me on my way and says come back in a year. This was year two. So far so good.
Daily pill #4 is a claretin lately. Hence the allergy versus cold chart. I had several "uh oh's" this year. Knock on wood none have been the evil beer bug.
 
has anyone else been covering there entire body in mustard before they go out? im getinng weird looks when i do this
 
Thanks fixer for the chart. I took a picture of it to show wife later.

Our (actually she is) capable boss ordered masks with our logo on the front of it. It is decent: adjustable ear tension, almost pointy protuberant area where the nose goes, cotton inside and poly/spandex outside (hopefully electrostatic effect). Inside the clear wrap containing the mask was a card making it clear that the mask is not PPE. "The decision to use this mask is solely your own" underlined at the bottom of the card. Then a sewn-in tag inside the mask, describing it to be China made, with washing instructions and materials used; "WARNING: Not intended to prevent or eliminate exposure to any disease, infection, or communicable disease". Strange Days Indeed.
 
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