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This conversation sounds like the guy who gets told by someone he's attracted to, "You're a great guy but I don't want to go out with you". And the guy thinks to himself "She thinks I'm a great guy! I'll win her over yet." Seems like each of us keeps saying our own beliefs while others refute our comments, yet we keep saying certain masks will keep you safe.

Harley Head, I've been washing my hands about 7-10 times a day at work for many, many years. Speaking strongly to students who sneeze, cough or spray as much as they say. Not accepting birthday cupcakes from a kid who's been handing them out while licking her fingers when icing gets on them... Adults can be so spreading too, though. The idea is to get some, but not loads of their stuff that keeps our immune system working hopefully in balance.
 
California is closing a lot of the beaches this Labor Day weekend to limit the spread of corona virus. Unfortunately, we're supposed to have record breaking heat again that could cause rolling blackouts, so those going to the beach will be stuck at home running their a.c. contributing to more blackouts. I hope the people trying to camp in this heat don't start any more forest fires. If your local beach is open, enjoy it. Not everyone is that fortunate. Our church is finally allowed to worship indoors this Sunday. Thank God. It's supposed to be 112 degrees. I hope we don't get a spike in corona virus cases Labor Day weekend that shuts everything down again.
 
So things have opened up again around here. We had record numbers in the channel under the bridge and out in the bay for a Trump boat parade this past weekend. It was quite the spectacle! My favorite watering hole is back open with certain restrictions imposed by the state - masks unless you're seated. Yes, I know it seems (is?) stupid. But if the bar doesn't enforce it, they can be shut down (they are told). Time will tell if the Health Dept will be coming around and actually checking. Meanwhile though... the regulars are so grateful to be back that they are more than happy to comply and more than happy to help enforce. Only one or two people have been jerks. Everyone has been awesome. And THAT is why it's my favorite watering hole - the regular patrons. We want to keep our place open. And seriously - stay in your seat, take your mask off, enjoy!! It's kinda no big deal!
 
Poppy said:
I'm curious... are the seats spaced 6 feet apart?
Did they limit capacity?
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Yes, only 6 chairs at the bar.. all spaced. Half capacity, 22 people. All strictly enforced. They have outdoor seating though and that is not limited.
 
Not long ago I was in a doctors office and noticed a sign that said "please don't move the chairs as we have spaced them 6 feet apart". Trouble was the chairs were all touching each other. Having an inkpen in my pocket I added a tick mark to the 6' part so it now says 6".
The doctor reduced patient appointments so the place is no longer like a crowded restaraunt on 2 for 1 night.

My state still has around 1000 new cases a day, but percent positive is back down to where the crack downs will be relaxed soon. Some schools reopened so we'll see how that plays out in a couple of weeks. Meanwhile stores have a person outside (that Mrs Fixer calls the mask police) to make sure people have an opportunity to have a face cover when entering if they don't have one. Once you're in there's an honor system. Generally the mask nazi is as easily spotted in my area as Sasquatch. It's a live and let live thing and on the rare chance someone does raise a ruckus they are quickly shushed by mask wearing folks who don't want drama around.
 
bykfixer said:
It's a live and let live thing...
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That's really the crux of it... that those insisting they won't wear a mask don't seem to get (which has already been described and complained about satisfactorily in this thread, and the CPFers get it):
Wear a mask, and let me live.
 
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France hitting record number of daily NEW cases (since beginning of pandemic) :
(Source : https://dashboard.covid19.data.gouv.fr/ )


[TABLE="class: grid, width: 810"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]DATE[/TD]
[TD]
TOTAL CUMUL.
NB. of CASES.
(+ DAILY Nb)
​
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]TOTAL CUMUL.
NB. of Deceased.
(+ DAILY Nb)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Comments[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]01/09/2020[/TD]
[TD]286007 (+ 4982)[/TD]
[TD]30661 (+ 26)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]02/09/2020[/TD]
[TD]293024 (+ 7017)[/TD]
[TD]30686 (+ 25)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03/09/2020[/TD]
[TD]300181 (+ 7157)[/TD]
[TD]30706 (+ 20)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]04/09/2020[/TD]
[TD]309156 (+ 8975)[/TD]
[TD]30724 (+ 18)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] **** Former Former RECORD Nb of NEW CASES ****[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]04/09/2020[/TD]
[TD]309156 (+ 8975)[/TD]
[TD]30686 (- 20)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] ( Nb of deceased changed ! )[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]05/09/2020[/TD]
[TD]317706 (+ 8550)[/TD]
[TD]30698 (+ 12)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]06/09/2020 (Dim.)[/TD]
[TD]324777 (+ 7071)[/TD]
[TD]30701 (+ 03)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]07/09/2020[/TD]
[TD]328980 (+ 4203)[/TD]
[TD]30726 (+ 25)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]08/09/2020[/TD]
[TD]335524 (+ 6544)[/TD]
[TD]30764 (+ 38)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]09/09/2020[/TD]
[TD]344101 (+ 8577)[/TD]
[TD]30794 (+ 30)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] **** 5th highest Nb of new cases ****[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10/09/2020[/TD]
[TD]353944 (+ 9843)[/TD]
[TD]30813 (+ 19)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]**** Former RECORD Nb of NEW CASES ****[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11/09/2020[/TD]
[TD]363350 (+ 9406)[/TD]
[TD]30893 (+ 80)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]**** 3rd highest Nb of new cases ****[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12/08/2020[/TD]
[TD]373911 (+ 10561)[/TD]
[TD]30910 (+ 17)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]**** NEW RECORD Nb of NEW CASES ****[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13/08/2020 (Dim.)[/TD]
[TD]381094 (+ 7183)[/TD]
[TD]30916 (+ 06)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14/08/2020[/TD]
[TD]387252 (+ 6158)[/TD]
[TD]30950 (+ 34)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15/08/2020[/TD]
[TD]395104 (+ 7852)
[/TD]
[TD]30999 (+ 49)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]...[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

(NB: Previous "record" was on 31st of March with +7578 new cases)


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Also, what does a french second wave look like ? : (bottom left)

dashboard-2020-09-09-a04.jpg


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Maybe France’s increase is due to holidays? Also I’ve been watching Le tour and see bystanders without masks. And the director tested positive. When they end up in Paris, then it will really spread just in time for the French Open with fans. It seems like some people are trying too hard pretending it’s not as serious as it is.
 
ledbetter said:
Maybe France’s increase is due to holidays? Also I’ve been watching Le tour and see bystanders without masks. And the director tested positive. When they end up in Paris, then it will really spread just in time for the French Open with fans. It seems like some people are trying too hard pretending it’s not as serious as it is.
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You can cure COVID-19 most of the time (apparently) but you still can't cure Stupid.
 
Greta said:
So things have opened up again around here. We had record numbers in the channel under the bridge and out in the bay for a Trump boat parade this past weekend. It was quite the spectacle! My favorite watering hole is back open with certain restrictions imposed by the state - masks unless you're seated. Yes, I know it seems (is?) stupid. But if the bar doesn't enforce it, they can be shut down (they are told). Time will tell if the Health Dept will be coming around and actually checking. Meanwhile though... the regulars are so grateful to be back that they are more than happy to comply and more than happy to help enforce. Only one or two people have been jerks. Everyone has been awesome. And THAT is why it's my favorite watering hole - the regular patrons. We want to keep our place open. And seriously - stay in your seat, take your mask off, enjoy!! It's kinda no big deal!
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Greta,
There's so much that you say here that reminds me of a local bar, with the attitude of "Cheers" the TV show.

There's a dive bar on Greenwood Lake NY that I really enjoyed going to for a couple of years during the summer, that unfortunately has closed and is unlikely to re-open. I imagine, they too, the patrons, would keep their distance and follow the rules, and otherwise continue to carry on. It had two sets of double doors on one wall that were always open to the deck, and another on another wall. It was almost like outdoors in the shade.

I'm an ELK, and was told that the members have been meeting Friday nights in our covered, out-door picnic area, and that it is so strange to see members, who would normally be sitting shoulder to shoulder, laughing, and back slapping, instead, sitting one or maybe two to each of 15 picnic tables, which are spread out. I haven't been there since March, except once with a friend to go kayaking (the ELKS lodge has 200 foot frontage on a slow moving river that opens into a nice lake.)

This virus has really taken a toll around here. My daughter told me yesterday that the NY Hilton in midtown Manhattan closed.
Restaurants are now allowed 25% capacity indoor seating, and many or most have some out door seating. When winter comes, if the indoor capacity isn't increased, how will they survive?

But Greta, back to you, I am really happy for you that you and your cohorts are able to gather once again, and enjoys each other's company, while still being covid safe.
Stay well.
Poppy
 
Chauncey Gardiner said:
Different strokes for different folks. Right, chillinn?
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That doesn't fly. Not wearing a mask is one step short of coughing or sneezing on someone, another step short of spitting on them instead. Well, I guess if some people think the virus is a hoax, they can be excused, right? No. Not really. I prefer others at least three steps away from spitting on me. Any closer, and I get paranoid thinking I might be spit on.
 
Poppy said:
Greta,
... When winter comes, if the indoor capacity isn't increased, how will they survive?

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If they are like some of my clients they are getting deferrals from their lenders. If that fails or runs out, barring subsidies from gov't, they file bankruptcy.

Gov't is going to have to prop up some industries or they will completely go under as an entire class of business, types which the larger economy relies on under normal circumstances.

Particular client I mention has revenues that are down ~90%. His break even point, like most, is much much higher than that. He estimates that business won't reach break even till fall 2021.
 
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chillinn said:
That doesn't fly. Not wearing a mask is one step short of coughing or sneezing on someone, another step short of spitting on them instead. Well, I guess if some people think the virus is a hoax, they can be excused, right? No. Not really. I prefer others at least three steps away from spitting on me. Any closer, and I get paranoid thinking I might be spit on.
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Yeah, I knew you wouldn't extend the sentiment to others when you posted it. Different strokes for you, but not for others. :rolleyes:
 
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