i love computers

[bluflaam777]

AI stuff.

AI chips

Definitely AI. Everyone is using it now more than ever. OS, MBs, GPUs. The amount of ram that can be used on a home-build is like 198gb or more. Pro/commercial versions of OS can handle 2TBs of ram. AI is what's usually using it.
Super comps are using thousands of TBs of ram. whoa!
Again, AI.

 

[orbital]

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I can remember going to Best Buy in early 2000's to get one of the two ATi X700 Pro graphics cards they had,,, it was hard to find.
Thought it was so neat to plug into this new technology PCI express

Now, it's all about the current PCI generation

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Right behind me is a new / unopened EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC Black Edition w/ iCX Cooler.
Factory sealed RMA replacement I bought off ebay.

good gpu at 352 bit,
but about 2/3 the memory bandwidth of a 5070Ti

 

[bluflaam777]

I miss fry's. I used to love building my own PC, but life happened and was pretty demanding. LOL. I built one that could handle Crysis without any issues (other than the actual game's coding/glitches)
I had an old super nintendo (early mid 90s - I forget now) and the original xbox at the time. Some games just work better on consoles. Then I got the xbox 360 for the house to muck around with. Kept the PC off limits to everyone else.

But gaming was pushing PC tech pretty hard and fast and it was going to cost a fortune I didn't have at the time to rebuild the PC. That's when I found that 18x at fry's. ...like 2010 ish or so? Seems like yesterday and seems like forever ago.

Your 1080Ti is a great card. I'd rock that any day. You can't compare it to modern GPUs tho', it just isn't fair. It's been what? 3 or 4 generations later that the 5070Ti came out and even it doesn't compare to its bigger brothers. BTW, I'm using a 3440x1440 monitor at 180Hz with no issues. Others are even adding another monitor of the same size but running them at 60Hz and are stable under all conditions.
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You'll be fine, but it's gonna be a choke on some of the latest tech. Your processor will have to take up the slack - which it shouldn't have any issues with the MB and good ram. It's always been this way, but the most recent tech has really synced the whole system to work very tightly together like never before. ehem, AI

btw, I like using bench/stress software for comparisons from baseline to the next upgrades or configurations/settings etc. But I don't take it too seriously. You can bench mediocre but game/run software really well. Or vise versa. Test in the top 5% but can't run the latest games at any frame rate above 60fpm or use 2 (or more) monitors at 180Hz without dragging the whole system into the dirt.
Or do CPU/GPU intensive tasks without coughing.

I say that to say this, the 5070Ti tests about 50% 'better' than the GTX, but is in real life about 2-3x faster/smoother when using it in real situations. Gaming, encoding, etc.
Don't take that wrong, I'd use your GPU all day long and not be concerned as long as the rest of the build uses the latest tech. Just don't get too caught up in the 'testing numbers'. Use it. It if does what you want it to do, then all is good. Who0p! Who0p!

I personally like being able to upgrade when the $$$ or time comes and not have to limit myself if I don't have to. Tech moves so fast with PCs. It comes in leaps and bounds AND starts and stops.
The manufacturers want to get as much of their R&D back from the lower rung gear that uses some of the latest tech and then dole out the big guns as things get sorted. They use the same basic technology for a couple of years as they develop the next gen bits and see where the market is strongest/weakest. Then, release the latest, greatest thing since SLI and impress everyone and make their trillions.

AI

 

[orbital]

I miss fry's. I used to love building my own PC, but life happened and was pretty demanding. LOL. I built one that could handle Crysis without any issues (other than the actual game's coding/glitches)
I had an old super nintendo (early mid 90s - I forget now) and the original xbox at the time. Some games just work better on consoles. Then I got the xbox 360 for the house to muck around with. Kept the PC off limits to everyone else.

But gaming was pushing PC tech pretty hard and fast and it was going to cost a fortune I didn't have at the time to rebuild the PC. That's when I found that 18x at fry's. ...like 2010 ish or so? Seems like yesterday and seems like forever ago.

Your 1080Ti is a great card. I'd rock that any day. You can't compare it to modern GPUs tho', it just isn't fair. It's been what? 3 or 4 generations later that the 5070Ti came out and even it doesn't compare to its bigger brothers. BTW, I'm using a 3440x1440 monitor at 180Hz with no issues. Others are even adding another monitor of the same size but running them at 60Hz and are stable under all conditions.
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You'll be fine, but it's gonna be a choke on some of the latest tech. Your processor will have to take up the slack - which it shouldn't have any issues with the MB and good ram. It's always been this way, but the most recent tech has really synced the whole system to work very tightly together like never before. ehem, AI

btw, I like using bench/stress software for comparisons from baseline to the next upgrades or configurations/settings etc. But I don't take it too seriously. You can bench mediocre but game/run software really well. Or vise versa. Test in the top 5% but can't run the latest games at any frame rate above 60fpm or use 2 (or more) monitors at 180Hz without dragging the whole system into the dirt.
Or do CPU/GPU intensive tasks without coughing.

I say that to say this, the 5070Ti tests about 50% 'better' than the GTX, but is in real life about 2-3x faster/smoother when using it in real situations. Gaming, encoding, etc.
Don't take that wrong, I'd use your GPU all day long and not be concerned as long as the rest of the build uses the latest tech. Just don't get too caught up in the 'testing numbers'. Use it. It if does what you want it to do, then all is good. Who0p! Who0p!

I personally like being able to upgrade when the $$$ or time comes and not have to limit myself if I don't have to. Tech moves so fast with PCs. It comes in leaps and bounds AND starts and stops.
The manufacturers want to get as much of their R&D back from the lower rung gear that uses some of the latest tech and then dole out the big guns as things get sorted. They use the same basic technology for a couple of years as they develop the next gen bits and see where the market is strongest/weakest. Then, release the latest, greatest thing since SLI and impress everyone and make their trillions.

AI

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Motherboards are the big bottleneck IMO and area most needed for advancements ,
so that's why I feel PCIe 5.0 and beyond narrows the gap.
How fast is the MB bus...>

M.2 drives are amazing, CPU & GPU are nearing 3nm (which in itself is nuts), RAM is using such low voltage.

The balancing act to get that all to work fast, without lockups is borderline alien tech, or literally :alien:

 

[bluflaam777]

It isn't so bad as it used to be. That's what I was referencing earlier about matching the tech of each part to each other. whether it's AI or just all the manufacturers working together better with the tech that's out there, they really do sync up a lot easier.
PCIe 5.0 is so fast! It really is a big jump forward.
I have two M2 drives but one is the last gen and is noticeably slower. Not wreck your day slow, but noticeable. I haven't done any test yet as I'm still working thru' tightening it all up. Making sure the software I use is configured correctly.

Windows 11 keeps trying to start AI stuff that I want to track. I don't mind if it actually works without me knowing it. But if I do notice it doing stuff in the background or coughing every time it starts or stops, that bugs me.

But once I figure it out with the apps/games that I use running so that they don't hiccup, I'll be happy. So far it seems OK. Just a couple of blips when I first installed it. Nothing serious just a couple of conflicts from legacy software --updates fixed it.

This is so much easier/faster than it used to be 20yrs ago. LOL

 

[bluflaam777]

I've always found ram timing a bit confusing. I know just enough to build a good system. But don't actually know how it's doing what it's doing and why.
This video helped me a little. Maybe other will find it helpful as well.

 

[bluflaam777]

Not to be confused with ARPAnet or any proto-net predecessors
But here's the history of the WWW as it went public.

History of the WWW by PEW Research Center

 

[orbital]

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How do you like your G.Skill RAM ^^^^

timings are confusing and don't do alot for overclocking.
If your Bios allows any RAM tuning, I'd only try lowering the CAS Latency to 31 (think you said it was 32) because DDR5 clock speeds are high but loooooose latency.

If 31 works w/o issue, try 30,,, if that has any hiccups, then back to 31.
That's overclock testing & that's how it works. Test till you find rock solid overclock.

I'm guessing you know this,, saying it for casual listener

typo edit:

 

[bluflaam777]

How do you like your G.Skill RAM ^^^^

Seems to be working out very well. Haven't tested anything yet. Just sorting things out one install at a time. Software seems to slow one aspect or another and I'm still trying to make it all work perfectly smooth.
Then once everything I use (or will foreseeably use) all work together, I'll start pushing for performance/speed.
I need for it all to be solid first.

But the RAM is doing its part smoothly. AI seems to be doing its part.

*Edit-grammar

 

[PaladinNO]

^On a parallel note, I'm looking to update the ram in my computer. It doesn't necessarily need it, but it's the weakest link in my set up at the moment.

But I have an OK system now that needs some memory. Which company makes good ram for gaming? OCable? I'm running intel core 9 that's using 800 series chipset.
Back in the day, Patriot was the go to. G-Skill was another good one. Are they still good? What others would you suggest?

I'm quite bummed I missed the closure (at least locally) of the DDR4 party. I have been looking at a 128 GB kit for the longest time, but now the prices have doubled and all availability have dropped to basically 0.
I have 64 GB in my current rig (10900K, Asus ROG Z490 Hero), and I fill that up in a week (I blame my 700 browser tabs, where I have set Firefox to keep all of them cached for convenience...).

For DDR5 (in my case, an AMD kit), I have set my eyes on a G.Skill kit (if I eventually do decide on doing my first all-AMD - and pure gaming - build).
For intel, I'd say Corsair, and something in the Vengeance range. I have been using Corsair Vengeance sticks since 2014 without a problem. Unless you do anything extreme, everywhere i look, I see 6000 MHz, CL30 as the recommended specs for the best value vs performance.

Yes, there are faster kits, and yes there are kits with lower latency, and yes it will give you - at least on paper - better performance. But you will be paying a premium for something you will not notice in real life during normal tasks.

 

[PaladinNO]

I like computers. I haven't been feeling the urge to put money into my computer for a while.

I'm running a 3950x with 64 gigs of ddr4, 2x gtx 1070's.

I did buy a 9950x on prime day, so at some point I'm going to need to buy a motherboard and some ddr5.

After that, I'll have to figure out what modern day GPU is faster than 2x 1070's.

Oof, I feel that one, but in another area...

I bought an Asrock RX 7900 XTX OC White earlier this year, where the box is sitting nicely next to my Gigabyte RTX 3080 Xtreme box...except the Asrock box is still sealed. :confused:

My computer works just fine as it is, with 5 screens and 3 of them in Nvidia Surround, and I have little desire to do a DDU session (Display Driver Uninstaller) just to set it all up again with an AMD-card - despite the obvious performance increase.

 

[Poppy]

Microsoft sued for discontinuing Windows 10 support

The plaintiff says that Microsoft's tactic of

www.courthousenews.com

 

[bluflaam777]

I'm quite bummed I missed the closure (at least locally) of the DDR4 party.

For sure can be hard to find those now. All the manufacturers are going to DDR5 because of AI.
GPUs are being used for it primarily (not always) but the overflow from there uses the CPU/RAM.
It's going to get harder and harder to find anything that isn't AI compatible.

NPU are the next big thing and are already being used. Even in the business environment. Intel and MS have been working together for years to develop the technology to use AI and move it forward in multiple markets. Business, gaming, consumer, education, arts etc.

I haven't been paying attention until just recently.

@Poppy it's because of the use of AI. Lawsuit or not, its what's the future holds. There's going to be a very real minute when anything NOT using it won't be useful at all. Except as a museum piece or novelty rig to run legacy games.

 

[orbital]

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AI has been great for markets / peoples 401K / helping companies become more efficient
.... but I don't want it in my computer 'helping me' regardless of how fast or slow my system is.
I don't want things running on my system unless I ask it to, period.

Is some form of it running in my Win 11 right now?, certainly. Nearly impossible to turn off 'certain' Processes running in Win 11 and I take massive issue with that.
Will I ever use Copilot or anything else like it, NO

AI is far more military grade spyware spitting out conclusions cleverly packaged as some miraculous 'helper' than anything else.

If that limits my computer usage down the road, then so be it.

 

[orbital]

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just 24hrs ago I picked up the last part of my desktop build
it's PCI gen4 , DDR4 setup.

why build one generation older, well I have the other parts which picked up on super sale prices over time
and I'm fine with that.
That little button in the far upper left corner is to flash a new Bios even as a bare board,, very handy for different Ryzen cpus' if needed

btw; My Lenovo laptop is actually a DDR5 system w/ 3070Ti gpu
(got it for $1100 factory sealed)

 

[bluflaam777]

The last PC I built for myself before this one, lasted 10yrs and was still working. It just wouldn't run 'the latest and greatest' whatever. At the time, AI was just a twinkle in their eye. So, it wasn't an issue to weigh the difference of upgrading or completely starting over ground-up with the latest tech.

But for the last few years, invidia, intel, MS have been working together toward AI. The others have also, but not so tightly.
It's not like I haven't noticed. But other than being annoyed, I didn't give it much thought.
Even internet providers are using google's fiber network. You can't run very far without running into AI.
(I used to keep an old CD copy of windows98 just to start a build. It all the tools needed and let you be in control of every step. But MS eventually made it so that I could no longer use it to format drives etc.)
I don't remember when that was. I think windows 7.

I'm with you @orbital. I'd rather be in control of the tools I use or at least know what and how those tools are working on their own and be able to turn them off at least.

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However, atm, AI is just the next step in data farming. We've been doing this since 19,000BC Ishango bone
I don't have issue with data collection. I do it, we all do. We need good and timely information to make smart decisions. When I do it, its for the benefit of me and ppl I care about and/or am accountable to/for.

I only have issue with ppl using said data to make decisions that aren't smart, or can even be harmful. Greed is often the culprit. But even when scientists/engineers do it for noble purposes, they can make mistakes that harm us ...even kill us.
Nukes. Viruses. Chemicals. etc.

It's not different with digital data. It can be dangerous, costly. They don't love us, don't even see us as ppl. We're 1s and 0s that they math together to get $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
If they also, at the very least, used the info to cure cancer and heal addictions and fix global hunger and wars and the general stupidity of humanity, then it would soften the sting of them taking my info and making money off of it.

 

[bluflaam777]

Larry Tesler
A guy I never heard of that has changed everyone's lives for the better. I just watched a video of the coolest guys of all time and he was on the list.
We are all using his innovations and will be for years to come.
Tesler established the idea that computer interfaces should be modeless, where all actions are available to a user at all times. This general philosophy was pushed by him thru'out his career.
He coined the term "User friendly". He thought that computers shouldn't be so 'unfriendly' to use. So, he changed that.

He was even at a lab that was working on AI technology in the late 60s. But he left that project saying that AI wasn't going to be used in the near future. Basically that it was for a later time. So, he went to xerox PARC, apple, Stanford, Amazon and others. To make the technology that was being used at that moment and would be in the near future much more user friendly and efficient and stable.

He was working at xerox when they created first GUI. He showed his version of it to Steve Jobs in the late 70s right after Steve started Apple. Steve was so impressed that he went back and started his own version of it for Apple.

He's done so much. Give him a deep dive. It's worth the time. I found him and his work very interesting.

 

[dc38]

Larry Tesler
A guy I never heard of that has changed everyone's lives for the better. I just watched a video of the coolest guys of all time and he was on the list.
We are all using his innovations and will be for years to come.
Tesler established the idea that computer interfaces should be modeless, where all actions are available to a user at all times. This general philosophy was pushed by him thru'out his career.
He coined the term "User friendly". He thought that computers shouldn't be so 'unfriendly' to use. So, he changed that.

He was even at a lab that was working on AI technology in the late 60s. But he left that project saying that AI wasn't going to be used in the near future. Basically that it was for a later time. So, he went to xerox PARC, apple, Stanford, Amazon and others. To make the technology that was being used at that moment and would be in the near future much more user friendly and efficient and stable.

He was working at xerox when they created first GUI. He showed his version of it to Steve Jobs in the late 70s right after Steve started Apple. Steve was so impressed that he went back and started his own version of it for Apple.

He's done so much. Give him a deep dive. It's worth the time. I found him and his work very interesting.

People often ignore the "support characters". Then they wonder why things go downhill when they fire or lose those foundational pillars...Larry sounds like another American hero.