Man charged with felony assault for shining flashlight at officer

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I guess I can't comment on what it is like where you are, I can only comment on my own community. I listen to the local and county LE frequencies where I live, and I have met several of the local officers different times. At one time, the BSA troop that my family was involved with had a local LEO as the scoutmaster, and some ex-LEOs were asst. scoutmasters. They were good people. But this is in a smaller town, not a Metro area. If you live in a big metro area, like Atlanta, or any of the big cities, I advise you to get out, now. Move out into the small towns, far away from those big metros. Get to know the locals. If it isn't for you, then move on. This is a big nation, there are a lot of options available.

I've lived here my entire life. I've owned my own place for 14 years now. I've been working since I was 15. It was a small town, but it has changed a lot over my lifetime. I've worked my entire life and I'm still treated like crap because I'm not working enough paying enough for some rich guys new $90,000 truck with a lift kit. I'm tired of it. But you know the line, or I should say THE BIG LIE.. everyone who isn't working like a slave to pay some other guy's bills "just doesn't want to work anymore". Who the hell just wants to "get by" their entire life. There has to be a reward somewhere. I have definitely been considering moving the past several months. This is just a place of vultures and I'm more and more disgusted by it everyday. I'm surprised anyone has the balls to even say that line about nobody wanting to work anymore.
 
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I've lived here my entire life. I've owned my own place for 14 years now. It was a small town, but it has changed a lot over my lifetime. I've worked my entire life and I'm still treated like crap because I'm not working enough paying enough for some rich guys new $90,000 truck with a lift kit. I'm tired of it. But you know the line, or I should say THE BIG LIE.. everyone who isn't working like a slave to pay some other guy's bills "just doesn't want to work anymore". Who the hell just wants to "get by" their entire life. There has to be a reward somewhere. I have definitely been considering moving the past several months. This is just a place of vultures and I'm more and more disgusted by it everyday. I'm surprised anyone has the balls to even say that line about nobody wanting to work anymore.
I feel ya. I have a flock of vultures here that got voted and appointed into power, and they are up to all kinds of shenanigans. I may be moving too.
 

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They are generally some of the worst ones. Politics absolutely disgusts me these days. Because I have an I.Q. over 80 I think.

You have to be really borderline dumbass to actually give a crap about rich guys running for office and what they do.

They are some of the real scary people out there because they took a lot of people's money..

and now they're not satisfied until they can tell YOU WHAT TO DO.
 

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So LEO's light people up all the time and I'm sure they don't consider that they are assaulting the people they are illuminating so how can it be an assault when a member of the public lights up a cop?

The answer is that it isn't, unfortunately there was an Ego involved in the altercation, which is what led to the arrest.

The charges were dropped because there was no evidence to support them and I'm sure that the complainant will seek compensation for the inconvenience of being wrongly arrested.

Hopefully the officer involved will face a disciplinary investigation with a suitable outcome.
 

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Not to stir the pot, but:
Oliver Anthony - Rich Men North of Richmond

For the record, I'm not anti-government or -LEO etc., but sometimes you gotta vent on how it feels to be the underdog.
The key, I think, is to be able to keep that within reasonable bounds, and be able to let it go, drop the blues and get back into what really matters - love your God, your family, and your neighbour. Live life well and don't get polluted by bitterness.
 

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I just don't see how or why anyone would want to do the job. I'm glad there are people that will do it, but the burnout rate must be extremely high.
One word-pensions. NYPD is 20 years and out. The pensions average over $80K annually. If you start at the minimum age of 21, you'll be collecting a pension at 41. So yes, it's a lot of BS to put up with, but if you don't get killed on the job, you can get out young and never need to work again.

Without the pensions, sure, I doubt there would be any takers.

I don't know what the answer to all this is, if I did, I'd either be the most popular person in the country, or the most despised person in the country, I suppose. I do know one thing, people need God, really bad, in this nation. The nation has drifted away from God, and it has resulted in more and more misery. I don't mean to preach, I'm far from a saint, but I can see that kids without parents grow up to generally be a problem. We need to restore the nuclear family, and traditional values in this nation, or we are going down the tubes, and end up in the dust bin of history, along with so many other failed nations. I don't want that for my children and grandchildren. I don't want it for yours, either.
I could probably write pages on this subject, but the short version is that I think the demise of the extended family, not just the nuclear family, is the cause of a lot of our problems. At one time it was the norm to have three, even four, generations under one roof. That solved a whole host of problems. Chores and expenses for the household were shared. There were people to supervise the children even when the parents were out. If a person fell ill others could take up the slack. There was emotional support. There was far less need for old age homes.

That all went out post WWII. If people didn't leave home by 18, or 22 at latest if they went to college, they were tagged as losers. Grandparents started living by themselves, instead of with one of their children. The predictable effect of lots of people living alone, with little emotional support, is an increase in mental illness. Many types of crime can be traced to mental illness. Add to that the fact relocating for a job was pretty common. So now you're not only living alone, but you're in a strange new place, and the people you had for emotional support could be hundreds, even thousands, of miles away. And the increased demand for housing drove prices through the roof. Then you have divorces and single parents. They may mean well, but there's only so much one parent can do.

Look at the groups which experience lower rates of criminality among their members. A common theme is that they often still live under extended family arrangements.

I'm not religious, or big on religion. History is rife with examples of religion causing as much harm as good, so I won't blame the increasing lack of religious belief for our problems. Indeed, if the only thing keeping a person inline is fear of going to some kind of hell, then that person never internalized things like empathy or morality. Fear isn't a way to run a society.

Fortunately, we are on the cusp of having many military soldiers replaced by robots. That will keep the military industrial complex busy for awhile, making soldier-bots. The race for the best AI will determine who wins the cyber wars. Life is going to be very, very interesting soon.
The bots will be doing cop's jobs also. And it's probably for the better. They'll enforce the laws, not make up their own, or take out their frustration on whoever they arrest. The only downside I see with leaving law enforcement to robots is that you can potentially have 100% enforcement of even the most petty laws, like jaywalking. Any cop worth their salt turns a blind eye to wasting time on stuff like that, unless the person jaywalking causes vehicles to slam on their brakes. I would imagine though once enough of this happened, people would push to simply get these petty laws taken off the books.
 
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You know there is a religion that believes in G-d and respects Christians and Jewish people. They tend to enforce religious laws which as good enough really and actually do things to problematic peoples. Like if you catch a thief and cut off his hand he probably won't reoffend and people are less likely to steal if their are real consequences.
No thanks. I have zero desire to live under a theocracy, whether it's Christian, Muslim, or some other faith.

Lack of parenting is generally the cause of criminality, although there are kids with great parents who still turn out bad.
 

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I think the reason threads like this rouse us is that these sorts of incidents remind us of what a broken lot we humans are. We need to help one another, not break down each other or the systems we have created to help mitigate this sort of thing.
My money is on ET saving us from ourselves. Lately we've been hearing a lot of noise about UFOs, aliens among us, and so forth. I wonder if government is preparing people for the big reveal soon. It might be the aliens gave us the ultimatum. Either you fix the mess you're making, or we take over and fix it for you. Couldn't come soon enough if you ask me. I'm surprised they let it get this bad.
 

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One word-pensions. NYPD is 20 years and out. The pensions average over $80K annually. If you start at the minimum age of 21, you'll be collecting a pension at 41. So yes, it's a lot of BS to put up with, but if you don't get killed on the job, you can get out young and never need to work again.

Without the pensions, sure, I doubt there would be any takers.
predictable effect of lots of people living alone, with little emotional support, is an increase in mental illness. Many types of crime can be traced to mental illness.





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Yup. At the current rate most people will be working into their 90's if they live that long. Governor Burgum who was one of the 8 up on the stage at the debate the other night has prided himself with taking away all of the defined benefits pensions in this State. Even though we have BILLIONS of dollars surplus in the general ledger. His attitude has always been, "I got mine, so screw you." And I don't think he ever saw an authoritarian law he didn't like. They're just scum who want it all for themselves and nothing for you. And then to tell you how to live your life on top of it. I don't think most people under the age of 55 or so are happy about paying for boomers endless retirements either, since they know they're not gonna get the same thing. Looking back I should have joined the army full time when I was 17/18. I'd be either dead or living the vacation life everyday.
 

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Another example of a man in uniform under too much stress, and snapping:


Good thing it was on the ground, in a parking lot, and not in a passenger plane at altitude.

Our mental health non-system needs fixed. Too many people are not getting the care they need. Both government and industry/business need to step up and screen their employees. I know DHS has educational material to help spot stressed coworkers, but I wonder how many Americans really get that training, and implement it.
 

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Law enforcement is not immune from the general moral decay of our society.

Regarding the OP, the citizen should have called the police and reported a suspicious vehicle.
At the farm, our dobermans used to go for a run each morning, making the rounds of other people's property. Neighbors said they were welcome because they were remarkably well behaved. They behaved because they were socialized, which meant they had learned confidence and human morals. Walking a dog on a leash with a choke chain is a good way to socialize a dog. A leash gives a dog confidence and lets the owner get its attention with a tug. (The choke chain was invented to distribute pressure, not to choke.)

When I was 3, I had to attend nursery school. I hated it. It was 15 kids in a room together, each in solitary confinement. Normally, kids eagerly make friends, but the presence of the guard (not the same young woman every day) intimidated us from speaking. If you can't speak, you can't make friends. Nobody even knew anybody's name.

One morning I hit a boy on the side of the head with a block. He cried. At the other end of the room (away from the kids), the guard looked up, looked at a list, shouted my name in a condemning tone, and returned to what she was doing. That was the only time I heard anyone's name spoken, and she'd mispronounced it.

That's the only time in my life I remember hitting anyone. He stopped crying immediately, as I'd expected. I hadn't been angry. Without a word to me, someone I didn't know was moving in and taking some of the few blocks I was using. Neither of us was socialized. Like an unsocialized dog, I handled the threatening situation as best I could.

In the neighborhood where I lived until I was 9, there were only nine times when anyone spoke to me. The couple next door, old enough to be my grandparents, were the exception. They would say hello in passing. I felt like Casper the Ghost, with everybody pretending I was invisible. Boys seemed to be kept socially isolated, while all the girls in the neighborhood ran around as a gang.

It goes back to Catharine Beecher from Litchfield, CT, born in 1800. From 10 to 15, she attended a girls' school. This qualified her to teach at her own girls' school in her 20s. Later, when public education became mandatory, teachers were almost all male. She said all the jobs should be given to women as affirmative action. She said teaching was child care, and women were naturally better. She said men were no good at instilling character.

Women are better at caring for children up to 2, but that's a master-slave relationship. The "Father Knows Best" TV series showed how the understanding of fathers can be important as kids grow. Jane Wyman was threatened by change from established roles, while Robert Young could see the need to evolve.

As for instilling character, Adolph Hitler announced his intention to retire when he got out of prison in 1923. Meanwhile, fascists in Germany and Italy had discovered the power of the nazi salute. Hitler was slow to catch on. He's hold his hand vertically beside his ear and say, "Hi!"

Hitler's voter base were women, and that salute turned their children into ardent fascists. German fascists claimed the salute was historically German, and Italian faschists claimed it was Italian. No precedent has been found. They were copying America, where from 1892 to 1942, American children were ordered to render that salute as they pledged allegiance to the flag each morning.

With the special salute, the pledge sold tens of thousands of flags for classrooms. The writer didn't name a country because he hoped to repeat his marketing success in other countries. That didn't work out. No other country had turned elementary education over to women, and no other country was so tyrannical as to make children pledge allegiance. Was that the character building Beecher had in mind?

Female teachers tended to prefer girls. The mothers in my neighborhood, having gone through such schools, apparently felt that boys should be ostracized as bad influences, and the fathers and children went along with it.

Kindergarten was worse than nursery: sit still and shut up. First grade was a whole new experience. We'd arrive early and choose sides to play while we waited outside. Two boys assumed leadership because they supported each other. They made a third boy a leader because they disliked him. They'd choose up sides. I was always the last one chosen.

I knew why they didn't like me. They were looking for followers, and I was treacherous. All the boys who weren't leaders would start switching to my side. As the other side dwindled, I'd have to switch sides to keep the game going. Making friends can be different from being a self-appointed leader.

It was before school that I got socialized. Without the intimidating presence of teachers, kids could interact candidly and make friends. Unfortunately, schools were becoming increasingly centralized to provide mor administrative positions. Kids who couldn't walk to schoiol probably didn't get a chance to socialize. A few years ago I read about a local high-school girl who got into trouble because came to school in a coat she wore at work, and in the pocket was a box cutter she used at work. Punishing a girl for possession of a box cutter is like ruling that all dogs must have their teeth pulled. From second through twelfth grade, I carried a knife as sharp as I could get it. I don't know and didn't care how many others had blades. They were tools. We wouldn't have dreamed of harming or threatening anyone because we were socialized.

Facebook use is associated with mass murders. It's bad for mental health. It's like school. You can't say anything to anybody without putting on a show for critics. Naturally, this produces anxiety.

In January of 1976, when I was 28, I began getting accused of one thing after another. Some cops were clearly embarrassed. I'd never had a cop accuse me of anything before. Something had changed. Boomers who had never been socialized were moving into management in law enforcement, the news media, and other areas.

Some have called me the community watch because I like to walk around the area at all hours. If I turned on a light, I'd shine it at the pavement so identification could be mutual. If the guy who was arrested was shining his light into a car, it sounds as if he was pretending he owned the street. That attitude is common if you're not socialized.
 

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Damn... that is a lot to unpack samoset, social skills have been historically important from our earliest group (tribe) interactions as survival depended apon it, however there will always be those that prefer their own company to that of others for whatever reason despite any attempts or opportunity of socialisation.

I got the vibe that the interaction boiled down to "flex" or ego and wouldn't discredit a murmured taunt (unable to be heard on video) preceding the flashlight-in-face response, that in no way absolves individuals of the requirement to behave respectfully.

Citizens keeping an eye on their neighbourhoods for unusual activity is important as crime prevention is a shared responsibility, deferring the responsibility for your personal safety onto a Government agency is unacceptable and foolish IMHO 😉
 
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I got treated badly in school by female teachers. Not all were bad tho and a few I still talk to. I think they need oversight for teachers to make sure they are of good moral character and competent to teach people.

Like if someone isn't paying attention and you treat them badly and yell at them it probably won't encourage them to learn. I had this maths teacher and she hated that I did more work in science and ignored her class. She said it was important too. She was correct but failed to get the point across.
 

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Damn... that is a lot to unpack samoset, social skills have been historically important from our earliest group (tribe) interactions as survival depended apon it, however there will always be those that prefer their own company to that of others for whatever reason despite any attempts or opportunity of socialisation.
From my own experience going through the school system, teachers sadly are ill-equipped at dealing with introverts (I count myself as one). They mistake not wanting to have friends up your behind all the time as a psychological problem. One thing I really resented was when teachers tried to force friendships on me, usually by putting me together with some misfit I never would have picked as a potential friend. I suspect I might have have eventually developed more friendships sooner if stuff like that didn't leave a bad taste in my mouth about the entire thing. Also, to this day the whole feast or famine thing about friendships still really annoys me. I figured adults grow out of that stuff but I've had adults whom I tried to be friendly with end up trying to eat up every minute of my spare time. One of them was a former CPF member. Almost every f-ing day he would call and expect me to stay on the phone with him for 3 hours. That was in addition to sending me dozens of emails a day, then complaining if I didn't respond to each and every one within 24 hours. I like people in small doses. That means very occasional get togethers, phone calls only when really needed, not on some kind of schedule, and respect for my space.
 

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Is this a flashlight forum or a group therapy session?

This thread started out about a news story about a man arrested for flashing a LEO in the face with a flashlight, and suddenly turned into a "pity me I had a crappy childhood" thread. I think this thread is done.
 

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Is this a flashlight forum or a group therapy session?

This thread started out about a news story about a man arrested for flashing a LEO in the face with a flashlight, and suddenly turned into a "pity me I had a crappy childhood" thread. I think this thread is done.
A lot of bad adult behavior is a direct result of crappy childhoods. Considering this thread is about a badly behaving LEO we're not completely into left field. There's also the general lack of mental health care in this country, which you mentioned yourself in post #52.
 

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A lot of bad adult behavior is a direct result of crappy childhoods. Considering this thread is about a badly behaving LEO we're not completely into left field. There's also the general lack of mental health care in this country, which you mentioned yourself in post #52.
The focus changed from the LEO to members, OT. If you need therapy, get a shrink, bartender or an AA buddy. This isn't the proper place to be spilling your guts.
 

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I had a crappy childhood as a flashaholic because I went to Hills and picked out a set with a plastic AA flashlight and a knockoff Swiss Army style knife and when I finally got it as a gift for the holidays it didn't even work. It was missing the spring and copper metal piece to make a connection. It had a gold oval sticker that said made in China on it. Furthermore when I borrowed the missing piece out of the light my dad had, he got a set too, I was told to put it back your's doesn't work. Meanwhile that MiniMaglite I thought was made in Canada since there could only be one Ontario worked like a champ. I blame that for my bias on lights. If someone will pay for a therapy session I'll moan about Streamlight, Surefire, and Coast.
 

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maybe something has to do with childhood, but mainly ,imo, if you put a certain kind of people in a position of power, they will abuse it to the very limit of possibilities, and having every cop and union defend them for everything they do only empowers abuse, it is not people's issue as much as it is a systematic issue, the system is rotten and corrupt, it will turn d bags even out of decent person over time. i guarantee, if you remove bench trials options for cops, jury trials only, and start paying settlements from union pension funds, things will change overnight, chinise police shoot handful of people a year in a country of 1,5 billion, our cops shoot over 1000 every year, and we are only 330+ mil.
Totally agree on all that. It's not called the blue wall of silence for nothing. And the problem has been getting worse. My late father, who was a LEO (sergeant, NYC HRA Police) even went so far as to call the new crop of cops a bunch of jerks. I remember when he had to do arrests, he handled it quietly, without trying to publicly humiliate the person he was arresting. He always gave them a few warnings first, stuff like "keep it up, and you're going to jail". The smart ones stopped. The stupid ones ended up getting arrested.

I didn't know about those statistics regarding Chinese police. Amazing especially considering we're talking a highly authoritarian country where if anything the police could get away more easily abusing power. Evidently whatever system they're using actively frowns upon that type of behavior.
As far as mental health, it seems to me that in many cases criminal behavior and cultural norms are mistaken, or in many cases intentionally misinterpreted for mental issues, same way schools believe if you do not want to have many friends you have mental issues,
Yep. I really think we as a nation are ill-equipped to handle both introverts and people much above average intelligence.
 
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