No. How hot was it?
Iraqveteran8888 did a mag dump test until a S&W M&P 15 Sport II melted down and caught on fire. Cool video.+
Full habanero!
for xx(*(&%X !@ sake, do you know how hot that barrel got in that short of time, bit crazy
There's a difference between a gun-owner who purchased for home defense or CCW purposes being lazy vs. those who will actively seek out training. Lazy is across the board. Those individuals simply aren't going to be lazy in seeking out schools that teach defensive use of a firearm.... But then somehow be very active in fully participating in Shooting Spots events/Competitions? The lazy gun-owners are fully committed to being lazy. Again, the ones I have to help to "unlearn" certain skills are the ones who are very active! They were very active when they participated in Shooting Sports. And, they're the ones most active in participating in defensive use of a firearm.....If it is a given that they just won't seek defensive training, then I think we could conclude they would benefit from training that gets them moving, handling the gun from the holster, under pressure from time constraint etc. I know it depends a lot on what sort of competition, who is putting it on and what level of effort is put into "winning the game". But one good aspect of competitive shooting is it tends to get people out and practicing more, even if the events themselves become the practice. When most people "take a class", they may progress to another level or two, but they tend to consider themselves trained and go long periods without using the skills they learned.
Where to begin? Following mistakes....Speaking of "muscle memory", I'd like to throw out a scary story from a concealed carry citizen and hear your take on it first:
Our guy drops his GF for a quick errand and waits in the car, not relocking it when she leaves (root problem). A dirt bag, we'll call him DB opens the passenger door and drops in the seat with a handgun pointed at our guy. Our guy manages to unholster his Glock 20 from his hip and points it at DB. This is obviously a SHOOT scenario. Neither one shoots, and DB panics and gets out and is gone. Our guy is obviously amped up, but baffled as to why his gun did not discharge as he thought he was pressing hard enough to almost break his trigger finger. The problem? He instinctively drew his gun with his trigger finger extended along the frame of the pistol, and never moved it inside the trigger guard.
I will share my thoughts a little later.
Thanks for sharing!Iraqveteran8888 did a mag dump test until a S&W M&P 15 Sport II melted down and caught on fire. Cool video.
If you want to make a specific point, I'll be happy to consider it and reply. Right now, no clue what you're on about.We really need a way to differentiate actions and decisions made by dumb people from not-so-dumb people.
And then look at the analyses of correct decisions made by not-so-dumb-but-not-defensive-school-trained people versus "defensive school" trained folks.
+...Everyone knows that when it comes to AR's, 10 = 1 and 1 = none, so you need to own at least 20
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What are your calibers, if I may ask.
Was actually looking at a 6.8 recently, then dropped the idea
+I'm assuming you dropped the .277 and moved to a suppressed 8.6 Blackout, which is the correct thing to do.
Seriously though, all the AR spin-offs are based on achieving ballistic-specific goals.
Saw your self-deleted comment. Now the issue is clear. For some odd reason, you seem to believe I was saying that defensive shooting schools are just better than Sports Shooting competitions when compared side-by-side. And, clearly THAT ticked you off. Thing is, I never said that.I'm....
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The 6.8 SPC ammo is just too expensive, period.
.. for that general size & energy, rather have an AK
Same as you got ticked off at me. See the issue? Yes, both are vehicles, both have four tires, both have engines, etc.
That last part is unfortunate. Hopefully various forum members can share their Life experiences together, learn, and grow. Just wanted to clear up an unfortunate misunderstanding. Seems I achieved that goal. Thank you for letting me know you are not personally upset with me. I do genuinely appreciate that.I'm definitely not ticked off. I'm glad you offer a service to folks seeking out your services.
Wish I lived closer b\c I'd take your course just to see what it was about.
I'm certainly not mad...we have our own biasness and beliefs, and neither will change from forum interaction.
This! This is gold, now you are changing my mind. Yes, lazy is lazy, and if we have the motivation to participate in competitive sports, we've got what it takes to seek out and take advantage of defensive specific training. The unfortunate part is, if we also want to compete, that activity is in competition with the muscle memory we want to ingrain for real world situations, which leads into my scenario below.There's a difference between a gun-owner who purchased for home defense or CCW purposes being lazy vs. those who will actively seek out training. Lazy is across the board. Those individuals simply aren't going to be lazy in seeking out schools that teach defensive use of a firearm.... But then somehow be very active in fully participating in Shooting Spots events/Competitions? The lazy gun-owners are fully committed to being lazy. Again, the ones I have to help to "unlearn" certain skills are the ones who are very active! They were very active when they participated in Shooting Sports. And, they're the ones most active in participating in defensive use of a firearm.
Where to begin? Following mistakes....
One, should have re-locked the doors.
Two, he was clearly in Condition White. (Had he been in Condition Yellow, he would have seen the scumbag approaching his car, and been ready in case he tried anything.)
Three, he immediately reached for his weapon while the scumbag already had his out. (9 times out of 10, great way to get killed while sitting in your car. Dude got lucky! Plain and simple. Clearly the perp. wanted to rob him, not kill him. This goes back to the equation I posted above T.=D.=T.)
Four, horrendously horrible training habits! It takes approximately 5,000 repetitions minimum to develop muscle memory. So just imagine how often he was practicing drawing from a holster, pointing his index finger along the gun's frame, but never actually touching the trigger. Not pulling it immediately. But just touching it to determine if the situation is one where it needed to be pulled or not.
Now, it's going to take a minimum of 15,000 repetitions for his body to re-learn the proper way to present a pistol against a potential threat.
Aw, but it was a ton of fun watching him after he trenched the hood of his truck using it for a rest for his rifle!
I saw the second, never saw Sootch trench the hood. Can you post the link to the vid? I would actually watch that Sootch video, or at least the hood damage part.Aw, but it was a ton of fun watching him after he trenched the hood of his truck using it for a rest for his rifle!
Second IMHO to the "I effing shot myself!" dude.
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What are your calibers, if I may ask.
Was actually looking at a 6.8 recently, then dropped the idea
This one is from another creator, so just the part you want with none of the other fluff:I saw the second, never saw Sootch trench the hood. Can you post the link to the vid? I would actually watch that Sootch video, or at least the hood damage part.