Emisar D4S

[Newlumen]

!! Didn't know the aux leds are programable! Thank you for info

I don't see why not..

 

[Newlumen]

Regarding the ramp vs. step, I like them both. While I thought I would like the step better on paper, the smooth ramping seems quicker to me. You can stop when you feel like it, instead of having to wait, then possibly decide you in fact wanted the previous mode.

The only small quibble I have is the lanyard attachment; it's crazy sharp! And the flicker when ramping...that's pretty annoying.

I'll probably be ordering a spare non-magnetic cap as well. Mountain Electronics will have them soon. Intl Outdoors has them, but I'll wait for now.

I like stepped ramping mode because I know I will not pass over 2000 lumen unless I double click for the turbo.. so it is a great feature..

 

[idleprocess]

HOT POTATO! Uncomfortably hot to hold after 27 seconds! Still loving it...can't wait to get out tonight and give it a real go.

On my D4s I don't think I've engaged turbo long enough to hit that point. I see them as sub-kilolumen lights most of the time with the occasional ability to burst to ~4k lumens.

Looking forward to your observations.

Many people are interested in this and really all the Emisar offerings. For me, the D4 handles my needs, and the D4S is greater but maybe not so great to retire the D4.

I see the D4S possibly shuffling my D1 and D1S into even less use given that I have little need for throw.

 

[markr6]

I like stepped ramping mode because I know I will not pass over 2000 lumen unless I double click for the turbo.. so it is a great feature..

OK, I'm starting to like the stepped more now that I've used it more. But, and a BIG BUT, is the moonlight mode (or lowest mode). In stepped config, it's a lot brighter than in ramp config. I see you can customize the ramping, but not step.

 

[JoeRodge]

Which options are going to be about 4,000 lumens? Which is the brightest option?

 

[ven]

iirc its only the 219c that is limited to around 3000lm

Max brightness and throw would be the xpl HI flavours, 6500k would appear brightest i would imagine. However, the 5000k would get my vote as max is short lived regardless, might as well enjoy what your seeing on lower modes which will see more use.

Congrats Mark

 

[Newlumen]

Which options are going to be about 4,000 lumens? Which is the brightest option?

I will say xpl hi 6500k will be the brightest...
xpl hi 5000k.. 4800-5000 lumen
xpl hi 4000k. 3800 lumen.
219c 2930 lumen

 

[markr6]

iirc its only the 219c that is limited to around 3000lm

Max brightness and throw would be the xpl HI flavours, 6500k would appear brightest i would imagine. However, the 5000k would get my vote as max is short lived regardless, might as well enjoy what your seeing on lower modes which will see more use.

Congrats Mark

Thanks! I totally agree with max being short lived. No surprise obviously. It's fun, it can be useful for a few seconds when you really need it, but the amount of heat and drain on the battery is staggering. 4.22v to 3.9v in a blink of an eye just playing around! This thing is too good to be true. I'l picking up a 5000K XPL now!

 

[Eric242]

I sold my D4s two days after receiving it even though I was really looking forward to it. Ultimately the dimensions were too big (looking at pictures sometimes doesn´t help with that) and the aux LEDs were too low on low and too high on high for my taste. Should the D4 become available with aux LEDs (maybe 4 or 8 then)..... I´d sure buy one.

Eric

 

[ven]

Thanks! I totally agree with max being short lived. No surprise obviously. It's fun, it can be useful for a few seconds when you really need it, but the amount of heat and drain on the battery is staggering. 4.22v to 3.9v in a blink of an eye just playing around! This thing is too good to be true. I'l picking up a 5000K XPL now!

Here comes the danger, now when you read about not getting your 1st being a problem, its where to stop after! These(D4 and D1 included) are awesome little excellent value lights. Crazy high...............we are use to that, no harm and if anything, can be of use from time to time. Its also FUN, which for me is also an important part with flashlights. We have work tools, headlamps what get the job done. But we also need to have fun, 4000+lm from a small light= FUN.............even if its just 20-30 seconds. Speaking of which, its not often we actually(well me personally anyway) much longer for scanning or lighting up an area. 30s is quite a bit of time putting light out. Being 26650 has several benefits, personally i find that size fits in hand more comfortable than 18650 form. Then less V sag from the high drain 26650 cell, also 4000-5500(ish) mah from one single cell. No swapping out 2 cells, or side by side with + to head one side, - to head other(no fun in the dark when needing light quick!). So kind of the benefit of 2x 18650 in mah, nicer in hand form(subjective) with the single 26650 body...............little better heat dissipation over its sister D4.

I would hazard a guess at 700+ lumens continuous, which is a lot of light for an hour or more.................

I also like the lock out/in regulated set level of 400lm as well, super useful for most applications without having to adjust to.

 

[Connor]

OK, I'm starting to like the stepped more now that I've used it more. But, and a BIG BUT, is the moonlight mode (or lowest mode). In stepped config, it's a lot brighter than in ramp config. I see you can customize the ramping, but not step.

Yes, you can.
Not only can you configure ramp "floor" and "ceiling" but also the number of steps.

See: http://toykeeper.net/torches/emisar-d4s/rampingiosv3-ui.png

 

[markr6]

Yes, you can.
Not only can you configure ramp "floor" and "ceiling" but also the number of steps.

See: http://toykeeper.net/torches/emisar-d4s/rampingiosv3-ui.png

I studied that for a long time last night and couldn't figure it out. I saw "ramp cfg" and figured that was only for the smooth ramping. I was confusing "ramp" for "smooth". So ramping is either 'stepped' or 'smooth'. Just an oversight on my part.

I think I'll stuck with stepped mode now. I took it down to 5 steps from 7 to speed things up, and made the lowest mode "1" for a moonlight mode. What an insane UI!!! (in a good way )

 

[Connor]

Yes, you can configure both ramps independently from each other. I switched to stepped ramps, too (floor 1, ceiling 120, 7 steps).
It's just more predictable/easier to choose the "right" brightness.

BTW: I discovered that you also can start from high and ramp downwards by "double click and hold" (from off).

 

[markr6]

BTW: I discovered that you also can start from high ramp and downwards by "double click and hold" (from off).

Yeah I like that! I may be missing something again, but double click (not hold) from off in smooth goes to turbo. Double click in stepped from off goes to the ceiling.

 

[Connor]

Double click from off always goes to the configured ceiling. Double click when on goes to turbo.

My D4s came configured with smooth ceiling set to 150 (=same as turbo), stepped ceiling 120.

 

[markr6]

Double click from off always goes to the configured ceiling. Double click when on goes to turbo.

My D4s came configured with smooth ceiling set to 150 (=same as turbo), stepped ceiling 120.

OK that makes sense. That's how mine is configured as well. I think I'll keep it so I'm less tempted to always double click into turbo, killing my battery so quick.

 

[Connor]

Yep, turbo on the D4s is for those special occasions when you want to impress - or start a fire. ;-)

 

[markr6]

I'm out of town for the weekend and brought my Zebralight SC600w IV HI and D4S. I was surprised to see the CCT and tints were very close. I don't think this 219C is anywhere near 5000k. The CRI isn't so important to me, and the SC600 actually seems more accurate/rich to my eyes.

My EC4SW with MTG2 is a solid 5000k. Much cooler than the 5000k 219C.

Just an observation; all the lights I mentioned are nice. Since I'm not seeing any real gains with the high CRI, i'll definitely be picking up a 5000k 3A version.

 

[ven]

Optics can change the "tint" so to speak, i have seen differences with the same LED, be it 219b or 219c flavours. In a reflector(this a variable depending on width/depth) and triple/quad optics. One of the most noticeable changes for me is the 219c 4000k which in optics appears a little too yellow, yet in a reflector, the yellow is very very slight.

MT-G2 is an awesome LED, shame more lights have not used it. For me age is not an issue with LED's, its about temp, tint and quality of(CRI a part to, but temp and tint 1st).

 

[markr6]

One small complaint about the UI. If you turn it on low by clicking and holding, then double click to turbo, when you double click to exit turbo it won't go back to low...instead it goes to the last memory mode. Unless if low was in fact the last mode. Same with turning it off; it may not turn back on in low.

p.s. the aux leds are still plenty bright at night even on the lowest setting. I had to turn the light bezel-down after waking up in the middle of the night!